Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Alex

No worries at all. All of that from memory too,..though I was out by a year or 
so in one of them, but looked it up. So remembered 2 of the years at least…hehe.

You can use either IMAP or POP into Apple Mail. Generally POP3 downloads it all 
from the “server” (ISP) to your computer, so you’re using less space.
IMAP, has the advantage of being in sync across multiple devices. But as you 
fill up space on the server (at your ISP or your host), then over time, you 
need to move emails to local folders.
Eg. I use IMAP across a laptop, and iMac an iPhone and iPad. Can send and 
receive from all 4 device (5 if I log into webmail to see all emails there). 
But all old emails I move off the server onto local folders in Apple Mail under 
the heading of “On my Mac”. So I can have 20+ years of emails stored in Apple 
Mail, but Inbox, Sent, Trash across all devices stores a lot less.
If you keep all the inbox in the server, eventually they advise you you’re 
running out of space and need to a) buy more space or clear out old emails.

You can set up .Mac/@me.com/@iCloud.com into Apple Mail as well. So they still 
can be a) read on devices/computers and b) accessed via webmail at iCloud.com. 
All of that stays in sync. If you’re on the free plan, then you can’t go above 
5GB storage. If you buy more iCloud storage,…then you can store more. And so on.
Again though, if you move emails off the Inbox (Stored in the hosting 
server,..eg apple’s iCloud) and save it to local folders in Apple Mail then it 
takes it off Apple servers (uses less space) and save it on Apple Mail online 
(ie on your computer and stored locally).
So using both methods is handy.

Eg, as mentioned I keep my Inbox and Sent in sync across all devices for a 
short period. Once I’ve dealt with things and don’t need it on all devices, 
then I move those onto local folders in Apple Mail “On My Mac”.
So my inbox may have say 10 emails in (that I’m following things up),..but 
under On My Mac on my laptop (my main machine) I have 22+ years of emails I can 
look back up.
(Which are backed up to multiple hard drives for multiple points of failure 
just incase).

That’s a sort of brief run down. It can get a bit more complicated,…but once 
set up and working correctly, it works well.
There’s a bit more detail about it all in that link I sent, so worth a read of 
it all.

Having MYOB in the cloud version on a computer, will work regardless of however 
you have your email. The two won’t really affect each other.


Highway1 for example, allow you to IMAP (through Zetta who own it now of 
course) - 
https://www.zetta.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/H1_email_iphone_ipad_setup_guide.pdf
So can be used on an iPhone, iPad, Apple Mail on a computer and via webmail.

Bit more info there without going into all the details and in and outs / good 
and bad points for each and how to work it efficiently.

Kind regards
Daniel
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> On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:25 pm, Alex via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess I’m
>   still bit confused?
> 
>   I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage”
>   its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a
>   browser?
> 
>   My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is
>   not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
>   migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change sometime
>   in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.
> 
>   Thanks, Alex
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
>   Hi Alex
>   Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part
>   of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
>   They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It
>   then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud
>   we’re used to now.
>   People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also
>   got them @iCloud.com.
>   But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
>   Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
>   wa...@icloud.com.
>   But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
>   And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com
>   address.
>   Confused? Hehe.
>   I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I
>   now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with
>   the same thing at the start of all three.
>   And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them
>   my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to
>   explain the 

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess I’m
   still bit confused?

   I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage”
   its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a
   browser?

   My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is
   not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
   migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change sometime
   in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.

   Thanks, Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex
   Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part
   of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
   They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It
   then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud
   we’re used to now.
   People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also
   got them @iCloud.com.
   But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
   Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
   wa...@icloud.com.
   But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
   And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com
   address.
   Confused? Hehe.
   I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I
   now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with
   the same thing at the start of all three.
   And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them
   my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to
   explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their
   iCloud.
   I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be
   around that long!
   H,..thanks! lol.
   But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free
   @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.
   RE Apple Mail.
   Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set
   up for all three.
   Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as
   default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
   Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange
   account into Apple mail.
   And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com
   account as well.
   So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
   My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the
   various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail
   accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1
   Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for people.
   But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.
   This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite
   well -
   https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/
   Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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 On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
 wrote:
  Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes
 (forgotten
  what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
  programme?
  Cheers,  Alex
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
   wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
 Daniel
  K’s
instructions).
I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
[1]bli...@mac.com
I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
 to
start charging.
I guess I have a year to change email address for various
accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
Cheers
Blitto
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
 wrote:
As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
service providers and that won’t change.
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
 with
  all
the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers
Marcus
Marcus 

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Alex

Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part of iTools 
(which is what it used to be called).
They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It then 
went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud we’re used to 
now.
People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also got them 
@iCloud.com. 
But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.

Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also 
wa...@icloud.com.
But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address. 
And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com address.

Confused? Hehe. 
I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I now 
have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with the same 
thing at the start of all three.
And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them my 
@Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to explain the 
above to them about how it all started and is now their iCloud.
I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be around 
that long! 
H,..thanks! lol.

But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free @gmail.com or 
@hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.

RE Apple Mail.
Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set up for 
all three.
Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as 
default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange account 
into Apple mail.
And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com account as 
well.

So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the various 
things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail accounts (which I 
only use for support and checking things) and 1 Microsoft Exchange account also 
used to support Exchange for people.
But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.

This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite well -
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/

Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

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w : 


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NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
>   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
>   programme?
> 
>   Cheers,  Alex
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone.
> I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
>   K’s
> instructions).
> I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
> [1]bli...@mac.com
> I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
> start charging.
> I guess I have a year to change email address for various
> accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
> Cheers
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
>  wrote:
> As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
> service providers and that won’t change.
> One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
> I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
>   all
> the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
>   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
>wrote:
>      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>   understand.
>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
>   outsourcing
>   the
>email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>   Westnet
>(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
>   case
>they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
>   Mail
>accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
>exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
>   making a
>change to a different email address would be a huge 

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
   programme?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you everyone.
 I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
   K’s
 instructions).
 I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
 [1]bli...@mac.com
 I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
 start charging.
 I guess I have a year to change email address for various
 accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
 Cheers
 Blitto
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
  wrote:
 As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
 service providers and that won’t change.
 One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
 I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
   all
 the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
 Cheers
 Marcus
 Marcus Harris
 Mobile +61417965618
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
wrote:
      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
   outsourcing
   the
email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet
(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
   case
they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
   Mail
accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
   making a
change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
   with
all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
   my
email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
   email
management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
   2,
they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
   day
1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
   or
there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
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To:
  "WAMUG" 
Cc:
  "Rod Blitvich" 
Sent:
  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
Subject:
  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
  Hi Folks
  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
   my
  primary address?
  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
  I have the following email addresses:
  rb...@iinet.net.au
  bli...@mac.com
  bli...@icloud.com
  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
  Thank you
  Rod Blitvich
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