Thanks again, Daniel. Very helpful & educational, Cheers, Alex
On 9 Nov 2023, at 11:07 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: Hi Alex No worries at all. All of that from memory too,..though I was out by a year or so in one of them, but looked it up. So remembered 2 of the years at least…hehe. You can use either IMAP or POP into Apple Mail. Generally POP3 downloads it all from the “server” (ISP) to your computer, so you’re using less space. IMAP, has the advantage of being in sync across multiple devices. But as you fill up space on the server (at your ISP or your host), then over time, you need to move emails to local folders. Eg. I use IMAP across a laptop, and iMac an iPhone and iPad. Can send and receive from all 4 device (5 if I log into webmail to see all emails there). But all old emails I move off the server onto local folders in Apple Mail under the heading of “On my Mac”. So I can have 20+ years of emails stored in Apple Mail, but Inbox, Sent, Trash across all devices stores a lot less. If you keep all the inbox in the server, eventually they advise you you’re running out of space and need to a) buy more space or clear out old emails. You can set up .Mac/@me.com/@iCloud.com into Apple Mail as well. So they still can be a) read on devices/computers and b) accessed via webmail at iCloud.com. All of that stays in sync. If you’re on the free plan, then you can’t go above 5GB storage. If you buy more iCloud storage,…then you can store more. And so on. Again though, if you move emails off the Inbox (Stored in the hosting server,..eg apple’s iCloud) and save it to local folders in Apple Mail then it takes it off Apple servers (uses less space) and save it on Apple Mail online (ie on your computer and stored locally). So using both methods is handy. Eg, as mentioned I keep my Inbox and Sent in sync across all devices for a short period. Once I’ve dealt with things and don’t need it on all devices, then I move those onto local folders in Apple Mail “On My Mac”. So my inbox may have say 10 emails in (that I’m following things up),..but under On My Mac on my laptop (my main machine) I have 22+ years of emails I can look back up. (Which are backed up to multiple hard drives for multiple points of failure just incase). That’s a sort of brief run down. It can get a bit more complicated,…but once set up and working correctly, it works well. There’s a bit more detail about it all in that link I sent, so worth a read of it all. Having MYOB in the cloud version on a computer, will work regardless of however you have your email. The two won’t really affect each other. Highway1 for example, allow you to IMAP (through Zetta who own it now of course) - https://www.zetta.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/H1_email_iphone_ipa d_setup_guide.pdf So can be used on an iPhone, iPad, Apple Mail on a computer and via webmail. Bit more info there without going into all the details and in and outs / good and bad points for each and how to work it efficiently. Kind regards Daniel — Daniel Kerr MacWizardry p : 0414 795 960 e : <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> **For everything Apple** Please note : All email, phone and SMS support, troubleshooting or consulting will now be charged. An invoice will be sent through on completion of support work. On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:25 pm, Alex via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation. I guess I’m still bit confused? I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage” its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a browser? My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to migrate to their cloud version, However, I may need to change sometime in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation. Thanks, Alex On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: Hi Alex Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part of iTools (which is what it used to be called). They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud we’re used to now. People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also got them @iCloud.com. But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back. Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also wa...@icloud.com. But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address. And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com address. Confused? Hehe. I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with the same thing at the start of all three. And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their iCloud. I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be around that long! Hmmmm,..thanks! lol. But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses. RE Apple Mail. Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set up for all three. Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP. Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange account into Apple mail. And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com account as well. So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want. My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1 Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for people. But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well. This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite well - https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/ Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry p : 0414 795 960 e : <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> **For everything Apple** NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be requested. On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc? Is Apple Mail a POP programme? Cheers, Alex On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: Thank you everyone. I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel K’s instructions). I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to [1]bli...@mac.com I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to start charging. I guess I have a year to change email address for various accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one. Cheers Blitto Rod Blitvich - Amy & Sam’s Dad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet service providers and that won’t change. One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet. I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with all the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud. Cheers Marcus Marcus Harris Mobile +61417965618 On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote: Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I understand. Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing the email management. This was received with big groans. However, Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as making a change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2. You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions. Kind Regards Peter Crisp ----- Original Message ----- From: "WAMUG" <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> To: "WAMUG" <wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> Cc: "Rod Blitvich" <rb...@iinet.net.au> Sent: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800 Subject: [WAMUG] Which Email address? Hi Folks So iinet email is shifting to another provider. Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my primary address? I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au I have the following email addresses: rb...@iinet.net.au bli...@mac.com bli...@icloud.com I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address Thank you Rod Blitvich -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> References 1. mailto:bli...@mac.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> References 1. http://mac.com/ 2. http://me.com/ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
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