Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG General Meeting

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Hi Maureen,

   Are these zoom meetings recorded & available for viewing if unable to
   attend?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 5 Dec 2023, at 9:07 am, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hello FellowWAMUGgers,
 Some may say this meeting alert is late. I say time is a mathematical
 invention to explain the passage of the sun through the sky, and I am
 unencumbered by such mortal irrelevancies. (Hee Hee).
 The details of our final General Meeting for 2023, whether early,
   late,
 or just in time, are below.
 MEETING TOPICS
 1 Start with a Q & A session. Share your questions, and we will see
   if
 we can assist you
 2 PDFGear - free downloadable software.
 Apple’s Preview does 80% of the functions included in PDF Gear, but a
 few extras make PDF Gear a valuable piece of software.
 3 The Way Back Machine
 We have previously looked at this archive of internet sites. But this
 time, we will be focusing on some interesting downloads.
 MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
 Date: Tuesday 5th December
 Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
 Zoom Meeting Link: https://bit.ly/3FJdqKW
 Meeting ID: 898 6524 9743
 Passcode: 156564
 If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,'
   follow
 these instructions.
   * Type [1]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
   * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located under the
 black coloured bar)
   * (You may be asked “Do you want to allow this page to open
 “zoom.us.app”? If this happens download the app and open it.)
   * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in
   this
 email
   * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. If
 you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
   We will be there waiting and look forward to seeing you.
 Cheers,
 Maureen
   References
 1. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Thanks again, Daniel. Very helpful & educational,

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 11:07 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex
   No worries at all. All of that from memory too,..though I was out by a
   year or so in one of them, but looked it up. So remembered 2 of the
   years at least…hehe.
   You can use either IMAP or POP into Apple Mail. Generally POP3
   downloads it all from the “server” (ISP) to your computer, so you’re
   using less space.
   IMAP, has the advantage of being in sync across multiple devices. But
   as you fill up space on the server (at your ISP or your host), then
   over time, you need to move emails to local folders.
   Eg. I use IMAP across a laptop, and iMac an iPhone and iPad. Can send
   and receive from all 4 device (5 if I log into webmail to see all
   emails there). But all old emails I move off the server onto local
   folders in Apple Mail under the heading of “On my Mac”. So I can have
   20+ years of emails stored in Apple Mail, but Inbox, Sent, Trash across
   all devices stores a lot less.
   If you keep all the inbox in the server, eventually they advise you
   you’re running out of space and need to a) buy more space or clear out
   old emails.
   You can set up .Mac/@me.com/@iCloud.com into Apple Mail as well. So
   they still can be a) read on devices/computers and b) accessed via
   webmail at iCloud.com. All of that stays in sync. If you’re on the free
   plan, then you can’t go above 5GB storage. If you buy more iCloud
   storage,…then you can store more. And so on.
   Again though, if you move emails off the Inbox (Stored in the hosting
   server,..eg apple’s iCloud) and save it to local folders in Apple Mail
   then it takes it off Apple servers (uses less space) and save it on
   Apple Mail online (ie on your computer and stored locally).
   So using both methods is handy.
   Eg, as mentioned I keep my Inbox and Sent in sync across all devices
   for a short period. Once I’ve dealt with things and don’t need it on
   all devices, then I move those onto local folders in Apple Mail “On My
   Mac”.
   So my inbox may have say 10 emails in (that I’m following things
   up),..but under On My Mac on my laptop (my main machine) I have 22+
   years of emails I can look back up.
   (Which are backed up to multiple hard drives for multiple points of
   failure just incase).
   That’s a sort of brief run down. It can get a bit more complicated,…but
   once set up and working correctly, it works well.
   There’s a bit more detail about it all in that link I sent, so worth a
   read of it all.
   Having MYOB in the cloud version on a computer, will work regardless of
   however you have your email. The two won’t really affect each other.
   Highway1 for example, allow you to IMAP (through Zetta who own it now
   of course) -
   https://www.zetta.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/H1_email_iphone_ipa
   d_setup_guide.pdf
   So can be used on an iPhone, iPad, Apple Mail on a computer and via
   webmail.
   Bit more info there without going into all the details and in and outs
   / good and bad points for each and how to work it efficiently.
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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 On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:25 pm, Alex via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess
 I’m
  still bit confused?
  I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to
 “manage”
  its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in
 a
  browser?
  My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it
 is
  not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
  migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change
 sometime
  in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.
  Thanks, Alex
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
   wrote:
  Hi Alex
  Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as
 part
  of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
  They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008.
 It
  then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current
 iCloud
  we’re used to now.
  People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which
 also
  got them @iCloud.com.
  But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
  Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
  wa...@icloud.com.
  But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
  And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess I’m
   still bit confused?

   I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage”
   its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a
   browser?

   My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is
   not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
   migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change sometime
   in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.

   Thanks, Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex
   Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part
   of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
   They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It
   then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud
   we’re used to now.
   People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also
   got them @iCloud.com.
   But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
   Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
   wa...@icloud.com.
   But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
   And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com
   address.
   Confused? Hehe.
   I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I
   now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with
   the same thing at the start of all three.
   And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them
   my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to
   explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their
   iCloud.
   I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be
   around that long!
   H,..thanks! lol.
   But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free
   @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.
   RE Apple Mail.
   Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set
   up for all three.
   Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as
   default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
   Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange
   account into Apple mail.
   And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com
   account as well.
   So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
   My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the
   various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail
   accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1
   Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for people.
   But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.
   This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite
   well -
   https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/
   Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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 On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
 wrote:
  Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes
 (forgotten
  what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
  programme?
  Cheers,  Alex
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
   wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
 Daniel
  K’s
instructions).
I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
[1]bli...@mac.com
I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
 to
start charging.
I guess I have a year to change email address for various
accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
Cheers
Blitto
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
 wrote:
As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
service providers and that won’t change.
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
 with
  all
the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers
  

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
   programme?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you everyone.
 I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
   K’s
 instructions).
 I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
 [1]bli...@mac.com
 I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
 start charging.
 I guess I have a year to change email address for various
 accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
 Cheers
 Blitto
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
  wrote:
 As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
 service providers and that won’t change.
 One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
 I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
   all
 the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
 Cheers
 Marcus
 Marcus Harris
 Mobile +61417965618
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
wrote:
      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
   outsourcing
   the
email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet
(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
   case
they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
   Mail
accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
   making a
change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
   with
all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
   my
email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
   email
management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
   2,
they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
   day
1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
   or
there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
  - Original Message -
From:
"WAMUG" 
To:
  "WAMUG" 
Cc:
  "Rod Blitvich" 
Sent:
  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
Subject:
  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
  Hi Folks
  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
   my
  primary address?
  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
  I have the following email addresses:
  rb...@iinet.net.au
  bli...@mac.com
  bli...@icloud.com
  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
  Thank you
  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Searching emails

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Hi All,

   I think I have cracked it, just too obvious for me!!

   When I get results of a search, I have to open the email & it tells me
   up the top right where it is residing.

   What I was looking for was a spreadsheet type result with date etc &
   where it is residing on that one line without having to open the email
   to find out.

   Cheers & thanks, Alex

   On 14 Oct 2023, at 10:35 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
   wrote:

 Thank you for your reply & advice, Robin.
 However, I must be obtuse or blind as I can’t see any circle with a
 chevron inside it?
 Cheers,  Alex
 On 14 Oct 2023, at 3:06 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Alex,
 I believe you are looking for something like this.
 
 But you won’t see it if your mail is threaded like this
 
 until you click on the chevron inside the circle and get this
 
 now select the individual message and you will have the mailbox
   shown.
 Hope this helps
 Robin
   On 12 Oct 2023, at 10:44 pm, Alex via WAMUG
wrote:
Hello Wamuggians,
I’m wondering if the search functionality in Mail has changed
   somewhat?
 When I search for an email that I know I have seen recently but
   it’s
not in my In Box, the results do not show where it is now
   residing.
Is
there a preference/setting that I am not aware of?
Using a new MacBook Air with Ventura.
Cheers,  Alex
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Re: [WAMUG] Searching emails

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Thank you for your reply & advice, Robin.

   However, I must be obtuse or blind as I can’t see any circle with a
   chevron inside it?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 14 Oct 2023, at 3:06 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex,
   I believe you are looking for something like this.
   
   But you won’t see it if your mail is threaded like this
   
   until you click on the chevron inside the circle and get this
   
   now select the individual message and you will have the mailbox shown.
   Hope this helps
   Robin

 On 12 Oct 2023, at 10:44 pm, Alex via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Hello Wamuggians,
  I’m wondering if the search functionality in Mail has changed
 somewhat?
   When I search for an email that I know I have seen recently but
 it’s
  not in my In Box, the results do not show where it is now residing.
  Is
  there a preference/setting that I am not aware of?
  Using a new MacBook Air with Ventura.
  Cheers,  Alex
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[WAMUG] Searching emails

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Hello Wamuggians,

   I’m wondering if the search functionality in Mail has changed somewhat?
When I search for an email that I know I have seen recently but it’s
   not in my In Box, the results do not show where it is now residing.  Is
   there a preference/setting that I am not aware of?

   Using a new MacBook Air with Ventura.

   Cheers,  Alex
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