Re: Adieu

[Carlo Margio RWC]

Don't be too hard on yourself Stephen. I thought the discussion was most 
restrained and everyone got to put their point of view - which is exactly what 
should happen. Compared to some other site WAMUG can be proud of how it handles 
itself.

Regards,
Carlo

Sent from my iPad

On 01/07/2012, at 17:33, Stephen Chape  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I also apologise if I have upset anyone with my comment, but not for having 
> an opinion.
> I watched the discussion with amazement for quite some time before I felt the 
> need to say something.
> Now I regret it .. should have kept my trap shut !
> 
> 
> On 30/06/2012, at 9:50 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> Hello WAMUG and list members,
>> 
>> This discussion is getting really silly and destructive.
>> 
>> It is not our right to judge others. 
>> 
>> After midnight tonight I will not be able to reply to this mailing list, at 
>> least in the short term. This is my personal choice.
>> 
>> I trust I have not made personal judgements and 'put-downs' to WAMUG members 
>> and list members. If I have, I apologise. 
>> 
>> I trust that the WAMUG friendships I have made, both personal and virtual, 
>> will continue long into the future.
>> 
>> It seems the decision of the WAMUG committee to restrict mailing list access 
>> has become topical and divisionary.
>> 
>> Surely we exist to care and support each other.
>> 
>> WAMUG and list members, please do not bully members and supporters away.
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/06/2012, at 7:31 pm, Wendy S Austin wrote:
>> 
>>> Truly, I despair as this comment.   
>>> 
>>> Goodbye WAMUG.
>>> 
>>> Wendy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30/06/2012, at 19:18 , Stephen Chape wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
 I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual 
 membership.
 I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost 
 involved with running the list invaluable.
 
 As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee 
 we can do without !
 
 Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wendy S Austin
>>> 211 Bathurst Street
>>> Hobart  Tas  7000
>>> Home:  (03) 62852733
>>> Mobile:  0409951971
>>> 
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Re: Adieu

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks,

I also apologise if I have upset anyone with my comment, but not for having an 
opinion.
I watched the discussion with amazement for quite some time before I felt the 
need to say something.
Now I regret it .. should have kept my trap shut !


On 30/06/2012, at 9:50 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:

> Hello WAMUG and list members,
> 
> This discussion is getting really silly and destructive.
> 
> It is not our right to judge others. 
> 
> After midnight tonight I will not be able to reply to this mailing list, at 
> least in the short term. This is my personal choice.
> 
> I trust I have not made personal judgements and 'put-downs' to WAMUG members 
> and list members. If I have, I apologise. 
> 
> I trust that the WAMUG friendships I have made, both personal and virtual, 
> will continue long into the future.
> 
> It seems the decision of the WAMUG committee to restrict mailing list access 
> has become topical and divisionary.
> 
> Surely we exist to care and support each other.
> 
> WAMUG and list members, please do not bully members and supporters away.
> 
> Reg
> 
> 
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/06/2012, at 7:31 pm, Wendy S Austin wrote:
> 
>> Truly, I despair as this comment.   
>> 
>> Goodbye WAMUG.
>> 
>> Wendy
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/06/2012, at 19:18 , Stephen Chape wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
>>> I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual 
>>> membership.
>>> I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost 
>>> involved with running the list invaluable.
>>> 
>>> As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee 
>>> we can do without !
>>> 
>>> Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wendy S Austin
>> 211 Bathurst Street
>> Hobart  Tas  7000
>> Home:  (03) 62852733
>> Mobile:  0409951971
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Adieu

[Reg Whitely]

Hello WAMUG and list members,

This discussion is getting really silly and destructive.

It is not our right to judge others. 

After midnight tonight I will not be able to reply to this mailing list, at 
least in the short term. This is my personal choice.

I trust I have not made personal judgements and 'put-downs' to WAMUG members 
and list members. If I have, I apologise. 

I trust that the WAMUG friendships I have made, both personal and virtual, will 
continue long into the future.

It seems the decision of the WAMUG committee to restrict mailing list access 
has become topical and divisionary.

Surely we exist to care and support each other.

WAMUG and list members, please do not bully members and supporters away.

Reg



Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net



On 30/06/2012, at 7:31 pm, Wendy S Austin wrote:

> Truly, I despair as this comment.   
> 
> Goodbye WAMUG.
> 
> Wendy
> 
> 
> On 30/06/2012, at 19:18 , Stephen Chape wrote:
> 
>> Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
>> I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership.
>> I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost 
>> involved with running the list invaluable.
>> 
>> As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we 
>> can do without !
>> 
>> Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wendy S Austin
> 211 Bathurst Street
> Hobart  Tas  7000
> Home:  (03) 62852733
> Mobile:  0409951971
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Adieu

[Wendy S Austin]

Truly, I despair as this comment.   

Goodbye WAMUG.

Wendy


On 30/06/2012, at 19:18 , Stephen Chape wrote:

> Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
> I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership.
> I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost involved 
> with running the list invaluable.
> 
> As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we 
> can do without !
> 
> Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !
> 





Wendy S Austin
211 Bathurst Street
Hobart  Tas  7000
Home:  (03) 62852733
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Re: Adieu

[Stephen Chape]

Also just my opinion Duncan.
Not that of WAMUG !

On 30/06/2012, at 5:31 PM, Duncan Hardman wrote:

> So I have been reading these messages trying to form an opinion and
> thought I should post while I am still able. I must admit though,
> comments like this (Stephens) are unhelpful - just my opinion though.
> 
> Can I ask, as I can't find them on the WAMUG website, does WAMUG
> publish its accounts. This would help with your argument about the
> cost of running WAMUG and where the money goes etc.
> 
> Anyway just a thought.
> 
> Duncan
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 June 2012 17:18, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
>> I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership.
>> I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost 
>> involved with running the list invaluable.
>> 
>> As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we 
>> can do without !
>> 
>> Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/06/2012, at 11:08 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>> 
>>> Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,...
>>> 
>>> But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is 
>>> nothing stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they 
>>> require help, they can then sign up.
>>> 
>>> There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other 
>>> costs. Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind 
>>> the scenes. (of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time 
>>> and resources put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this 
>>> list. (Have you been to some of the other lists that have advertising 
>>> everywhere?).
>>> 
>>> Plus you only have to look around at other support costs.
>>> Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 
>>> 90 day phone support).
>>> Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling 
>>> costs/your time/parking costs! lol
>>> Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I 
>>> have a fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist 
>>> support). Which is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else 
>>> said it's a user-paid world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all 
>>> charge. People have to make a living.
>>> So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well 
>>> worth it.
>>> 
>>> And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a 
>>> fee and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey 
>>> completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time 
>>> discussing it. (let alone getting it all place).
>>> 
>>> I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make.
>>> Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own 
>>> views,
>>> 
>>> Enjoy! :o)
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
>>>> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) 
>>>> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large 
>>>> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there 
>>>> and a warrantied paid service technician.
>>>> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
>>>> Hugh
>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Adieu
>>>>> From: cm200...@gmail.com
>>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
>>>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the 
>>>>> years and we contributors are honoured 

Re: Adieu

[Duncan Hardman]

So I have been reading these messages trying to form an opinion and
thought I should post while I am still able. I must admit though,
comments like this (Stephens) are unhelpful - just my opinion though.

Can I ask, as I can't find them on the WAMUG website, does WAMUG
publish its accounts. This would help with your argument about the
cost of running WAMUG and where the money goes etc.

Anyway just a thought.

Duncan



On 30 June 2012 17:18, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
> I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership.
> I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost involved 
> with running the list invaluable.
>
> As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we 
> can do without !
>
> Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !
>
>
> On 28/06/2012, at 11:08 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>
>> Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,...
>>
>> But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is nothing 
>> stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they require 
>> help, they can then sign up.
>>
>> There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other 
>> costs. Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind the 
>> scenes. (of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time and 
>> resources put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this list. 
>> (Have you been to some of the other lists that have advertising everywhere?).
>>
>> Plus you only have to look around at other support costs.
>> Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 90 
>> day phone support).
>> Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling costs/your 
>> time/parking costs! lol
>> Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I have 
>> a fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist support). 
>> Which is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else said it's a 
>> user-paid world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all charge. 
>> People have to make a living.
>> So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well worth 
>> it.
>>
>> And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a 
>> fee and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey 
>> completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time 
>> discussing it. (let alone getting it all place).
>>
>> I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make.
>> Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own 
>> views,
>>
>> Enjoy! :o)
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>>
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>>
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>>
>>
>> **For everything Apple**
>>
>> On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
>>> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) 
>>> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large 
>>> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there 
>>> and a warrantied paid service technician.
>>> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Adieu
>>>> From: cm200...@gmail.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
>>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>>
>>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>>>
>>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the 
>>>> years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out 
>>>> on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at 
>>>> all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any 
>>>> and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG 
>>>> emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever 
>>>> happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would 
>>>> love to see you there.
>>>>
>>>> The d

Re: Adieu

[Stephen Chape]

Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely.
I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership.
I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost involved 
with running the list invaluable.

As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we 
can do without !

Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful !


On 28/06/2012, at 11:08 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,...
> 
> But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is nothing 
> stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they require 
> help, they can then sign up.
> 
> There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other 
> costs. Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind the 
> scenes. (of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time and 
> resources put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this list. 
> (Have you been to some of the other lists that have advertising everywhere?).
> 
> Plus you only have to look around at other support costs.
> Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 90 
> day phone support).
> Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling costs/your 
> time/parking costs! lol
> Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I have 
> a fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist support). 
> Which is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else said it's a 
> user-paid world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all charge. People 
> have to make a living.
> So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well worth 
> it.
> 
> And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a 
> fee and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey 
> completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time 
> discussing it. (let alone getting it all place).
> 
> I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make.
> Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own views,
> 
> Enjoy! :o)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
>> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) 
>> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large 
>> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there 
>> and a warrantied paid service technician.
>> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
>> Hugh
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Adieu
>>> From: cm200...@gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
>>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>> 
>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to 
>>> end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all 
>>> posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to 
>>> your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be 
>>> passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see 
>>> you there.
>>> 
>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of 
>>> user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>

Re: Adieu

[Dark1]

een applicants and other 
> messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm mailto:cm200...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
> 
> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
> 
> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you 
> will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is 
> that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members 
> who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely 
> confidential between the pros
> p
> ec
> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
> website will be updated to reflect this.
> 
> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
> 
> All the best,
> Carlo
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
> Dear Eugene
> 
> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so 
> many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
> 
> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
> you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
> continue.
> 
> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
> 
> Reg
> 
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net<mailto:rwhit...@internode.on.net>
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
> 
> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last 
> time I am able to write to the list.
> 
> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was 
> able to maintain contact.
> 
> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
> others when I encountered problems myself.
> 
> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
> dialogue.
> 
> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> 
> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
>

Re: It's Hello not Adieu from Me

[cm]

Welcome to our group Yvonne and thank you for your kind sentiments. Going 
forward we plan to make membership even more valuable that it is now, so please 
stay tuned. :-)

Regards,
Carlo

On 28/06/2012, at 13:38 , wyv...@iinet.net.au wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> I've had help from the list in the past and thinking I might need more in the 
> future I had been thinking for a while that I should join up and do my bit to 
> help cover the costs. So, yes, as of yesterday I am a newly paid up member 
> even though I doubt I shall ever get to a meeting.
> 
> I've read the comments for and against and appreciate that money is tight but 
> although I have no knowledge of whether it will or will not happen a thought 
> just struck me. The more paid up members covering the costs perhaps the lower 
> the fees in the future or...going forward [as seems to be the 'in' phrase of 
> politicians these days] it'll be a while before fees need to increase.
> 
> I've added next year's fees into the family budget. 
> 
> Yvonne
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[Kevin Lock]

After being a 'lister' for some years, I decided to pay up a few weeks 
ago.  Over the years I have received help in many forms and have been 
most grateful. Just this week Ronni solved a problem with burning a 
DVD of an EyeTV recording...that in itself was worth my subs.

Kev
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It's Hello not Adieu from Me

[wyvern]

Hi Guys,

I've had help from the list in the past and thinking I might need more in the 
future I had been thinking for a while that I should join up and do my bit to 
help cover the costs. So, yes, as of yesterday I am a newly paid up member even 
though I doubt I shall ever get to a meeting.

I've read the comments for and against and appreciate that money is tight but 
although I have no knowledge of whether it will or will not happen a thought 
just struck me. The more paid up members covering the costs perhaps the lower 
the fees in the future or...going forward [as seems to be the 'in' phrase of 
politicians these days] it'll be a while before fees need to increase.

I've added next year's fees into the family budget. 

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Re: Adieu

[Matt Huitson]

reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time 
you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all 
pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second 
solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will 
discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the 
membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pros
p
ec
tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out 
on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website 
will be updated to reflect this.

So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.

All the best,
Carlo

On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:

Dear Eugene

I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so 
many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.

As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
continue.

Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.

Reg


Reg Whitely

Home: 08 9921 7272
Mob: 04 8899 7313
Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net<mailto:rwhit...@internode.on.net>



On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:

Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last 
time I am able to write to the list.

I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments 
impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but 
with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to 
maintain contact.

>From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at 
>other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others 
>when I encountered problems myself.

I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
dialogue.

I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.

 Regards,
     Eugene


On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:

I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.

I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I 
have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else 
has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing 
Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute 
to the group.

The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
minnow in the Mac geekdom.

As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and 
while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I 
need to be careful.

I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps 
me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august 
group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but 
now live in Albury.

We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as 
active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for 
financial members).

Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.

Peter Sealy
Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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Re: Adieu

[Daniel Kerr]

Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,...

But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is nothing 
stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they require 
help, they can then sign up.

There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other costs. 
Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind the scenes. 
(of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time and resources 
put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this list. (Have you been 
to some of the other lists that have advertising everywhere?).

Plus you only have to look around at other support costs.
Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 90 
day phone support).
Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling costs/your 
time/parking costs! lol
Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I have a 
fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist support). Which 
is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else said it's a user-paid 
world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all charge. People have to 
make a living.
So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well worth it.

And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a fee 
and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey 
completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time 
discussing it. (let alone getting it all place).

I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make.
Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own views,

Enjoy! :o)

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) 
> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large 
> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there 
> and a warrantied paid service technician.
> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
> Hugh
> 
>> Subject: Re: Adieu
>> From: cm200...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
>> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
>> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
>> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
>> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
>> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>> be entirely confidential between the pros
 p
> ec
>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>> 
>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene
>>> 
>>> I have never met you

Re: Adieu

[Michael Bramwell]

>>>>> any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive 
>>>>>> WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you 
>>>>>> ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we 
>>>>>> would love to see you there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. 
>>>>>> Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>>>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee 
>>>>>> are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a 
>>>>>> random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then 
>>>>>> disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to 
>>>>>> this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly 
>>>>>> remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable 
>>>>>> call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you 
>>>>>> need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all 
>>>>>> pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The 
>>>>>> second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee 
>>>>>> meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot 
>>>>>> afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential 
>>>>>> between the 
 p
> r
>> o
>>> s
>>>> p
>>>>> ec
>>>>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a 
>>>>>> mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and 
>>>>>> our website will be updated to reflect this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we 
>>>>>> are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Eugene
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, 
>>>>>>> in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>>>>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and 
>>>>>>> want this to continue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be 
>>>>>>>> the last time I am able to write to the list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, 
>>>>>>>> attending meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family 
>>>>>>>> and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical 
>>>>>>>> presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the 
>>>>>>>> WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem 
>>>>>>>> solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and 
>>>>>>>> accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
>>>>>>>> friendly dialogue.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into 

Re: Adieu

[Michael Bramwell]

the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. 
>>>>> Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this 
>>>>> category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember 
>>>>> that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge 
>>>>> for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a 
>>>>> consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, 
>>>>> fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second 
>>>>> solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we 
>>>>> will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay 
>>>>> the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the p
 r
> o
>> s
>>> p
>>>> ec
>>>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a 
>>>>> mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and 
>>>>> our website will be updated to reflect this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>>>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Eugene
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, 
>>>>>> in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>>>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>>>>> this to continue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be 
>>>>>>> the last time I am able to write to the list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, 
>>>>>>> attending meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and 
>>>>>>> work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence 
>>>>>>> at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG 
>>>>>>> mailing list I was able to maintain contact.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving 
>>>>>>> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate 
>>>>>>> response from others when I encountered problems myself.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
>>>>>>> friendly dialogue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Eugene
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about 
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by 
>>>>>>>> the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have 
>>>>>>>> answered someone else has answered the question, most often of c

Re: Adieu

[Ronda Brown]

gt;>>> WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most 
>>>> Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>>>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>>>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>>>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>>>> be entirely confidential between the pr
 o
> s
>> p
>>> ec
>>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a 
>>>> mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and 
>>>> our website will be updated to reflect this.
>>>> 
>>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Eugene
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, 
>>>>> in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>>>> this to continue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>> 
>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>>>>>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, 
>>>>>> attending meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and 
>>>>>> work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence 
>>>>>> at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG 
>>>>>> mailing list I was able to maintain contact.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving 
>>>>>> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate 
>>>>>> response from others when I encountered problems myself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
>>>>>> friendly dialogue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Eugene
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about 
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
>>>>>>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
>>>>>>> someone else has answered the question, most often of course the 
>>>>>>> indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put 
>>>>>>> in by many others to contribute to the group.   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see 
>>>>>>> myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social 
>>>>>>> organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount 
>>>>>>> to you still working, I need to be careful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List 
>>>>>>

Re: Adieu

[Warren Iannello]

s was not made lightly. 
>>>> Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. 
>>>> Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category 
>>>> of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the 
>>>> WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most 
>>>> Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>>>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>>>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>>>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>>>> be entirely confidential between the pro
> s
>> p
>>> ec
>>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a 
>>>> mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and 
>>>> our website will be updated to reflect this.
>>>> 
>>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Eugene
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, 
>>>>> in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>>>> this to continue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reg Whitely
>>>>> 
>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>>>>>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, 
>>>>>> attending meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and 
>>>>>> work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence 
>>>>>> at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG 
>>>>>> mailing list I was able to maintain contact.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving 
>>>>>> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate 
>>>>>> response from others when I encountered problems myself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
>>>>>> friendly dialogue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Eugene
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about 
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
>>>>>>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
>>>>>>> someone else has answered the question, most often of course the 
>>>>>>> indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put 
>>>>>>> in by many others to contribute to the group.   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The other reason for t

Re: Adieu

[Michael Bramwell]

I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to 
an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I 
have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were 
that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. 
Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so 
all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk.

For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com .

Mike.

On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> I agree Tim.
> 
> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial 
> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it 
> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!
> 
> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use 
> the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that 
> is their choice to make.
> 
> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an 
> annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for 
> one email support issue.
> 
> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but 
> expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 
> 
> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
> their decision.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
>> 
>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask 
>> a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
>> 
>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
>> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer 
>> forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their 
>> contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
>> 
>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
>> list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to 
>> get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
>> other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
>> 
>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
>> decision.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>> 
>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to 
>>> end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all 
>>> posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to 
>>> your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be 
>>> passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see 
>>> you there.
>>> 
>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of 
>>> user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>>> be entirely confidenti

Re: Adieu

[Ronda Brown]

I agree Tim.

I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member 
of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for 
WAMUG and the mailing list to continue.
Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list!

I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is 
difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use 
the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that 
is their choice to make.

The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an 
annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for 
one email support issue.

I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but 
expect others to pay to keep that support possible. 

The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud 
their decision.

Regards,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law  wrote:

> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
> 
> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
> question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
> 
> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
> that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions 
> are only as accurate as their experiences.
> 
> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
> members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
> then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
> bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other 
> messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
>> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
>> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
>> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
>> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
>> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>> be entirely confidential between the pros
 p
> ec
>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>> 
>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene
>>> 
>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>> 
>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>> this to continue.
>>> 
>&g

Re: Adieu

[Curtis Peter]

I fully support the Committee in their work and decisions!
Regards
Peter
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RE: Adieu

[hugh griffiths]

I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's 
suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) and 
if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large group of 
expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there and a 
warrantied paid service technician.
Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past.
Hugh

> Subject: Re: Adieu
> From: cm200...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800
> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
> 
> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
> 
> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you 
> will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is 
> that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members 
> who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely 
> confidential between the prosp
 ec
>  tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
> website will be updated to reflect this.
> 
> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
> 
> All the best,
> Carlo
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
> > Dear Eugene
> > 
> > I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
> > so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
> > 
> > As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
> > from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
> > this to continue.
> > 
> > Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
> > 
> > Reg
> > 
> > 
> > Reg Whitely
> > 
> > Home: 08 9921 7272
> > Mob: 04 8899 7313
> > Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
> > 
> >> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
> >> last time I am able to write to the list.
> >> 
> >> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
> >> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
> >> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at 
> >> these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing 
> >> list I was able to maintain contact.
> >> 
> >> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving 
> >> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response 
> >> from others when I encountered problems myself.
> >> 
> >> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the 
> >> friendly dialogue.
> >> 
> >> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Eugene
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> >>> 
> >>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
> >>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
> >>> someone else has answered the qu

Re: Adieu

[John Hatch]

Hi,
I ve been at times a financial member of the group and during those times 
attended meetings, enjoyed the company and experience of other members. Paying 
a "due" for this I agree was and is fair and equitable. This list has IMHO has 
developed from those early days and maybe now has become a mixed role between 
an user group and a club newsletter. I belong to several other "usergroups" 
unrelated to Macs for which I get advice, help and opinions free of charge. If 
this is now no longer a user group forum but in fact a newsletter for finacial 
members then I would probably not join. A question I have is if I now have to 
pay for this advice or privelege what are my rights and your liabilities.
 regards

john

Sent from my iPad

On 28/06/2012, at 7:26 AM, Roger Kortas  wrote:

> Hi Tim
> 
> You can't really make a judgement on if the fee is small or not, it might be 
> small for you but for others it may not be!  
> 
> I haven't decided if to join or not as of yet as I also have other needs for 
> what money I have and it has to be balanced out.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law wrote:
> 
>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
>> 
>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask 
>> a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
>> 
>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
>> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer 
>> forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their 
>> contributions are only as accurate as their experiences.
>> 
>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests 
>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the 
>> list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to 
>> get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and 
>> other messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
>> 
>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
>> decision.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>>> 
>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to 
>>> end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all 
>>> posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to 
>>> your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be 
>>> passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see 
>>> you there.
>>> 
>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of 
>>> user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>>> be entirely confidential between the pro
 s
> p
>> ec
>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>>> 
>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg 

Re: Adieu

[Roger Kortas]

Hi Tim

You can't really make a judgement on if the fee is small or not, it might be 
small for you but for others it may not be!  

I haven't decided if to join or not as of yet as I also have other needs for 
what money I have and it has to be balanced out.

Regards

Roger


On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law wrote:

> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.
> 
> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
> question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.
> 
> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
> reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
> that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions 
> are only as accurate as their experiences.
> 
> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
> members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
> then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
> bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other 
> messy things, all for such a small amount of money.
> 
> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to 
> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees 
> decision.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
>> 
>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
>> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
>> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
>> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
>> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
>> 
>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
>> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and 
>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to 
>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries 
>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would 
>> be entirely confidential between the pros
 p
> ec
>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
>> website will be updated to reflect this.
>> 
>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene
>>> 
>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>>> 
>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries 
>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want 
>>> this to continue.
>>> 
>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>>> 
>>> Reg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reg Whitely
>>> 
>>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>>>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>>>> 
>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
>>>> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Famil

Re: Adieu

[Tim Law]

Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting.

But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a 
question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list.

I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive 
reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums 
that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are 
only as accurate as their experiences.

I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from 
members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, 
then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get 
bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy 
things, all for such a small amount of money.

I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit 
the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision.

Tim



Sent from my iPad

On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm  wrote:

> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,
> 
> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years 
> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
> your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts 
> to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your 
> inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing 
> through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.
> 
> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running 
> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of 
> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are 
> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random 
> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly 
> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user 
> so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG 
> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac 
> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider 
> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you 
> will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is 
> that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members 
> who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely 
> confidential between the prosp
 ec
> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our 
> website will be updated to reflect this.
> 
> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.
> 
> All the best,
> Carlo
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:
> 
>> Dear Eugene
>> 
>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in 
>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
>> 
>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
>> you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
>> continue.
>> 
>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
>> 
>> Reg
>> 
>> 
>> Reg Whitely
>> 
>> Home: 08 9921 7272
>> Mob: 04 8899 7313
>> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
>> 
>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>>> 
>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
>>> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
>>> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
>>> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I 
>>> was able to maintain contact.
>>> 
>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
>>> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
>>> others when I encountered problems myself.
>>> 
>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
>>> dialogue.
>>> 
>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>>> 
>>>Regards,

Re: Adieu

[Peter Meyer]

It does sound like the shutters are going up. That's a pity. But as a 'lurker' 
of some 12 years or so I too should say farewell while the opportunity is still 
there. 
In particular, 'farewell' to people who, like Eugene have lived on the fringe 
of the WAMUG pool but contribute knowledgeably if infrequently.
One of the virtues of this group in the past has been its diversity…
Anyway - good luck! And thanks…

peter meyer




On 27/06/2012, at 10:17 PM, Steven Knowles wrote:

> I'm afraid I'll need to exit also, as a remote member with no way of 
> participating in any of the other WAMUG niceties, but happy to join the the 
> ACT email list Peter. I couldn't see any obvious instructions at its website 
> though. What do I do ?
> 
> Cheers, Steven
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> 
>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
>> 
>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
>> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
>> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
>> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
>> contribute to the group.   
>> 
>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as 
>> a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>> 
>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
>> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
>> working, I need to be careful.
>> 
>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
>> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
>> many years but now live in Albury.
>> 
>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
>> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
>> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your 
>> electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List 
>> is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly 
>> Newsletter (for financial members).
>> 
>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
>> 
>> Peter Sealy
>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
> 
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Re: Adieu

[cm]

Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members,

We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and 
we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other 
occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end 
your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to 
the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox 
unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through 
Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there.

The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the 
list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, 
fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the 
service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale 
a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and 
Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to 
suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a 
reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time 
you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all 
pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second 
solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will 
discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the 
membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prospec
 tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail 
out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website 
will be updated to reflect this.

So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are 
grateful for your contribution to WAMUG.

All the best,
Carlo

On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote:

> Dear Eugene
> 
> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so 
> many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.
> 
> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
> you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
> continue.
> 
> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.
> 
> Reg
> 
> 
> Reg Whitely
> 
> Home: 08 9921 7272
> Mob: 04 8899 7313
> Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:
> 
>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the 
>> last time I am able to write to the list.
>> 
>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
>> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
>> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
>> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I 
>> was able to maintain contact.
>> 
>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
>> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
>> others when I encountered problems myself.
>> 
>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
>> dialogue.
>> 
>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eugene
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>> 
>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
>>> 
>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the 
>>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered 
>>> someone else has answered the question, most often of course the 
>>> indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in 
>>> by many others to contribute to the group.   
>>> 
>>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as 
>>> a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>>> 
>>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
>>> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
>>> working, I need to be careful.
>>> 
>>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
>>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
>>> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
>>> many years but now live in Albury.
>>> 
>>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our em

Re: Adieu

[Steven Knowles]

I'm afraid I'll need to exit also, as a remote member with no way of 
participating in any of the other WAMUG niceties, but happy to join the the ACT 
email list Peter. I couldn't see any obvious instructions at its website 
though. What do I do ?

Cheers, Steven


On 27/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:

> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.   
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
> 
> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
> many years but now live in Albury.
> 
> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
> eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere 
> as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter 
> (for financial members).
> 
> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA

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Re: Adieu

[Reg Whitely]

Dear Eugene

I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so 
many ways on the WAMUG mailing list.

As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from 
you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to 
continue.

Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet.

Reg


Reg Whitely

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On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote:

> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last 
> time I am able to write to the list.
> 
> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
> meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work 
> commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these 
> meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was 
> able to maintain contact.
> 
> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and 
> at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from 
> others when I encountered problems myself.
> 
> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
> dialogue.
> 
> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Eugene
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> 
>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
>> 
>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
>> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
>> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
>> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
>> contribute to the group.   
>> 
>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as 
>> a minnow in the Mac geekdom.
>> 
>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
>> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
>> working, I need to be careful.
>> 
>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
>> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
>> many years but now live in Albury.
>> 
>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
>> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
>> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your 
>> electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List 
>> is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly 
>> Newsletter (for financial members).
>> 
>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
>> 
>> Peter Sealy
>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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Re: Adieu

[Reg Whitely]

Dear Peter

I have always respected your contribution to WAMUG list discussions. I'm 
disheartened at your decision to 'withdraw'. Life is torrid, rewards are 
welcome. 

Do please stay with WAMUG. Maybe WAMUG may offer a solution for you and others 
in similar situations, before Sunday.

I don't want to lose your (combined) brains trust.

Reg

PS sent from me who also needs to cough up the fee by Saturday.

Reg

Reg Whitely

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On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 pm, Peter Sealy wrote:

> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.   
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
> 
> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
> many years but now live in Albury.
> 
> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
> eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere 
> as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter 
> (for financial members).
> 
> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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Re: Adieu

[Eugene de Gouw]

Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last 
time I am able to write to the list.

I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending 
meetings  at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments 
impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but 
with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to 
maintain contact.

>From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at 
>other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others 
>when I encountered problems myself.

I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly 
dialogue.

I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG.

  Regards,
  Eugene
 

On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:

> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.
> 
> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time 
> I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone 
> else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and 
> amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to 
> contribute to the group.   
> 
> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
> minnow in the Mac geekdom.
> 
> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations 
> and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still 
> working, I need to be careful.
> 
> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which 
> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of 
> this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for 
> many years but now live in Albury.
> 
> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
> Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
> non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
> eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere 
> as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter 
> (for financial members).
> 
> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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Adieu

[Peter Sealy]

I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here.

I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I 
have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else 
has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing 
Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute 
to the group.   

The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a 
minnow in the Mac geekdom.

As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and 
while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I 
need to be careful.

I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps 
me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august 
group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but 
now live in Albury.

We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. 
Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many 
non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons 
eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as 
active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for 
financial members).

Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie.

Peter Sealy
Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
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