Re: BCC
On 16/5/06 2:31 PM, "Malcolm McCallum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can some 'guru; tell me if the addresses in bcc are hidden from each > other if you put 2+ email addresses in the space? > Mac > Hi Malcolm Yes they are. You can put as many addresses as you like in the BCC field and they will all be hidden. They only show if you put them in the "to" field or the "CC" field. Hope that helps. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> **For everything Macintosh**
Re: Bcc button in Thunderbird
Stephen Chape wrote: Does anyone know how to add the BCC option button in Thunderbird for sending email ? There is a TO and CC option but I cannot find any way of adding a BCC button. Regards, Stephen Chape Hi Stephen In mine (version 1.0.6 (20050716)) I press return after completing the fist address, the one it is actually 'To:', then I have to drop the list down beside this second 'To:' field and I can then select 'Bcc:'. This is repeated for subsequent recipients. HTH Paul
Bcc button in Thunderbird
Does anyone know how to add the BCC option button in Thunderbird for sending email ? There is a TO and CC option but I cannot find any way of adding a BCC button. Regards, Stephen Chape
Re: Explanation of Bcc in Email
To clarify: it is perfectly acceptable for a message to have no 'To' header, although technically it is necessary to have at least one 'To', 'Cc' or 'Bcc' header. However, none of these headers needs to actually contain an address. A common substitute is "undisclosed-recipients: ;". Since the contents of the Bcc header must be removed (otherwise Bcc serves no purpose), some e-mail clients force you to use a 'To' header. This is a workaround for a variety of odd mail-server behaviours. However, the worst server behaviours are not prevented anyway. There are several strong analogies between Internet mail and postal mail. For instance: if you send a postal letter to someone, you print their name at the top of the letter but you also print their name on the envelope. The post office does not even look at what you have written on the letter -- it simply uses the envelope. Internet mail is the same. When you send e-mail, your programme (e.g. Entourage or whatever) will copy your To, Cc and Bcc addresses to the envelope and then delete the Bcc header. From that point, your message is transmitted to your server which looks only at the envelope and NOT the contents of your headers. This is how it knows to about your Bcc recipients even when they don't appear within the e-mail itself. Likewise, e-mail lists (like this one) and e-mail aliases work similarly: the recipients are put into the envelope (and NOT the message) by the mail server. In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:24:10PM +0800, Craig Ringer wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 21:12, J Philippe Chaperon wrote: > > I too do have the same problem in that if only the BCC field is entered with > > one or more addresses, then the 'Send Now' and 'Send Later' buttons are > > disabled (or greyed out). > At a guess, I'd say you need to enter at least one To: address as well. > This is common in many mail clients. But a misfeature nevertheless. In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:28:07PM +0800, Craig Ringer wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 21:24, Craig Ringer wrote: > > > My comments is that the Mac versions are always playing 'second > > > fiddle' to the Windows one! > > Sorry, I missed this before. I'd actually say that this behaviour makes > the mac version superior. I am agog at your remarks, again! (The behaviour is a source of user support queries, and some people "solve" the problem by putting /other/ people's addresses into the 'To' header -- it hasn't occurred to them that they can insert their own addresses instead.) > "This message contains only Bcc recipients. It is possible that the mail > server may reveal the recipients by adding an Apparently-To header. > Send anyway?" Firstly, it is good that your client gives the warning. Secondly, if such servers exist, they are misconfigured. (That is not to say that no such servers should exist, just that they shouldn't be used for general users' e-mail.) Not only is Apparently-To explicitly bemoaned by RFCs since 1991, it is simply inappropriate to put Bcc recipients into headers of a message that is being sent to the 'To' or 'Cc' recipients. And VERY rarely is it ever appropriate to put Bcc recipients into any delivered message (although there is some mention that you might want to stick in a Bcc header with a comment like "undisclosed recipients:;" just to make it clear that there were some Bcc recipients). Thirdly, perhaps it would be acceptable to have Apparently-To, as long as handled exactly like the Delivered-To header.
Bcc problem in Entourage
Well blow me down !! Sending and email in Mozilla using Bcc only works fine.
Re: Bcc in Email
Tim Law wrote: HI, A friend of mine got frustrated with this 'feature' of Entourage he changed to using OSX Mail and hasn't looked back since. He tells me he can send to a list of people all in the BCC field with no one in the TO field. Tim -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro Well once my new Mac is delivered (in a week or two) I shall move from OSX 10.1.5 to Jaguar, so maybe I will move back to Mail. I had a lot of problems with Mail quitting unexpectedly over and over again. However I have been trying out Mozilla just lately and am very impressed so far. I have yet to try the Bcc feature though !
Re: Bcc in Email
> I too do have the same problem in that if only the BCC field is entered > with > one or more addresses, then the 'Send Now' and 'Send Later' buttons are > disabled (or greyed out). > > Wonder if you have something else in your Preferences? Ahh, apologies, I thought my buttons were disabled because I don't have any sending accounts set up at the moment (I changed email clients). Which is true, but not the only reason it seems. By way of comparison, if you send a message in Mailsmith with no To address, it puts in a To address as "Recipient List Suppressed" Ryan
Re: Bcc in Email
HI, A friend of mine got frustrated with this 'feature' of Entourage he changed to using OSX Mail and hasn't looked back since. He tells me he can send to a list of people all in the BCC field with no one in the TO field. Tim
Re: Bcc in Email
on 29/4/04 9:28 PM, Craig Ringer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 21:24, Craig Ringer wrote: > >>> My comments is that the Mac versions are always playing 'second fiddle' to >>> the Windows one! > > Sorry, I missed this before. I'd actually say that this behaviour makes > the mac version superior. My mail client (evolution) explains why when I > try to send a message with only Bcc'd recipients: > > "This message contains only Bcc recipients. It is possible that the mail > server may reveal the recipients by adding an Apparently-To header. > Send anyway?" > > It's possible that Outlook is doing something tricky, like automatically > adding your own address to the To: field when sending a Bcc: only > message, but I doubt it. > > Craig Ringer Well said Craig. I take back my comments, humbly Just so used to seeing so many goodies on Windows versions of various applications that I should have given it more thoughts. Must admit that M$Office for the Mac has been very good for me, and am waiting for the next version to compare it with the Win version. Regards, Philippe C
Re: Bcc in Email
On 29/4/04 9:24 PM, "Craig Ringer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 21:12, J Philippe Chaperon wrote: > >> I too do have the same problem in that if only the BCC field is entered with >> one or more addresses, then the 'Send Now' and 'Send Later' buttons are >> disabled (or greyed out). > > At a guess, I'd say you need to enter at least one To: address as well. > This is common in many mail clients. > >> To work around this I have been putting my own address in the 'To' field. > > That's the norm in my experience. > >> My comments is that the Mac versions are always playing 'second fiddle' to >> the Windows one! >> >> Regards, >> >> Philippe >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro However my point was that it is not so with Outlook in Windows. I find this annoying. -- Regards, Stephen Chape
Re: Bcc in Email
On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 21:24, Craig Ringer wrote: > > My comments is that the Mac versions are always playing 'second fiddle' to > > the Windows one! Sorry, I missed this before. I'd actually say that this behaviour makes the mac version superior. My mail client (evolution) explains why when I try to send a message with only Bcc'd recipients: "This message contains only Bcc recipients. It is possible that the mail server may reveal the recipients by adding an Apparently-To header. Send anyway?" It's possible that Outlook is doing something tricky, like automatically adding your own address to the To: field when sending a Bcc: only message, but I doubt it. Craig Ringer
Re: Bcc in Email
On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 21:12, J Philippe Chaperon wrote: > I too do have the same problem in that if only the BCC field is entered with > one or more addresses, then the 'Send Now' and 'Send Later' buttons are > disabled (or greyed out). At a guess, I'd say you need to enter at least one To: address as well. This is common in many mail clients. > To work around this I have been putting my own address in the 'To' field. That's the norm in my experience. > My comments is that the Mac versions are always playing 'second fiddle' to > the Windows one! > > Regards, > > Philippe > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Bcc in Email
On 29/4/04 9:02 PM, "Ryan Schotte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In Entourage at least one address must be in the "To" box for the >> email to be sent (Unless there is some way of doing this that I have >> not yet discovered). > > In my Entourage, in the little panel for entering address I can click in > the region to the right of the "BCC" label, and start entering addresses > there. No need to have anything in the "To" section at all. > > Or you can drag addresses around between sections. > > Hope that helps. > > Ryan > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro Oh by the way Ryan, I received your email twice (both with the same time recorded). -- Regards, Stephen Chape
Re: Bcc in Email
On 29/4/04 9:02 PM, "Ryan Schotte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In Entourage at least one address must be in the "To" box for the >> email to be sent (Unless there is some way of doing this that I have >> not yet discovered). > > In my Entourage, in the little panel for entering address I can click in > the region to the right of the "BCC" label, and start entering addresses > there. No need to have anything in the "To" section at all. > > Or you can drag addresses around between sections. > > Hope that helps. > > Ryan > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro Strange ! If I type addresses in the area you mention (to the right of Bcc), but none in the "To" box, the "Send Now" button is greyed out so it cannot be sent. Same thing if I drag addresses from Address Book into the "Bcc" box, but place none in the "To" box. -- Regards, Stephen Chape
Re: Bcc in Email
on 29/4/04 9:02 PM, Ryan Schotte at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In Entourage at least one address must be in the "To" box for the >> email to be sent (Unless there is some way of doing this that I have >> not yet discovered). > > In my Entourage, in the little panel for entering address I can click in > the region to the right of the "BCC" label, and start entering addresses > there. No need to have anything in the "To" section at all. > > Or you can drag addresses around between sections. > > Hope that helps. > > Ryan Hi Ryan, I too do have the same problem in that if only the BCC field is entered with one or more addresses, then the 'Send Now' and 'Send Later' buttons are disabled (or greyed out). Wonder if you have something else in your Preferences? To work around this I have been putting my own address in the 'To' field. My comments is that the Mac versions are always playing 'second fiddle' to the Windows one! Regards, Philippe
Re: Bcc in Email
> In Entourage at least one address must be in the "To" box for the > email to be sent (Unless there is some way of doing this that I have > not yet discovered). In my Entourage, in the little panel for entering address I can click in the region to the right of the "BCC" label, and start entering addresses there. No need to have anything in the "To" section at all. Or you can drag addresses around between sections. Hope that helps. Ryan
Re: Bcc in Email
> In Entourage at least one address must be in the "To" box for the > email to be sent (Unless there is some way of doing this that I have > not yet discovered). In my Entourage, in the little panel for entering address I can click in the region to the right of the "BCC" label, and start entering addresses there. No need to have anything in the "To" section at all. Or you can drag addresses around between sections. Hope that helps. Ryan
Bcc in Email
Hi there folks, Something that has made me curious for some time ! In Outlook on a Windows PC (sorry - my employer doesn't know any better) an email can be sent to to multiple recipients by placing all the addresses in the "Bcc" box. In Entourage at least one address must be in the "To" box for the email to be sent (Unless there is some way of doing this that I have not yet discovered). Why is this so ? Considering that both applications are produced by Microsoft for the same purpose. -- Regards, Stephen Chape
