Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Bill Parker]

Neither.  But I would use Nuance in preference, Dictation is too slow and I can 
type more accurately
B
> On 20 Apr 2016, at 17:07, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Did you use Mac Dictation or Nuance for your email?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20 Apr 2016, at 4:23 PM, Bill Parker  > wrote:
> 
>> I use Nuance Dragon.  If I needed “enjo” I would not say en yo.rather en jo 
>> and correct the result.  However if I wanted to write a chemical word I 
>> would split it up.  However, Mac Diustation is so slow and makes so many 
>> mistakes I cannot use it.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Apr 2016, at 18:48, gdorn@me > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can dictation  "learn" words
>>> 
>>> in appleworks, I use to be able to add words to dictionary  - ie English 
>>> spelling
>>> 
>>> Does dictation have a similar capability.
>>> 
>>> Eg.  try saying  " Enjo" and see what you get  ( we usually get " you know"
>>> 
>>> chow
>>> 
>>> gdorn
>>> gd...@mac.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 14/04/2016, at 10:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kaye,
 
 Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
 To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation 
 (press fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”
 
 When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
 interpret it as dictation.
 
 Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the 
 list to the left. 
 Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
 option. 
 Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:29 AM, kaye and geoff > wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation 
> under El Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the 
> spoken request "Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no 
> commands listed. She normally dictates in French, but we switched to 
> English (and to Spanish) and tried them with the same result. Dictation 
> continues to work - it responds to the spoken commands and produces 
> documents from spoken dictation in all three languages - but she can no 
> longer get a list of the commands available to be recognised.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start 
> looking to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything 
> that may have caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her 
> settings that could turn off displaying the commands.
> 
> Cheers, Kaye
> 
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au 
> 
 
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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Michael Hawkins]

Bill,

Did you use Mac Dictation or Nuance for your email?

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Apr 2016, at 4:23 PM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> I use Nuance Dragon.  If I needed “enjo” I would not say en yo.rather en jo 
> and correct the result.  However if I wanted to write a chemical word I would 
> split it up.  However, Mac Diustation is so slow and makes so many mistakes I 
> cannot use it.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
>> On 14 Apr 2016, at 18:48, gdorn@me  wrote:
>> 
>> Can dictation  "learn" words
>> 
>> in appleworks, I use to be able to add words to dictionary  - ie English 
>> spelling
>> 
>> Does dictation have a similar capability.
>> 
>> Eg.  try saying  " Enjo" and see what you get  ( we usually get " you know"
>> 
>> chow
>> 
>> gdorn
>> gd...@mac.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14/04/2016, at 10:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kaye,
>>> 
>>> Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
>>> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press 
>>> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”
>>> 
>>> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
>>> interpret it as dictation.
>>> 
>>> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the 
>>> list to the left. 
>>> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
>>> option. 
>>> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:29 AM, kaye and geoff  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation 
 under El Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the 
 spoken request "Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands 
 listed. She normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and 
 to Spanish) and tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to 
 work - it responds to the spoken commands and produces documents from 
 spoken dictation in all three languages - but she can no longer get a list 
 of the commands available to be recognised.
 
 Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start 
 looking to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything 
 that may have caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her 
 settings that could turn off displaying the commands.
 
 Cheers, Kaye
 
 Kaye and Geoff
 k...@kgweb.org.au
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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Bill Parker]

I use Nuance Dragon.  If I needed “enjo” I would not say en yo.rather en jo and 
correct the result.  However if I wanted to write a chemical word I would split 
it up.  However, Mac Diustation is so slow and makes so many mistakes I cannot 
use it.

Bill


> On 14 Apr 2016, at 18:48, gdorn@me  wrote:
> 
> Can dictation  "learn" words
> 
> in appleworks, I use to be able to add words to dictionary  - ie English 
> spelling
> 
> Does dictation have a similar capability.
> 
> Eg.  try saying  " Enjo" and see what you get  ( we usually get " you know"
> 
> chow
> 
> gdorn
> gd...@mac.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/04/2016, at 10:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kaye,
>> 
>> Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
>> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press 
>> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”
>> 
>> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
>> interpret it as dictation.
>> 
>> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list 
>> to the left. 
>> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
>> option. 
>> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:29 AM, kaye and geoff > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation under 
>>> El Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the spoken 
>>> request "Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands listed. 
>>> She normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and to 
>>> Spanish) and tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to work - 
>>> it responds to the spoken commands and produces documents from spoken 
>>> dictation in all three languages - but she can no longer get a list of the 
>>> commands available to be recognised.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start 
>>> looking to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything 
>>> that may have caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her settings 
>>> that could turn off displaying the commands.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Kaye
>>> 
>>> Kaye and Geoff
>>> k...@kgweb.org.au 
>>> 
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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[gdorn@me]

Can dictation  "learn" words

in appleworks, I use to be able to add words to dictionary  - ie English 
spelling

Does dictation have a similar capability.

Eg.  try saying  " Enjo" and see what you get  ( we usually get " you know"

chow

gdorn
gd...@mac.com



On 14/04/2016, at 10:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Kaye,
> 
> Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press 
> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”
> 
> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
> interpret it as dictation.
> 
> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list 
> to the left. 
> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
> option. 
> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:29 AM, kaye and geoff  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation under 
>> El Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the spoken 
>> request "Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands listed. 
>> She normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and to Spanish) 
>> and tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to work - it 
>> responds to the spoken commands and produces documents from spoken dictation 
>> in all three languages - but she can no longer get a list of the commands 
>> available to be recognised.
>> 
>> Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start 
>> looking to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything that 
>> may have caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her settings that 
>> could turn off displaying the commands.
>> 
>> Cheers, Kaye
>> 
>> Kaye and Geoff
>> k...@kgweb.org.au
>> 
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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[kaye and geoff]

Hi Neil,

> I have occasionally had problems (various) where things weren’t working as 
> expected and found that relaunching finder restored order.
> Of course, rebooting the machine would be a more forceful way of achieving 
> the same.
> But you have probably done the usual of rebooting the machine, seeing if the 
> problem is there on another user account, etc?


Yes - it has been rebooted a number of times, but thanks for the suggestion. I 
have finally found a reference to other people experiencing an empty command 
list when using dictation on an Apple Support page, but that forum only had 
people with the problem, and no proffered solution. I'll think about it. My 
friend is going up to Perth some time; its a Mac air, so she can take the 
machine into the Apple store and see if they can sort it out.

Cheers, K

Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Kaye,

I don¹t use dictation and this is probably a VERY long shot ;o)

I have occasionally had problems (various) where things weren¹t working as
expected and found that relaunching finder restored order.

Of course, rebooting the machine would be a more forceful way of achieving
the same.

But you have probably done the usual of rebooting the machine, seeing if the
problem is there on another user account, etc?


Cheers



Neil
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com






on 14/4/16 10:58, kaye and geoff at k...@kgweb.org.au wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
>> Is she trying to access the ³show Commands² this way?
>> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press
>> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say ³Show commands²
> 
> Yes - she is familiar with using Dictation and has previously been able to see
> commands by doing it this way - now all she gets is an empty (formatted) page
> - no commands are listed
> 
>> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may
>> interpret it as dictation.
> 
> Not an issue
> 
>> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list
>> to the left. 
>> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands'
>> option. 
>> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.
> 
> She has been using the Advanced Commands mode for some months now and it has
> always shown her a list of commands when asked to do so - now it just shows
> the empty page. 
> 
> She is able to use Dictation without trouble; the commands all work, even
> "Show commands" - it is just the response to the "Show commands" request that
> has changed. This is true for the Finder, Pages, and Mail - all places where
> you would expect to see a list of commands applicable to the current program.
> It happens for English, French and Spanish (using the equivalent commands to
> show the list).
> 
> I haven't been able to find any reported problem like this in other Mac
> forums.
> 
> Cheers, K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au
> 

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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[kaye and geoff]

Hi Ronni,

> Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press 
> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”

Yes - she is familiar with using Dictation and has previously been able to see 
commands by doing it this way - now all she gets is an empty (formatted) page - 
no commands are listed

> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
> interpret it as dictation.

Not an issue

> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list 
> to the left. 
> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
> option. 
> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.

She has been using the Advanced Commands mode for some months now and it has 
always shown her a list of commands when asked to do so - now it just shows the 
empty page. 

She is able to use Dictation without trouble; the commands all work, even "Show 
commands" - it is just the response to the "Show commands" request that has 
changed. This is true for the Finder, Pages, and Mail - all places where you 
would expect to see a list of commands applicable to the current program. It 
happens for English, French and Spanish (using the equivalent commands to show 
the list).

I haven't been able to find any reported problem like this in other Mac forums.

Cheers, K




Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Kaye,

Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press fn 
fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”

When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
interpret it as dictation.

Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list to 
the left. 
Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
option. 
Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:29 AM, kaye and geoff > wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation under 
> El Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the spoken request 
> "Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands listed. She 
> normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and to Spanish) and 
> tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to work - it responds to 
> the spoken commands and produces documents from spoken dictation in all three 
> languages - but she can no longer get a list of the commands available to be 
> recognised.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start 
> looking to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything that 
> may have caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her settings that 
> could turn off displaying the commands.
> 
> Cheers, Kaye
> 
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au 
> 

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Dictation not showing command list

[kaye and geoff]

Hi,

I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation under El 
Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the spoken request 
"Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands listed. She 
normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and to Spanish) and 
tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to work - it responds to 
the spoken commands and produces documents from spoken dictation in all three 
languages - but she can no longer get a list of the commands available to be 
recognised.

Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start looking 
to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything that may have 
caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her settings that could turn 
off displaying the commands.

Cheers, Kaye

Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





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