Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hi Eugene and WAMUGgers Hi All MacEdders Go to http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa? threadID=1751964tstart=0 and enter the discussion. There are over 15000 entries currently, Reg On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 am, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene Disclaimer: This message and any attached files may contain information that is confidential intended for the named recipient/s named only. If you are not an intended recipient/s or the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient/s, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use, disclosure, copying, circulation, forwarding, printing or publication of this message or the attached files is strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information contained therein. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies from your computer system, including attachments and your reply email. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook - Jobs responds
Well well ... Apple have released an update ... The Migration and DVD/ CD Sharing Update is recommended for all users. It provides enhanced customization capabilities and improved performance for migration over FireWire, Ethernet and wireless networks. see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3174?locale=en_AU more details. Cheers, Peder On 17/10/2008, at 12:59 , Warren Jones wrote: In one of his characteristically terse email replies, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs has reportedly told one Mac user that changes in video camera technology have reduced the need for FireWire on his company's 13-inch MacBooks. continues at... http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/16/jobs_responds_to_outrage_over_macbooks_missing_firewire.html Woz -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene Disclaimer: This message and any attached files may contain information that is confidential intended for the named recipient/s named only. If you are not an intended recipient/s or the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient/s, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use, disclosure, copying, circulation, forwarding, printing or publication of this message or the attached files is strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information contained therein. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies from your computer system, including attachments and your reply email. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Secker (Ba. Bus. IS/IP, ECU) User Support Officer Laboratory Manager Business School IT Services The University of Western Australia - CRICOS provider number 00126G M261 35 Stirling Highway, Crawley 6009 Phone 6488 1855, Fax 6488 1055, -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hi Ronni Thanks for the info on the apple threads. that is amazing! Big mistake by Apple My 15 MacBook Pro will be with me for quite awhile regards to all chris On 16/10/2008, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hi Chris, Apple are not keeping up with the deleting ... there is a lot of discussion on the Apple Discussions. http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?objID=c1search=Goq=no+firewire+ports+on+new+MacBooks Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 3:38 PM, Chris Burton wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for the info on the apple threads. that is amazing! Big mistake by Apple My 15 MacBook Pro will be with me for quite awhile regards to all chris On 16/10/2008, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hi All I would suggest that if it is an issue you all add your comments on the Apple Discussions boards and perhaps email Garner here in Apple Perth? regards Roger On Thu Oct 16 15:41 , Ronda Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Chris, Apple are not keeping up with the deleting ... there is a lot of discussion on the Apple Discussions. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 3:38 PM, Chris Burton wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for the info on the apple threads. that is amazing! Big mistake by Apple My 15 MacBook Pro will be with me for quite awhile regards to all chris On 16/10/2008, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php\?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hehe... Why? It's not going to get firewire re-instated! Apple never reverse course on these things - that would be akin to the Jobster admitting he had made a mistake! Just my 5c worth :) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16/10/08 3:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I would suggest that if it is an issue you all add your comments on the Apple Discussions boards and perhaps email Garner here in Apple Perth? regards Roger On Thu Oct 16 15:41 , Ronda Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Chris, Apple are not keeping up with the deleting ... there is a lot of discussion on the Apple Discussions. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 3:38 PM, Chris Burton wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for the info on the apple threads. that is amazing! Big mistake by Apple My 15 MacBook Pro will be with me for quite awhile regards to all chris On 16/10/2008, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php\?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. -- -- I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
No maybe not but you might stop it being removed from the MacPros next time! On Thu Oct 16 15:59 , Neil Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hehe... Why? It's not going to get firewire re-instated! Apple never reverse course on these things - that would be akin to the Jobster admitting he had made a mistake! Just my 5c worth :) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16/10/08 3:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I would suggest that if it is an issue you all add your comments on the Apple Discussions boards and perhaps email Garner here in Apple Perth? regards Roger On Thu Oct 16 15:41 , Ronda Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Chris, Apple are not keeping up with the deleting ... there is a lot of discussion on the Apple Discussions. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 3:38 PM, Chris Burton wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for the info on the apple threads. that is amazing! Big mistake by Apple My 15 MacBook Pro will be with me for quite awhile regards to all chris On 16/10/2008, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php\?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. -- -- I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Yes Apple do some damn wonderful things. And they also do some damn stupid things. Removing firewire is ridiculous for many reasons. Maybe they're abandoning it for USB 3 eventually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#USB_3.0 (though I'd say USB3 will not have some of the features of FW that make it great) Maybe they're just cheap. Maybe their research indicated no-one used FW on a MB. Maybe they just can't afford the 25c per port fee to the inventors ;-) Maybe I don't have Steve Jobs' vision. and FW800 only in the MBP?? and no included FW400 convertor. In any case they're futzing with an important part of the IT AV industries. They *should* come clean as to their intentions and future for firewire. My other gripes regarding the latest laptop announcements... Keyboards: I like the full size, concave keys on my current Powerbook. I'm not sure about the toy keyboard with flat key tops and spaces. But maybe I could learn to live with it. Glossy display only - no matte - yuk. Price: Yeah, yeah, falling Aussie dollar, hard economic times. MBPs start at $US1999 in US and $3199 in Aus. No included video connection adapters US$1999 = A$3000.60 (as of today) and add 10% GST = $3300 which means it's not too bad at the moment. But normally Apple Aus hedges the currency fairly strongly in its favour and seems to rarely alter prices to reflect a strengthening A$. Though even in the US, people are complaining about the prices. Maybe Apple are counting on their increasing market share to justify their prices (whatever the market can bear) I normally hate comparing too much Apples with oranges, but other manufacturers seem to make, import and sell similar specced laptops at half Apple's price. And I won't even mention LCD displays. Sure they don't have quite the style or the OS. Huge number of gripes at http://forums.mactalk.com.au/29/59835-new-macbook-event-aftermath.html /gripes woz -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
On 16/10/2008 4:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No maybe not but you might stop it being removed from the MacPros next time! FireWire 800 was removed from the first MacBook Pros but reappeared in the second revision. FireWire may well reappear in the next revision. Have fun, Shay (awaiting FireWire 3200 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/1394-trade-association-announces-firewire-3200,4566.html) -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer There are many worlds and many Opinions for hire [POQ] tales, but not much time http://public.xdi.org/=Shayfnord - Roland of Gilead -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
hi Warren bear in mind with all your comments, apples are much cheaper than a few years ago, but if you go through the news groups letter collection - who has big problems - all the ones who are using the cheaper apples (imac, ibook more) but how many powerbooks failed?? my powerbook g4 17 (A$6000.- inJan 04) is still doing an exellent job.i think it's the last quality built computer made by apple if you want cheap stuff from apple it will go the same way as the machines on the darker side removing firewire can cause havock with professionals in the audio video industry, they suddenly cannot connect their drives anymore..like myself i would have to change to the dark side because everything is cheaper in that way you can spend money for adaptors/converters to reuse the fw-drives cheers James On 16/10/2008, at 16:34, Warren Jones wrote: Yes Apple do some damn wonderful things. And they also do some damn stupid things. Removing firewire is ridiculous for many reasons. Maybe they're abandoning it for USB 3 eventually. http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#USB_3.0 (though I'd say USB3 will not have some of the features of FW that make it great) Maybe they're just cheap. Maybe their research indicated no-one used FW on a MB. Maybe they just can't afford the 25c per port fee to the inventors ;-) Maybe I don't have Steve Jobs' vision. and FW800 only in the MBP?? and no included FW400 convertor. In any case they're futzing with an important part of the IT AV industries. They *should* come clean as to their intentions and future for firewire. SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas skype: barleeway -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook
Hi All, There has been a lot of discussion re the removal of the FireWire port on the new MacBook. Well, here is a link to MacFixIt page that gives some options to the different problems, like TargerDisk and attaching FireWire devices: http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20081015220226873 Not as flash as having a genuine FireWire port but it may be of help. Cheers, Peder On 16/10/2008, at 15:41 , Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Chris, Apple are not keeping up with the deleting ... there is a lot of discussion on the Apple Discussions. http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?objID=c1search=Goq=no+firewire+ports+on+new+MacBooks Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 3:38 PM, Chris Burton wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for the info on the apple threads. that is amazing! Big mistake by Apple My 15 MacBook Pro will be with me for quite awhile regards to all chris On 16/10/2008, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi People, Apple have been deleting any threads on this subject on the Apple Discussion Boards. MacFixit has this to say: FireWire omission on new MacBooks a troubleshooting, iMove nightmare; Apple censors threads - http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20081014223302211 (Alert Trigger: Late-Breakers) Apple's omission of a FireWire port on the new Aluminum (Late 2008) MacBooks is stirring discontent among MacFIxIt readers and on Apple's discussion boards.As written by one MacFixIt reader:What is Apple thinking? Where is the FireWire port? How are we going to do target firewire mode?Indeed, the elimination of FireWire target disk mode leaves a huge troubleshooting gap. Many users utilize FireWire target disk mode to diagnose issues, retrieve files from otherwise defunct computers, run disk repairs while booted from another drive in lieu of a Mac OS X startup disc and perform other procedures.Apple is now removing threads on its own discussion boards that mention the lack of FireWire connectivity on the new MacBooks. MacFixIt reader Scott Rose writes:Apparently, Apple doesn't want anybody talking about the lack of FireWire ports on the new MacBooks, because they keep deleting every thread that people are posting about the lack of FireWire ports on the New MacBooks! I was participating in 3 different threads on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding the lack of FireWire from the new MacBooks, and Apple has removed every single thread regarding this topic. There are no threads left on the Apple Discussion Boards regarding this issue!The elimination of FireWire also spells trouble for iMovie users, who will no longer be able to directly connect cameras that use the protocol. The new MacBooks still ship with iMovie, but Apple apparently expects users to work with a USB-capable camera or import data to another system first.An Apple employee posting on the company's discussion boards says that USB is the preferred interface for iMovie '08.There are limited USB-to-FireWire converters, but most don't provide power or 6-pin connectivity. I honestly don't know ... what were Apple thinking, taking Firewire away seems ridiculous to me. I'll be keeping my 17 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz with its Firewire Port that has a 6 Port Firewire Hub connected. Cheers, Ronni On 16/10/2008, at 2:18 PM, Mark Secker wrote: err. do what Apple obviously want you to do and buy the MacBook Pros (and a FW800-FW400 cable/port adaptor)... apart from that... not much... really. Given how there was much rejoicing when Apple put the firewire ports on to the later model iBooks and carried them over to the non Pro model MacBooks the latest change is a real step back... honestly if they wanted to move on from FW400 I'm sure they could have replaced it with a FW800 in the lower end MacBooks. On 16/10/2008, at 11:24 AM, Eugene wrote: Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewire on a MacBook - Jobs responds
In one of his characteristically terse email replies, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs has reportedly told one Mac user that changes in video camera technology have reduced the need for FireWire on his company's 13-inch MacBooks. continues at... http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/16/jobs_responds_to_outrage_over_macbooks_missing_firewire.html Woz -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firewire on a MacBook
Hi all, now that Apple has decided to forgo the Firewire port on the MacBook is anyone aware of a solution to transfer video from a video camera with firewire out to one of these new MacBooks? Is there any adaptors / methods that can do this? We have half a dozen of these cameras and don't want to discard them just because Apple has gone cheap on us.. Regards, Eugene Disclaimer: This message and any attached files may contain information that is confidential intended for the named recipient/s named only. If you are not an intended recipient/s or the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient/s, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use, disclosure, copying, circulation, forwarding, printing or publication of this message or the attached files is strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information contained therein. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies from your computer system, including attachments and your reply email. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
