Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rick,

There is still only 8 Protected Fonts in Lion:
Geneva.dfont ; Helvetica.dfont ; HelveticaNeue.dfont ; HelveticaNeueDeskUI.ttc 
; Keyboard.ttf ; LastResort.ttf ; LucidaGrande.ttc & Monaco.dfont

Cheers,
Ronni

On 29/06/2012, at 9:15 AM, Rick Armstrong wrote:

> Thanks Rhonda, I don't want to deviate from an OS that is OK as I am still 
> getting accustomed to Lion. I remember in classic we only had a handful of 
> system fonts.
> 
> On 29/06/2012, at 9:05 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> 
>> Before you try this below be warned Apple do NOT recommend tampering with 
>> System Fonts and I take no responsibility if you decide to do this.
>> 
>> You have not mentioned what OS X you are running. This article was written 
>> for Snow Leopard, but would apply to Lion as well.
>> --
>> /Quote:
>> 
>> SNOW LEOPARD, ADOBE INDESIGN AND HELVETICA NEUE:
>> 
>> "For those who want to keep using their old PostScript fonts in InDesign, 
>> there is an additional option. Replacing the .ttc version with the dfont 
>> version that shipped with Leopard. But to so that we need to perform some 
>> Voodoo.
>> 
>> How to Disable Protected Fonts:
>> 
>> We mentioned earlier that Mac OS X 10.5 up had a feature called Protected 
>> Fonts. To disable Protected Fonts for HelveticaNeue.ttc first need to 
>> navigate to the folder listed below:
>> 
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ProtectedFonts/
>> 
>> and remove the HelveticaNeue.ttc font. I suggest archiving it in case you 
>> need to replace it in the future.
>> 
>> What you are doing is breaking the system’s ability to repair itself in the 
>> event System fonts become damaged or are deleted in error. This operation is 
>> not recommended by Apple.
>> 
>> Then drag the HelveticaNeue.dfont to the /System/Library/Fonts folder. You 
>> may receive an alert that the font conflicts with a font already installed. 
>> Allow the conflict.
>> 
>> Then remove HelveticaNeue.ttc font. You may receive an alert from the system 
>> that the font is necessary to the operation of the OS and that it will be 
>> restored. However, we have disabled this capability so it should not be able 
>> to do this.
>> 
>> I suggest that after doing this you clear your caches. This is not always 
>> necessary, but it might prevent another reboot if you have cache issues on 
>> restart.
>> 
>> To clear Snow Leopard system font caches, open Terminal 
>> (/Applications/Utilities/Terminal). Then copy and paste the line below into 
>> Terminal, then hit return.
>> 
>> sudo atsutil databases -removeUser
>> 
>> You will be prompted to enter your password. Type your password and hit 
>> return.
>> 
>> After the command has run, reboot.
>> 
>> These instructions are similar to what was done on System 10.5 to replace 
>> the Helvetica.dfont (and other system fonts) with a user preferred version, 
>> so this is not altogether uncharted territory. However, when you perform 
>> this you are doing so at your own peril.
>> 
>> The HelveticaNeue.dfont should be an adequate replacement for those apps 
>> that need it for their interface elements.
>> 
>> This does not solve the HelveticaNeue system font conflict, but from what I 
>> have seen, the environment will appear as it did in Leopard. And your 
>> Helvetica Neue PostScript fonts will be listed as they were in Leopard, at 
>> least when it comes to Adobe InDesign."
>> 
>> /End Quote
>> 
>> The full article can be found at this link: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>> 
>> OS X 10.7.4 Lion
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
>>> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
>>> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
>>> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
>>> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
>>> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but 
>>> it conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
>>> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
>>> Thanks, Rick

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Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Rick Armstrong]

Thanks Rhonda, I don't want to deviate from an OS that is OK as I am still 
getting accustomed to Lion. I remember in classic we only had a handful of 
system fonts.

On 29/06/2012, at 9:05 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Rick,
> 
> Before you try this below be warned Apple do NOT recommend tampering with 
> System Fonts and I take no responsibility if you decide to do this.
> 
> You have not mentioned what OS X you are running. This article was written 
> for Snow Leopard, but would apply to Lion as well.
> --
> /Quote:
> 
> SNOW LEOPARD, ADOBE INDESIGN AND HELVETICA NEUE:
> 
> "For those who want to keep using their old PostScript fonts in InDesign, 
> there is an additional option. Replacing the .ttc version with the dfont 
> version that shipped with Leopard. But to so that we need to perform some 
> Voodoo.
> 
> How to Disable Protected Fonts:
> 
> We mentioned earlier that Mac OS X 10.5 up had a feature called Protected 
> Fonts. To disable Protected Fonts for HelveticaNeue.ttc first need to 
> navigate to the folder listed below:
> 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ProtectedFonts/
> 
> and remove the HelveticaNeue.ttc font. I suggest archiving it in case you 
> need to replace it in the future.
> 
> What you are doing is breaking the system’s ability to repair itself in the 
> event System fonts become damaged or are deleted in error. This operation is 
> not recommended by Apple.
> 
> Then drag the HelveticaNeue.dfont to the /System/Library/Fonts folder. You 
> may receive an alert that the font conflicts with a font already installed. 
> Allow the conflict.
> 
> Then remove HelveticaNeue.ttc font. You may receive an alert from the system 
> that the font is necessary to the operation of the OS and that it will be 
> restored. However, we have disabled this capability so it should not be able 
> to do this.
> 
> I suggest that after doing this you clear your caches. This is not always 
> necessary, but it might prevent another reboot if you have cache issues on 
> restart.
> 
> To clear Snow Leopard system font caches, open Terminal 
> (/Applications/Utilities/Terminal). Then copy and paste the line below into 
> Terminal, then hit return.
> 
> sudo atsutil databases -removeUser
> 
> You will be prompted to enter your password. Type your password and hit 
> return.
> 
> After the command has run, reboot.
> 
> These instructions are similar to what was done on System 10.5 to replace the 
> Helvetica.dfont (and other system fonts) with a user preferred version, so 
> this is not altogether uncharted territory. However, when you perform this 
> you are doing so at your own peril.
> 
> The HelveticaNeue.dfont should be an adequate replacement for those apps that 
> need it for their interface elements.
> 
> This does not solve the HelveticaNeue system font conflict, but from what I 
> have seen, the environment will appear as it did in Leopard. And your 
> Helvetica Neue PostScript fonts will be listed as they were in Leopard, at 
> least when it comes to Adobe InDesign."
> 
> /End Quote
> 
> The full article can be found at this link: 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.7.4 Lion
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
>> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
>> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
>> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
>> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
>> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but 
>> it conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
>> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
>> Thanks, Rick
>> 
> 
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Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rick,

Before you try this below be warned Apple do NOT recommend tampering with 
System Fonts and I take no responsibility if you decide to do this.

You have not mentioned what OS X you are running. This article was written for 
Snow Leopard, but would apply to Lion as well.
--
/Quote:

SNOW LEOPARD, ADOBE INDESIGN AND HELVETICA NEUE:

"For those who want to keep using their old PostScript fonts in InDesign, there 
is an additional option. Replacing the .ttc version with the dfont version that 
shipped with Leopard. But to so that we need to perform some Voodoo.

How to Disable Protected Fonts:

We mentioned earlier that Mac OS X 10.5 up had a feature called Protected 
Fonts. To disable Protected Fonts for HelveticaNeue.ttc first need to navigate 
to the folder listed below:

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ProtectedFonts/

and remove the HelveticaNeue.ttc font. I suggest archiving it in case you need 
to replace it in the future.

What you are doing is breaking the system’s ability to repair itself in the 
event System fonts become damaged or are deleted in error. This operation is 
not recommended by Apple.

Then drag the HelveticaNeue.dfont to the /System/Library/Fonts folder. You may 
receive an alert that the font conflicts with a font already installed. Allow 
the conflict.

Then remove HelveticaNeue.ttc font. You may receive an alert from the system 
that the font is necessary to the operation of the OS and that it will be 
restored. However, we have disabled this capability so it should not be able to 
do this.

I suggest that after doing this you clear your caches. This is not always 
necessary, but it might prevent another reboot if you have cache issues on 
restart.

To clear Snow Leopard system font caches, open Terminal 
(/Applications/Utilities/Terminal). Then copy and paste the line below into 
Terminal, then hit return.

sudo atsutil databases -removeUser

You will be prompted to enter your password. Type your password and hit return.

After the command has run, reboot.

These instructions are similar to what was done on System 10.5 to replace the 
Helvetica.dfont (and other system fonts) with a user preferred version, so this 
is not altogether uncharted territory. However, when you perform this you are 
doing so at your own peril.

The HelveticaNeue.dfont should be an adequate replacement for those apps that 
need it for their interface elements.

This does not solve the HelveticaNeue system font conflict, but from what I 
have seen, the environment will appear as it did in Leopard. And your Helvetica 
Neue PostScript fonts will be listed as they were in Leopard, at least when it 
comes to Adobe InDesign."

/End Quote

The full article can be found at this link: 



Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.4 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

















On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it 
> conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
> Thanks, Rick
> 

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Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Rick Armstrong]

Thanks Peter, It's just that there are a couple of weights missing from the 
system font Helvetica Neue, a little bit untidy if I load these separately, I 
don't think I want to spend $150.00 on Suitcase, when I had spent more then 
that in the past on Suitcase when postscript was king, I can't even use that 
very old licenced version of suitcase to upgrade.

On 29/06/2012, at 7:44 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:

> 
> On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
>> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
>> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
>> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
>> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
>> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but 
>> it conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
>> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
>> Thanks, Rick
>> 
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> 
> If you were using a full Cocoa-based application, this could be handled 
> easily with Font Book, but InDesign does not use Mac OS X's built-in font 
> management. Part of the problem is that Helvetica Neue is a System Font (ie, 
> installed at the System level of the font structure, and as such cannot be 
> disabled in Font Book).
> 
> Your only choices are to 
> 
> 1. use a third party font manager, or perhaps more simply, 
> 
> 2. create paragraph and character styles in InDesign based on the Adobe 
> versions of Helvetica Neue and stick to those, pretty much ignoring the the 
> Font Menu at all times.  
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it 
> conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
> Thanks, Rick
> 
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If you were using a full Cocoa-based application, this could be handled easily 
with Font Book, but InDesign does not use Mac OS X's built-in font management. 
Part of the problem is that Helvetica Neue is a System Font (ie, installed at 
the System level of the font structure, and as such cannot be disabled in Font 
Book).

Your only choices are to 

1. use a third party font manager, or perhaps more simply, 

2. create paragraph and character styles in InDesign based on the Adobe 
versions of Helvetica Neue and stick to those, pretty much ignoring the the 
Font Menu at all times.  

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Fonts in Font Book

[Chris Griffiths]

Have you considered a font manager such as Suitcase. I run this manager 
(Suitcase 4) and it works flawlessly. I think it's only $130 or something like 
that.

I tested running Helv Neue Light overriding the system font and it works fine. 
I don't think it can be done with font book.

Otherwise, I have heard that you can write a script to deactivate the system 
font but I don't know how to do this. …Others might!

Chris Griffiths
Mac lover



On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote:

> Hi,
> I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing 
> Helvetica Neue Font (True Type)
> My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
> Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
> OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
> This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it 
> conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
> Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
> Thanks, Rick
> 
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Fonts in Font Book

[Rick Armstrong]

Hi,
I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing Helvetica 
Neue Font (True Type)
My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute 
Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light.
OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document.
This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it 
conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type)
Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black.
Thanks, Rick

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