Re: Kelly and Mark and Spam
On 4/9/03 7:02 AM, Bill Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:55:34 +0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kelly=20Duffy?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spam Legalities Hi all, This is slightly off topic however I remember a while back where a spammer from a Biomedic Therapies business harvested the groups email addresses. I also remember a few people on the list were researching spam and working towards finding ways to prevent it and all that. I c SNIP ather addresses and what can be done, legal issues that the company could face and things like that. Its something I'd like to do something about. Thanks for bothering with my rant. Kelly Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:24:32 +0800 From: Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spam Legalities Hi all, This is slightly off topic however I remember a while back where a spammer from a Biomedic Therapies OK... if these are the same as we've been receiving then they are probably been sent via a worm similar to so-big. the addresses in the from field are not the people sending them just people you have a degree or two of separation from - so there's no point sending the e-mail back to them because it's not only not them that sending it but it's not even there machine that's infected with the e-mail worm. NEVER -EVER click on the unsubscribe or opt out -you will end up with more spam because this is 99% of the time used to ensure that the hashed or guessed address (yours) is real and there for it's like the computer says hey we have a live one and this address will be flagged for more spam. They had on one of the ABC national shows an interview with some spam research people who set up a mail server with some dummy accounts that were never used (never sent mail never received mail) and with in days these mailboxes were been flood with spam, when they contacted the spammer (a known spammer who sends about 80 _million_ spam emails a day) he swore scouts honor that each and every single one of the account's users had signed up or opted in to receive these messages. When the researchers used the dummy accounts to select the opt out option they simply ended up with a massive increase in spam rather than a decrease. I use Spamfire (Matterform Media), and it collects up all the usual rubbish for me to see (if I want to) and I then have three options, delete without reference, find the web bugs and send them a sanitised response every few seconds for as long as I have IE running or just bounce. In this respect Mark is not quite correct, the two degree sep messages don't get bounced but about 60 -70% actually do. But in the end I suspect all I am getting is a good feeling. Indeed, there is a menu item Revenge. Now my own question is that with the huge volume of Re Your Details etc traffic, is there not something common to all those messages that ISPs could detect and kill before they get through? Does a .PIF file have any useful purpose? Bill I don't understand ! Can't you do all this with your email application? Why purchase more software? -- Regards, Stephen Chape
Kelly and Mark and Spam
-- Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:55:34 +0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kelly=20Duffy?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spam Legalities Hi all, This is slightly off topic however I remember a while back where a spammer from a Biomedic Therapies business harvested the groups email addresses. I also remember a few people on the list were researching spam and working towards finding ways to prevent it and all that. I c SNIP ather addresses and what can be done, legal issues that the company could face and things like that. Its something I'd like to do something about. Thanks for bothering with my rant. Kelly Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:24:32 +0800 From: Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spam Legalities Hi all, This is slightly off topic however I remember a while back where a spammer from a Biomedic Therapies OK... if these are the same as we've been receiving then they are probably been sent via a worm similar to so-big. the addresses in the from field are not the people sending them just people you have a degree or two of separation from - so there's no point sending the e-mail back to them because it's not only not them that sending it but it's not even there machine that's infected with the e-mail worm. NEVER -EVER click on the unsubscribe or opt out -you will end up with more spam because this is 99% of the time used to ensure that the hashed or guessed address (yours) is real and there for it's like the computer says hey we have a live one and this address will be flagged for more spam. They had on one of the ABC national shows an interview with some spam research people who set up a mail server with some dummy accounts that were never used (never sent mail never received mail) and with in days these mailboxes were been flood with spam, when they contacted the spammer (a known spammer who sends about 80 _million_ spam emails a day) he swore scouts honor that each and every single one of the account's users had signed up or opted in to receive these messages. When the researchers used the dummy accounts to select the opt out option they simply ended up with a massive increase in spam rather than a decrease. I use Spamfire (Matterform Media), and it collects up all the usual rubbish for me to see (if I want to) and I then have three options, delete without reference, find the web bugs and send them a sanitised response every few seconds for as long as I have IE running or just bounce. In this respect Mark is not quite correct, the two degree sep messages don't get bounced but about 60 -70% actually do. But in the end I suspect all I am getting is a good feeling. Indeed, there is a menu item Revenge. Now my own question is that with the huge volume of Re Your Details etc traffic, is there not something common to all those messages that ISPs could detect and kill before they get through? Does a .PIF file have any useful purpose? Bill -- Dr Bill Parker RENEW - Scientific and Technical writing editing in energy and resources. Box 322 Mt Lawley WA 6929 08 9371 6373 0403 583 676 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.iinet.net.au/~renew
Re: Kelly and Mark and Spam
Does a .PIF file have any useful purpose? .pif = Program Identification File used by windows - kind of like a short cut on steroids. not used by Mac OS - but often maac OS identifies them incorrectly as other types of files. I'm not sure exactly how XP/2000 uses them but in older versions of Win they link an executable to an custom icon and a text string so you could create several.PDF's for a single FTP program so that each one had a different text string that would have the FTP server name and user ID , also a custom icon to help you identify which one's which and a different name So: three different icons on your desktop: FTP library, FTP Accounts FTP Web all point to the same executable but feed it different text string that the command uses as its perimeters. -- ~ Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph#9380 1855 (ECEL) ECEL Computer Support Officer, University of Western Australia. CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ 'We are all children of $root' or so says a wise old programer... Anon. There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
