Opening Keychain passwords
-- I've never consciously used Keychain, but if I open Keychain Access in Utilities, it shows me I have 16 entries. I presume these are put in by applications, when I answer 'Yes' to 'Save this password?. -- If I double-click on a particular entry, it has the option to 'Show Password'. But if I click on this, it asks for a password I may not have. How can I make Keychain Access show me my passwords? Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Dec 20 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Opening Keychain passwords
Hi David, Keychain will ask you for your ³Keychain² password usually (unless you have changed things since your initial setup) this will be the same as your ³Login² password the password you use to login to your account. HTH Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 20/12/10 4:59 PM, David Noel at lis...@aoi.com.au wrote: -- I've never consciously used Keychain, but if I open Keychain Access in Utilities, it shows me I have 16 entries. I presume these are put in by applications, when I answer 'Yes' to 'Save this password?. -- If I double-click on a particular entry, it has the option to 'Show Password'. But if I click on this, it asks for a password I may not have. How can I make Keychain Access show me my passwords? Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Dec 20 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Opening Keychain passwords
On 20/12/2010, at 4:59 PM, David Noel wrote: -- I've never consciously used Keychain, but if I open Keychain Access in Utilities, it shows me I have 16 entries. I presume these are put in by applications, when I answer 'Yes' to 'Save this password?. -- If I double-click on a particular entry, it has the option to 'Show Password'. But if I click on this, it asks for a password I may not have. How can I make Keychain Access show me my passwords? That password is the same password that you use to access your user account. If you can't remember what that is, you'll have to change it to one you can remember. All you can do is boot from your Mac OS X Install DVD (you still have it, I hope) and change your master password. This would have to be close to the top of my list of most common user problems: people either not remembering their passwords, or worse, forgetting that they even have one. Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Dec 20 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Opening Keychain passwords
Hi David, Hi Peter, Just a couple of things to be aware of here: 1) Although the keychain password is USUALLY the same password that you use to access your user account - there are situations where this may not be the case - see for example: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh463.html If your Mac OS X login password is not the same as your default keychain password, you'll be asked for the password whenever an application needs access to your keychain and your keychain is locked. However, if you haven't previously made the decision to change the keychain password or had to reset your login password, then the keychain password SHOULD BE the same password that you use to access your user account. 2) If you can't remember what that is, you'll have to change it to one you can remember. All you can do is boot from your Mac OS X Install DVD (you still have it, I hope) and change your master password. This will let you back into your account if you forget your user account password - unfortunately it won't work for the keychain which will still have the old password. AFAIK your only option then is to delete the keychain and allow OSX to create a new login keychain using your new password: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1631 But then, of course, you lose all the stuff that was in the keychain. It's a bit of a bugger really - the more secure you make things, the more vulnerable you are to ancient brain farts locking you out of your system ;o( Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 20/12/10 6:23 PM, Peter Hinchliffe at hinch...@multiline.com.au wrote: On 20/12/2010, at 4:59 PM, David Noel wrote: -- I've never consciously used Keychain, but if I open Keychain Access in Utilities, it shows me I have 16 entries. I presume these are put in by applications, when I answer 'Yes' to 'Save this password?. -- If I double-click on a particular entry, it has the option to 'Show Password'. But if I click on this, it asks for a password I may not have. How can I make Keychain Access show me my passwords? That password is the same password that you use to access your user account. If you can't remember what that is, you'll have to change it to one you can remember. All you can do is boot from your Mac OS X Install DVD (you still have it, I hope) and change your master password. This would have to be close to the top of my list of most common user problems: people either not remembering their passwords, or worse, forgetting that they even have one. Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Dec 20 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Opening Keychain passwords
-- Thanks everybody for the advice. Unfortunately I am still stymied. As I am the only user of my (hopefully securely placed) iMac, and have the only account, I just used a carriage return for the account. But Keychain Access will not accept this as a password, I've tried. -- Not to worry, I have tried to keep track of the individual passwords, so usually I can make changes. But it would have nice if I could have cross-checked them. David / Dec 20 On 20 December 2010 19:56, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote: Hi David, Hi Peter, Just a couple of things to be aware of here: 1) Although the keychain password is USUALLY the same password that you use to access your user account - there are situations where this may not be the case - see for example: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh463.html If your Mac OS X login password is not the same as your default keychain password, you'll be asked for the password whenever an application needs access to your keychain and your keychain is locked. However, if you haven't previously made the decision to change the keychain password or had to reset your login password, then the keychain password SHOULD BE the same password that you use to access your user account. 2) If you can't remember what that is, you'll have to change it to one you can remember. All you can do is boot from your Mac OS X Install DVD (you still have it, I hope) and change your master password. This will let you back into your account if you forget your user account password - unfortunately it won't work for the keychain which will still have the old password. AFAIK your only option then is to delete the keychain and allow OSX to create a new login keychain using your new password: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1631 But then, of course, you lose all the stuff that was in the keychain. It's a bit of a bugger really - the more secure you make things, the more vulnerable you are to ancient brain farts locking you out of your system ;o( Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 20/12/10 6:23 PM, Peter Hinchliffe at hinch...@multiline.com.au wrote: On 20/12/2010, at 4:59 PM, David Noel wrote: -- I've never consciously used Keychain, but if I open Keychain Access in Utilities, it shows me I have 16 entries. I presume these are put in by applications, when I answer 'Yes' to 'Save this password?. -- If I double-click on a particular entry, it has the option to 'Show Password'. But if I click on this, it asks for a password I may not have. How can I make Keychain Access show me my passwords? That password is the same password that you use to access your user account. If you can't remember what that is, you'll have to change it to one you can remember. All you can do is boot from your Mac OS X Install DVD (you still have it, I hope) and change your master password. This would have to be close to the top of my list of most common user problems: people either not remembering their passwords, or worse, forgetting that they even have one. Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Dec 20 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Opening Keychain passwords
On 20/12/2010, at 9:36 PM, David Noel wrote: -- Thanks everybody for the advice. Unfortunately I am still stymied. As I am the only user of my (hopefully securely placed) iMac, and have the only account, I just used a carriage return for the account. But Keychain Access will not accept this as a password, I've tried. -- Not to worry, I have tried to keep track of the individual passwords, so usually I can make changes. But it would have nice if I could have cross-checked them. You would be well advised to reset your password to something else - anything else - using the Boot-From-System-Disk method. Not only will this give you a decent password and allow you to use Keychain effectively, it will also allow you to reset your Keychain master password. Since you are not that worried about security, the password does not have to be complex, just memorable. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Opening Keychain passwords
Hi David, One last thing to try - if you have not tried it already. I am assuming that you cannot remember your original account password because, in your security preferences, you have not checked Disable automatic login and so you do not regularly use your password to login to your account. In system preferences Accounts pane you can opt to change your account password - unfortunately, but logically, you are asked for your old password before you can change to a new password - otherwise anyone could change your password - HOWEVER when you set up the account you would have been asked to give a password hint which (assuming you DID supply a password hint, as recommended) will now be displayed at the bottom of the change password dialogue - so, if you used a good hint, it might just trigger the memory of your old password ;o) The advantage of this method (if successful) is that when you change your account password in this way then your old keychain will have its password changed to match your new password (assuming you hadn't previously done anything to set your keychain password to be different to your account password - see my previous post) and so you will not lose your keychain info. Of course, if this does NOT work for you then I would agree with Peter that you really ought to use your Mac OS X Install disc to reset to a new password which you CAN remember preferably with the aid of with the aid of a good password hint (that only works as a hint to you!) ;o) As I mentioned in my previous post, if you do have to reset your account password using your Mac OS X Install disc this does not actually allow you to reset the password for your login keychain - you still need your old password (now forgotten) to do that. What you will have to do is DELETE your old login keychain (though you could always keep a copy somewhere if you think you might remember the old password sometime). Apple explain this all here: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1631 Good luck - a password hint recently worked for me for an online login I hadn't used for some time and had no recollection of what password I had used - until I saw the hint! Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 21/12/10 8:11 AM, Peter Hinchliffe at hinch...@multiline.com.au wrote: On 20/12/2010, at 9:36 PM, David Noel wrote: -- Thanks everybody for the advice. Unfortunately I am still stymied. As I am the only user of my (hopefully securely placed) iMac, and have the only account, I just used a carriage return for the account. But Keychain Access will not accept this as a password, I've tried. -- Not to worry, I have tried to keep track of the individual passwords, so usually I can make changes. But it would have nice if I could have cross-checked them. You would be well advised to reset your password to something else - anything else - using the Boot-From-System-Disk method. Not only will this give you a decent password and allow you to use Keychain effectively, it will also allow you to reset your Keychain master password. Since you are not that worried about security, the password does not have to be complex, just memorable. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Was Changing Windows partition sizes: Now Updating Keychain Passwords Properly
Hi David and WAMUGgers On 24 Apr 2007, at 8:02pm, David Moyle wrote: HiWe had the same thing with some of our imaged Apple laptops that came direct from Apple via CEOWA. There is a hidden partition (It shouldn't need to be that large) that is bootable into NetRestore and will restore the computer off a disk image (dmg) as it came out of the box for you including all the software included with it. My DET Macbooks had the same setup. I copied my entire OS X onto an external drive - reformatted the HDD - then reinstalled the profile in the new partition. After repairing permissions all seemed Ok. One thing that does bug me is that Keychain always asks me for a password to update things. It doesn't recognise any of my attempted, remembered passwords. I've tried even using the original install disk to change passwords but to no avail. Any ideas please? I sense there is something amiss at the root level, but don't know how to change the oil! Regards Reg -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Was Changing Windows partition sizes: Now Updating Keychain Passwords Properly
Hey Your keychain has probably been changed from another user account or when booted from the CD/DVD and this has changed the account password but hasn't changed the keychain password. Best bet is to login to Keychain Access and fiddle with the current one to match the password for the keychain to your current account password or simply delete it and start again! Should be able to work it out! Also, Keychain Access is located in /Applications/Utilities/Keychain Access GL! Thanks, David Moyle -- Bertram, Western Australia E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an empty desk mean? Confidentiality Notice: The contents of this email are confid.. Were you meant to receive this? If not, delete it. Please? -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reg Whitely Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2007 9:42 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Was Changing Windows partition sizes: Now Updating Keychain Passwords Properly Hi David and WAMUGgers On 24 Apr 2007, at 8:02pm, David Moyle wrote: HiWe had the same thing with some of our imaged Apple laptops that came direct from Apple via CEOWA. There is a hidden partition (It shouldn't need to be that large) that is bootable into NetRestore and will restore the computer off a disk image (dmg) as it came out of the box for you including all the software included with it. My DET Macbooks had the same setup. I copied my entire OS X onto an external drive - reformatted the HDD - then reinstalled the profile in the new partition. After repairing permissions all seemed Ok. One thing that does bug me is that Keychain always asks me for a password to update things. It doesn't recognise any of my attempted, remembered passwords. I've tried even using the original install disk to change passwords but to no avail. Any ideas please? I sense there is something amiss at the root level, but don't know how to change the oil! Regards Reg -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Was Changing Windows partition sizes: Now Updating Keychain Passwords Properly
On 24/04/2007, at 9:41 PM, Reg Whitely wrote: Hi David and WAMUGgers On 24 Apr 2007, at 8:02pm, David Moyle wrote: HiWe had the same thing with some of our imaged Apple laptops that came direct from Apple via CEOWA. There is a hidden partition (It shouldn't need to be that large) that is bootable into NetRestore and will restore the computer off a disk image (dmg) as it came out of the box for you including all the software included with it. My DET Macbooks had the same setup. I copied my entire OS X onto an external drive - reformatted the HDD - then reinstalled the profile in the new partition. After repairing permissions all seemed Ok. One thing that does bug me is that Keychain always asks me for a password to update things. It doesn't recognise any of my attempted, remembered passwords. I've tried even using the original install disk to change passwords but to no avail. Any ideas please? I sense there is something amiss at the root level, but don't know how to change the oil! Regards If you look in ~/Library/Keychains you will find login.keychain. Move this to the trash. The next time the system requires it, you will informed that a new keychain is being created. Click the Use Default button. This will reset the keychain password to your current login password. -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keychain passwords
Entourage keeps asking for passwords for my mail account, even though I entered them in accounts, they disappear. I tried to access the keychain but that is locked even tho I'm logged in. I tried using keychain firstaid, but that says it can't open key chain either. Anybody got a clue? You could always try deleting your keychain and creating a new one. This assumes of course that you can remember all the passwords in it! Keychains are in ~/Library/Keychains folder. If your keychain password is the same as your login password the keychain should be unlocked automatically when you login. If you've installed the old PGP beta I've got a sneaking suspicion that it interacts poorly with the Keychain at the moment, so you might want to update the PGP beta. Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer It must be bunnies! Opinions for hire [POQ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnord
Keychain passwords
Entourage keeps asking for passwords for my mail account, even though I entered them in accounts, they disappear. I tried to access the keychain but that is locked even tho I'm logged in. I tried using keychain firstaid, but that says it can't open key chain either. Anybody got a clue? -- Rosemary Horton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
