List etiquette [was: Re: Starcraft Crashing Problem]

2005-01-02 Thread James Devenish
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on Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 08:43:53PM +0800, Dark Servant wrote:
 Yeah it probably would be poor manners for someone to post a reply to
 a private mail onto the list if the person doing it actually noticed
 that the mail they received actually was private.

But wouldn't it be poor manners not to notice that the mail was private?
In the case of the WAMUG list, the list's software takes no position
about whether replies should go to the list or to the personal sender.
Thus, it is up to us as individuals to make that choice. To *add* the
list's address into a private reply doesn't seem polite to me! All
I can guess is that when you're replying to the list, you're using the
'Reply' button and then *manually* inserting the list's address. Perhaps
what you should do instead is use the 'Reply All' button which will
automatically include the list's address. If it is a private e-mail,
'Reply All' will not add the list's address. (However, if you do use the
'Reply All' button, be sure to remove the personal sender's address so
as not to be sending duplicates to that person -- I don't think this
list supresses duplicates.)

PS. With many lists, it's normal for a variety of replies to be sent
off-list. There are many reasons for this.




Re: List etiquette [was: Re: Starcraft Crashing Problem]

2005-01-02 Thread Robert Howells


On 02/01/2005, at 9:36 AM, James Devenish wrote:


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 08:43:53PM +0800, Dark Servant wrote:

Yeah it probably would be poor manners for someone to post a reply to
a private mail onto the list if the person doing it actually noticed
that the mail they received actually was private.


But wouldn't it be poor manners not to notice that the mail was 
private?

In the case of the WAMUG list, the list's software takes no position
about whether replies should go to the list or to the personal sender.


I don't know what mail setup you have but this list is set for
the reply to go to the sender ... and if the person replying requires 
the
mail to go to the list the address has to be changed or the Wamug 
address

added .

As in this mail I have deliberately changed the address so to goes to 
the list


Bob



Re: List etiquette [was: Re: Starcraft Crashing Problem]

2005-01-02 Thread James Devenish
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:58:26AM +0800, Robert Howells wrote:
 On 02/01/2005, at 9:36 AM, James Devenish wrote:
  In the case of the WAMUG list, the list's software takes no position
  about whether replies should go to the list or to the personal sender.
 this list is set for the reply to go to the sender

From inspection of the e-mail headers, I see that the list software
inserts no explicit recommendation about where followups should go.
Thus, it is by a matter of default that they go to 'From' address
(i.e. they go off-list to the personal sender). Note also that the
following appears in the posting guidelines at
http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml :

When you reply to a posting made by another person:

1. Did you only respond to the list - unless specifically
asked otherwise?

I'm not quite sure what that sentence means, but my interpretation is
that it recommends that replies be sent only to the list's address, so
that other correspondents' addresses do not accumulate as duplicate
recipients.

So, neither 'Reply' nor 'Reply-All' quite fits the bill in the current
situation.




Re: List etiquette [was: Re: Starcraft Crashing Problem]

2005-01-02 Thread Onno Benschop
On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 14:17, James Devenish wrote:
 Note also that the
 following appears in the posting guidelines at
 http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml :
 
 When you reply to a posting made by another person:
 
 1. Did you only respond to the list - unless specifically
 asked otherwise?
 
 I'm not quite sure what that sentence means, but my interpretation is
 that it recommends that replies be sent only to the list's address, so
 that other correspondents' addresses do not accumulate as duplicate
 recipients.

As the author of that sentence, it means, send mail to the list as a
first response, unless the message indicates that another response is
required.

I'll concede that it could do with a re-work :-)


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Re: List etiquette [was: Re: Starcraft Crashing Problem]

2005-01-02 Thread Dark Servant



In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:58:26AM +0800, Robert Howells wrote:

On 02/01/2005, at 9:36 AM, James Devenish wrote:

In the case of the WAMUG list, the list's software takes no position
about whether replies should go to the list or to the personal 
sender.

this list is set for the reply to go to the sender



From inspection of the e-mail headers, I see that the list software

inserts no explicit recommendation about where followups should go.
Thus, it is by a matter of default that they go to 'From' address
(i.e. they go off-list to the personal sender). Note also that the
following appears in the posting guidelines at
http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml :

When you reply to a posting made by another person:

1. Did you only respond to the list - unless specifically
asked otherwise?


This rule is set up to so that people post to the list adding to the 
archive.  Other users can then access relevant information from the 
archive if the question has been asked before.  Of course this is only 
useful if the information remains mac related.

The second part James has already outlined.

I do not consider it bad manners to not notice that a mail has been 
sent privately.  I normally send my emails to the list by using reply 
and changing the address.  I don't feel that using the reply all method 
is any easier or harder.


Ruben



Re: List etiquette [was: Re: Starcraft Crashing Problem]

2005-01-02 Thread James Devenish
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 04:06:28PM +0800, Dark Servant wrote:
 I do not consider it bad manners to not notice that a mail has
 been sent privately.

!!! I hope everyone (including you) does the courtesy of paying
attention! If you reproduce private messages in the public forum,
the least you can do is to anonymise them.