MS Office 2008
Thank you to James, Greg, Robert, Reg, Barry, Susan for your comments on alternatives to MS Office 2008 and also what glitches can occur with Office. I have gone down the path of downloading Neo Office and making an appropriate donation. Opened several Word documents without a problem but had to seek advice from James with one that I found tricky. Resolved and all well. I don't find Neo Office as intuitive as Mac applications but of course a large part of that is familiarity. With practise I hope to open its secrets. Thank you all. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
Why not try iWork ... only $99.00 ? I switched recently after first trying MS Office 2008. Mutch simpler interface and easier to use typical Apple product !! And reads all the MSO files. Numbers is particulary good .. I love it's flexibility. On 18/07/2008, at 4:05 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Thank you to James, Greg, Robert, Reg, Barry, Susan for your comments on alternatives to MS Office 2008 and also what glitches can occur with Office. I have gone down the path of downloading Neo Office and making an appropriate donation. Opened several Word documents without a problem but had to seek advice from James with one that I found tricky. Resolved and all well. I don't find Neo Office as intuitive as Mac applications but of course a large part of that is familiarity. With practise I hope to open its secrets. Thank you all. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
I obtained OpenOffice 2.4 for the purpose of interacting with some Word users. However, I can read their .doc s and can make editorial corrections and comments with OpenOffice and return the document to them, but they cannot see my input. I don't know what version of Word they are using, but it is probably older versions. Pat On 11/07/2008, at 9:28 PM, Barry Sexstone wrote: Reg I am not totally sure but I think not. The Open Office website is quite comprehensive, although not always easy to navigate, and you should be able to check. Barry On 11/07/2008, at 8:37 PM, Reg Whitely wrote: Hi Barry Is this version Intel only? Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 6:59pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: I am using Open Office 3.0. Although this is a Beta version it does not need X11 unlike previous versions. I was using Neo Office but prefer the feel of 3.0. It has no problems with conversions of latest MSOffice formats such as .docx. It is free and available from www.openoffice.org Barry On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
Pat I also revise and comment on MS Word documents. I am now using OO 3.0 but used to use v 2.4 with no problems. Are you making sure that open office save as a .doc and not in the OpenOffice format .odt ? The option is in the save as section. Barry On 12/07/2008, at 2:45 PM, Pat wrote: I obtained OpenOffice 2.4 for the purpose of interacting with some Word users. However, I can read their .doc s and can make editorial corrections and comments with OpenOffice and return the document to them, but they cannot see my input. I don't know what version of Word they are using, but it is probably older versions. Pat On 11/07/2008, at 9:28 PM, Barry Sexstone wrote: Reg I am not totally sure but I think not. The Open Office website is quite comprehensive, although not always easy to navigate, and you should be able to check. Barry On 11/07/2008, at 8:37 PM, Reg Whitely wrote: Hi Barry Is this version Intel only? Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 6:59pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: I am using Open Office 3.0. Although this is a Beta version it does not need X11 unlike previous versions. I was using Neo Office but prefer the feel of 3.0. It has no problems with conversions of latest MSOffice formats such as .docx. It is free and available from www.openoffice.org Barry On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/ guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MS Office 2008
Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
check out http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php download the approx 120 meg package, install it off you go in opening word.exel,pps docs it normally saves them in a open doc standard but just save as. your win guys can read it i'm using it for the last year in our club we exchange between 2004/2007 word neooffice as well as open office http://www.openoffice.org/ (needs X11 on mac) neooffice is a mac port of openoffice bear in mind it's free (donation appreciated) that means worth a try cheer James On 11/07/2008, at 18:08, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas skype: barleeway -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
Hello Merv You could try Neo Office it's free. http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php It seems to be reliable and is open source. Mostly I use Pages which is excellent. Regards Greg Manzie On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
I am using Open Office 3.0. Although this is a Beta version it does not need X11 unlike previous versions. I was using Neo Office but prefer the feel of 3.0. It has no problems with conversions of latest MSOffice formats such as .docx. It is free and available from www.openoffice.org Barry On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- MERV , One thing you will want to check out is the Word document that is created. New 2008 Word documents cannot be opened by Wprd 2004 . Word 2008 might be able to save in the older format... I don't know . There was /is currently a converter that can be used , The one I know about is DocX converter from http://www.panergy-software.com/ Cheers Bob -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
Reg I am not totally sure but I think not. The Open Office website is quite comprehensive, although not always easy to navigate, and you should be able to check. Barry On 11/07/2008, at 8:37 PM, Reg Whitely wrote: Hi Barry Is this version Intel only? Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 6:59pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: I am using Open Office 3.0. Although this is a Beta version it does not need X11 unlike previous versions. I was using Neo Office but prefer the feel of 3.0. It has no problems with conversions of latest MSOffice formats such as .docx. It is free and available from www.openoffice.org Barry On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MS Office 2008
Re compatibility with Office 2004, Office 2008 saves documents as .docx by default, which is the same as the Windows version of Office. However, you can specify to save as .doc so that you documents are fully compatible with Office 2004 and you won't need a special converter. regards, Susan. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
Reg Unfortunately you ere right. Version 3.0 (beta) is an intel product only. Version 2.4 should run on your powerbook, however, this does need X11. You could try Neo Office but I hear it may not be as stable. Barry On 12/07/2008, at 9:01 AM, Reg Whitely wrote: I downloaded it and it said it couldn't be installed on my computer (PowerBook G4 1.67). Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 9:28pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: Reg I am not totally sure but I think not. The Open Office website is quite comprehensive, although not always easy to navigate, and you should be able to check. Barry On 11/07/2008, at 8:37 PM, Reg Whitely wrote: Hi Barry Is this version Intel only? Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 6:59pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: I am using Open Office 3.0. Although this is a Beta version it does not need X11 unlike previous versions. I was using Neo Office but prefer the feel of 3.0. It has no problems with conversions of latest MSOffice formats such as .docx. It is free and available from www.openoffice.org Barry On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/ guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
i just tested: if you go to http://www.openoffice.org/ select i want to download it widens the line shows you what you get (in my case: ppc g4 powerbook, it showed v2.4.1 for mac osx in us english) i assume they send a cookie to check your system then give you the choice cheers James On 11/07/2008, at 20:37, Reg Whitely wrote: Hi Barry Is this version Intel only? Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 6:59pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: I am using Open Office 3.0. Although this is a Beta version it does not need X11 unlike previous versions. I was using Neo Office but prefer the feel of 3.0. It has no problems with conversions of latest MSOffice formats such as .docx. It is free and available from www.openoffice.org Barry On 11/07/2008, at 6:08 PM, Mervyn Giuliana Bond wrote: Up until this month I have managed communications with the dark side with Appleworks. However I have received two Word documents that I could not open and had to pass on to my PC son who opened and saved them as pdfs. MS Office 2008 (office version) is retailing for about $200 and I thought I had better take the plunge. My other Mac son runs MS Office 2004 but it would seem like going backwards to try and obtain a copy of such. However, as there have been four years between updates maybe it is good work horse. For those using the 2008 version are you finding it stable, backward compatible to say Office 98 or Word 6, unexpected issues to watch for? Your comments valued. Comments from users of the 2004 version also appreciated. Merv -- Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must also believe in order to see. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas skype: barleeway -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Office 2008
sorry as i mentioned earlier on i'm using neooffice for the last year, i'm still waiting for a crash. James On 12/07/2008, at 9:28, Barry Sexstone wrote: Reg Unfortunately you ere right. Version 3.0 (beta) is an intel product only. Version 2.4 should run on your powerbook, however, this does need X11. You could try Neo Office but I hear it may not be as stable. Barry On 12/07/2008, at 9:01 AM, Reg Whitely wrote: I downloaded it and it said it couldn't be installed on my computer (PowerBook G4 1.67). Reg On 11 Jul 2008, at 9:28pm, Barry Sexstone wrote: Reg I am not totally sure but I think not. The Open Office website is quite comprehensive, although not always easy to navigate, and you should be able to check. SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas skype: barleeway -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
