Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Larry Pohl 
On 23/12/01 7:04 PM, "Andrew Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 18:53 +0800 23/12/2001, Larry Pohl wrote:
>> What about Disk Copy 6.4 ? What will it do ? Would it overcome this ASR 4 GB
>> limit ?
> 
> If Disk Copy 6.4 is an unreleased product, any person with legitimate
> access to it would be unable to answer that question.

Not to worry. I found a good description on a public forum at MacFixit.

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Andrew Nielsen 

At 18:53 +0800 23/12/2001, Larry Pohl wrote:

What about Disk Copy 6.4 ? What will it do ? Would it overcome this ASR 4 GB
limit ?


If Disk Copy 6.4 is an unreleased product, any person with legitimate 
access to it would be unable to answer that question.

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Andrew Nielsen 
Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
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Consultants in Unix, Mac OS, Windows & networking technologies

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Larry Pohl 
On 23/12/01 6:49 PM, "Andrew Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 18:17 +0800 23/12/2001, Rob Findlay wrote:
>> You can backup a whole volume intact using Apple Software Restore
>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20011220103756557
>> And you can backup using Tar to get all the permissions & resources
>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010626144436220
>> 
>> Somewhere in that lot you can do something useful:)))
> 
> Blat. My point exactly. This aspect is not ready for prime time.
> 
> Also, as far as I know, Disk Copy 6.4 has not been publicly released.
> The latest public version is 6.3.3.
> 
>> However you are right about the Tape Drive situation. Until that is resolved
>> (no doubt by Dantz as you say) it is will not be satisfactory for most of my
>> clients.
> 
> Yep, completely useless.

Rob,

What about Disk Copy 6.4 ? What will it do ? Would it overcome this ASR 4 GB
limit ?

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Andrew Nielsen 

At 18:17 +0800 23/12/2001, Rob Findlay wrote:

You can backup a whole volume intact using Apple Software Restore
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20011220103756557
And you can backup using Tar to get all the permissions & resources
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010626144436220

Somewhere in that lot you can do something useful:)))


Blat. My point exactly. This aspect is not ready for prime time.

Also, as far as I know, Disk Copy 6.4 has not been publicly released. 
The latest public version is 6.3.3.



However you are right about the Tape Drive situation. Until that is resolved
(no doubt by Dantz as you say) it is will not be satisfactory for most of my
clients.


Yep, completely useless.
--

Andrew Nielsen 
Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677
Consultants in Unix, Mac OS, Windows & networking technologies

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Larry Pohl 
On 23/12/01 6:17 PM, "Rob Findlay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can backup a whole volume intact using Apple Software Restore
> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20011220103756557
> And you can backup using Tar to get all the permissions & resources
> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010626144436220
> 
> Somewhere in that lot you can do something useful:)))
> However you are right about the Tape Drive situation. Until that is resolved
> (no doubt by Dantz as you say) it is will not be satisfactory for most of my
> clients.
> 
> The top link is particularly useful though as it leads to a PDF explaining
> how you can backup and restore a whole disk if you need to reinstall for
> whatever reason. You'll need another disk as big as yours though.
> 

That ASR backup method works (I've used it) but the volume can't be any
bigger than 4 GB. Mine, unfortunately has just gone over that figure.

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Rob Findlay 
You can backup a whole volume intact using Apple Software Restore
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20011220103756557
And you can backup using Tar to get all the permissions & resources
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010626144436220

Somewhere in that lot you can do something useful:)))
However you are right about the Tape Drive situation. Until that is resolved
(no doubt by Dantz as you say) it is will not be satisfactory for most of my
clients.

The top link is particularly useful though as it leads to a PDF explaining
how you can backup and restore a whole disk if you need to reinstall for
whatever reason. You'll need another disk as big as yours though.

On 23/12/01 6:06 PM, "Andrew Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 17:57 +0800 23/12/2001, Rob Findlay wrote:
>> This is traditional & complicated but free.
>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010206232018498
> 
> Lots of debate has taken place about various Unix ways of doing
> backups in Mac OS X. There are several issues still:
> 
> - No support for tape drives
> - Saving/restoring directory permissions
> - Saving/restoring resource forks
> 
> Anything other than Retrospect currently would appear to be a partial
> solution (and potentially tremendously clunky too).

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Andrew Nielsen 

At 17:57 +0800 23/12/2001, Rob Findlay wrote:

This is traditional & complicated but free.
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010206232018498


Lots of debate has taken place about various Unix ways of doing 
backups in Mac OS X. There are several issues still:


- No support for tape drives
- Saving/restoring directory permissions
- Saving/restoring resource forks

Anything other than Retrospect currently would appear to be a partial 
solution (and potentially tremendously clunky too).

--

Andrew Nielsen 
Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677
Consultants in Unix, Mac OS, Windows & networking technologies

Re: OS-X Backups (using built in Linux commands)

2001-12-23 Thread Rob Findlay 
This is traditional & complicated but free.
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20010206232018498

On 23/12/01 5:43 PM, "Andrew Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 19:40 +1100 23/12/2001, Troy May wrote:
>> I'm confused as to why it's so hard to get the backup app's working? What
>> exactly is it that prevents one from just dragging and dropping the contents
>> of one disk onto another?
> 
> That ain't a backup strategy :-)
> 
>> Is it some kind of dependency on pathnames tied to a volume/partition name
>> or what?
> 
> Basically Apple had to make some changes to Mac OS X for Retrospect
> to be able to get the right information to be able to do its thing.
> That's done now, and Dantz is working on getting Retrospect 5
> finished.
> 
>> How do traditional Unix's (Unices?) handle backups?
> 
> With traditional, complicated and sometimes expensive software.