Re: e-mail keeps shutting down.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Hi Fellow WAMUGGERS,

I asked a question a little while ago,but no replies to date, would anyone have 
any idea as to why e-mail just quits on me whilst I am using it? It doesn’t 
matter if I am writing an e-mail or deleting mail, it just quits, I have tried 
the usual,got rid of all JUNK Mail,got rid of the RUBBISH, deleted old Mail, 
and still it quits, any ideas please?

Kind Regards

Tony

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Re: e-mail keeps shutting down.

[Alan Smith]

Tony

What version of macOS and Mail are you using?  Catalina had many issues with 
Mail from the start.  I understand not all have been fixed.  Google search show 
several “try it” remedies.  Not being a Catalina user I don’t know the current 
status.

Regards
Alan

> On 21 Mar 2020, at 4:49 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
> wrote:
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> Hi Fellow WAMUGGERS,
> 
> I asked a question a little while ago,but no replies to date, would anyone 
> have any idea as to why e-mail just quits on me whilst I am using it? It 
> doesn’t matter if I am writing an e-mail or deleting mail, it just quits, I 
> have tried the usual,got rid of all JUNK Mail,got rid of the RUBBISH, deleted 
> old Mail, and still it quits, any ideas please?
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> 
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Re: e-mail keeps shutting down.

[Peter Crisp]

HI Anthony, I’ve not had this issue but it isn’t clear for you is it Mail on an 
iOS device (iPhone/iPad) or an OSX iMac/Macbook? What version of the OS is on 
it and what is device model?

Either way check the following:

How much clear memory does the device have?
Check on line for Mail Repair process
Have a read of this for example - rebuild and reminded process.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2476217/mac-os-x-how-to-fix-apple-mail-by-rebuilding-and-reindexing-the-mailbox.html
Is it backed up to Time Machine? A good idea to hold records.




Regards


Pete

> On 21 Mar 2020, at 4:49 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Fellow WAMUGGERS,
> 
> I asked a question a little while ago,but no replies to date, would anyone 
> have any idea as to why e-mail just quits on me whilst I am using it? It 
> doesn’t matter if I am writing an e-mail or deleting mail, it just quits, I 
> have tried the usual,got rid of all JUNK Mail,got rid of the RUBBISH, deleted 
> old Mail, and still it quits, any ideas please?
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> 
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Re: e-mail.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Good Morning Everyone

I am having problems with the e-mail page, whilst using e-mail it will 
unexpectedly shutdown for no apparent reason,whether I am writing an e-mail, 
reading the e-mails, or deleting mail, so far it has shutdown 5 times in less 
than half an hour. I have quit everything, then re-started the Computer but it 
doesn’t seem to resolve the problem for long.

Would anyone have an idea on how to resolve the problem please?

Kind Regards

Tony

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Re: e-mail just received.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Thank you Philippe and Ronni, I received the e-mail, read it, didn’t like it 
and passed it on. I have deleted it.
Thank you both for your response.

Kind Regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Mar 2018, at 05:48, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony,
> 
> It’s a scam, not from Apple and not even addressed to you.
> Apple always have your correct name & details on any correspondence.
> As Philippe has mentioned DO NOT CLICK on the link.
> Just delete the email!
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
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> 
> 
>> On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:56 am, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning Tony, 
>> 
>> I could not locate the InstaSize Photo Editor Premium on the App Store, so 
>> that would be a confirmation that the email you received is suspect. Just 
>> make sure you do not click on the link they provide and as you have not 
>> ordered and paid for this software just ignore this email and letter.
>> 
>> Not sure if you may have to change your password with Apple as a security. 
>> One of our expert will be able to advise on this.
>> 
>> Good night,
>> 
>> Philippe C. 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:42 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning everyone
>> 
>> I have just received this e-mail, I don’t like the feel of it, the English 
>> isn’t spot on so am passing it around. What do you think??
>> 
>> I haven’t purchased anything from Apple for this amount, and normally I 
>> would get a receipt from Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks everyone
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> Boddington.
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Re: e-mail just received.

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tony,

It’s a scam, not from Apple and not even addressed to you.
Apple always have your correct name & details on any correspondence.
As Philippe has mentioned DO NOT CLICK on the link.
Just delete the email!

Cheers,
Ronni

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> On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:56 am, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> Good morning Tony, 
> 
> I could not locate the InstaSize Photo Editor Premium on the App Store, so 
> that would be a confirmation that the email you received is suspect. Just 
> make sure you do not click on the link they provide and as you have not 
> ordered and paid for this software just ignore this email and letter.
> 
> Not sure if you may have to change your password with Apple as a security. 
> One of our expert will be able to advise on this.
> 
> Good night,
> 
> Philippe C. 
> 
> 
> On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:42 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
> wrote:
> 
> Good Morning everyone
> 
> I have just received this e-mail, I don’t like the feel of it, the English 
> isn’t spot on so am passing it around. What do you think??
> 
> I haven’t purchased anything from Apple for this amount, and normally I would 
> get a receipt from Apple.
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> 
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[Philippe Chaperon]

Good morning Tony, 

I could not locate the InstaSize Photo Editor Premium on the App Store, so that 
would be a confirmation that the email you received is suspect. Just make sure 
you do not click on the link they provide and as you have not ordered and paid 
for this software just ignore this email and letter.

Not sure if you may have to change your password with Apple as a security. One 
of our expert will be able to advise on this.

Good night,

Philippe C. 


On 21 Mar 2018, at 12:42 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:

Good Morning everyone

I have just received this e-mail, I don’t like the feel of it, the English 
isn’t spot on so am passing it around. What do you think??

I haven’t purchased anything from Apple for this amount, and normally I would 
get a receipt from Apple.


Thanks everyone

Kind Regards

Tony

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[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Good Morning everyone

I have just received this e-mail, I don’t like the feel of it, the English 
isn’t spot on so am passing it around. What do you think??

I haven’t purchased anything from Apple for this amount, and normally I would 
get a receipt from Apple.


Thanks everyone

Kind Regards

Tony

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Re: e-mail photo.

[Tony Francis]

Thank you Ronni
I managed somehow to get the Photo and my sign in logo mixed up, but thanks to 
you both for your help.

Kindest regards

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Re: e-mail photo.

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tony,

I would suspect you have not selected your card to 'My Card'. It shows a little 
symbol of a person beside your card if it is 'My Card'.

You need to select your Card in Address Book and then
Go to 'Card' in Menu
And scroll down to 'Make this My Card' 
Then if you have a photo in your card it will display in Mail messages.

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 20/02/2012, at 10:05 AM, cm  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> 
> In case you're wondering, I do not see any photo on the previous email sent 
> by you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Carlo
> 
> On 20/02/2012, at 8:59 , Tony Francis wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo
>> My apologies for not answering you straight away. I had a small problem when 
>> attempting to add my photo to the address book in as much as once I had 
>> chosen the photo I couldn't get to the 'done' button because the chooser 
>> page was blocking access to the done button, I pushed 'set' which cleared 
>> the way.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your prompt reply.
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> 
>> Tony Francis
>> antne...@mac.com
>> 
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[cm]

Hi Tony,

In case you're wondering, I do not see any photo on the previous email sent by 
you.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 20/02/2012, at 8:59 , Tony Francis wrote:

> Hi Carlo
> My apologies for not answering you straight away. I had a small problem when 
> attempting to add my photo to the address book in as much as once I had 
> chosen the photo I couldn't get to the 'done' button because the chooser page 
> was blocking access to the done button, I pushed 'set' which cleared the way.
> 
> Thanks again for your prompt reply.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> Tony Francis
> antne...@mac.com
> 
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[Tony Francis]

Hi Carlo
My apologies for not answering you straight away. I had a small problem when 
attempting to add my photo to the address book in as much as once I had chosen 
the photo I couldn't get to the 'done' button because the chooser page was 
blocking access to the done button, I pushed 'set' which cleared the way.

Thanks again for your prompt reply.

Kind Regards

Tony


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[cm]

Hi Tony,

To get an ID photo in your emails you need to attach a photo to your personal 
card in Address Book. To do that proceed as follows:

1) If it's not already there, add a card to Address Book with your name and 
email address.
2) From the system menu for Address Book, select Card > Make This My Card
3) Now to add a photo to the card click the Edit button at the bottom of your 
personal address card.
4) Double click the square where the photo will appear and use the chooser that 
pops up to select your preferred portrait shot.
5) Click Done at the bottom of your address card.

Cheers,
Carlo

On 18/02/2012, at 14:19 , Tony Francis wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone
> Just recently a question was asked, in regards to adding a personal Photo to 
> the e-mail, as per Ronda's  photo.
> I went looking for archives but alas no good. I have tried to work it out 
> myself but haven't been too successful . How do I attach my photo to my 
> e-mails please.
> 
> Thanking you
> 
> Kindest regards
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> Tony Francis
> antne...@mac.com
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[Tony Francis]

Good afternoon everyone
Just recently a question was asked, in regards to adding a personal Photo to 
the e-mail, as per Ronda's  photo.
I went looking for archives but alas no good. I have tried to work it out 
myself but haven't been too successful . How do I attach my photo to my e-mails 
please.

Thanking you

Kindest regards

Tony


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Re: E-mail link

[Stuart Breden]

Good.  I did work it out correctly.

Thanks.

Stuart Breden
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They don't appear to have the link set very well.
The link is:-
http://scouts.org.au/anti_mailto:bc-communicati...@scoutswa.com.au
Which if you grab the part after the mailto: then that is the email  
address

to use

bc-communicati...@scoutswa.com.au

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Hi there

I was trying to open up the e-mail link on the WA Scouts web site  
in Safari

but nothing happened.  I'm using OS 10.6.4.

Aay explanation?

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Fine for me
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Hi there

I was trying to open up the e-mail link on the WA Scouts web site in  
Safari but nothing happened.  I'm using OS 10.6.4.


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[Daniel Kerr]

They don't appear to have the link set very well.
The link is:- 
http://scouts.org.au/anti_mailto:bc-communicati...@scoutswa.com.au
Which if you grab the part after the mailto: then that is the email address
to use

bc-communicati...@scoutswa.com.au

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On 11/8/10 2:31 PM, "bred...@highway1.biz"  wrote:

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> Hi there
> 
> I was trying to open up the e-mail link on the WA Scouts web site in Safari
> but nothing happened.  I'm using OS 10.6.4.
> 
> Aay explanation?
> 
> Stuart Breden
> http://scouts.org.au/contact_us
> 
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Hi Stuart

When I open up a new message often addresses that are not currently in the
> address book come up when I search.
>
> How can I get rid of these old addresses?
>

For information on how to clean the "Previous Recipients List"
<
http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/26/cleaning-up-mails-previous-recipients-list/
>

For information on how to removed the "Previous Recipients List"


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Re: E-mail addresses not in address book

[Adrian Skehan]

Hi Stuart,

Mail menu bar > Window > Previous Recipients  you can edit the list there.


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On 12/06/2010, at 9:45 AM, Stuart Breden wrote:

> 
> When I open up a new message often addresses that are not currently in the 
> address book come up when I search.
> 
> How can I get rid of these old addresses?
> 
> Stuart Breden
> PO Box 132
> Kalamunda WA 6926
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> Mbl: 0417 053 266
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Re: e-mail attachment of large file

[Brett Clarke]

Open the photostudio image in iPhoto and then choose the email  
option. It will provide you some options re size (sml med, lge) and  
then put the image into an email using OSX mail already significantly  
compacted in size.

Brett


On 25-Jul-07, at 4:08 PM, Lloyd White wrote:


Hi Dick,

There are probably lots of ways but I use the fee-ware called  
ImageWell. You
simply drag your image on to it and you have a choice of sizes. It  
then
reduces your original to a reasonable size for emailing and puts it  
into a
folder of your choice. You then attach it to your email. Your  
original stays

untouched.

http://xtralean.com/IWOverview.html

Lloyd
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I have a large group photo I tried to scan and send by e-mail, but it
appears with large stripes across it (?Moire fringes).
Perhaps it is too large (3.8 MB), but that's how it scanned (and it
appeared OK. for me). How can I reduce it to
a smaller file size, please?

OS 10,4.8,  Mail 2.1.1, saved in photostudio,

Thanks.

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Have you tried compressing it with DropStuff or DropZip etc.? I  
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On 25/07/2007, at 7:25 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:

use preview & then export to jpg there you can reduce the quality  
(maybe you go to half or one 3rd that reduces the file size) just  
make a few tests, you may mark them in the file name with "lr" =low  
res

James
On 25/07/2007, at 15:16, Richard Anderson wrote:

I have a large group photo I tried to scan and send by e-mail, but  
it appears with large stripes across it (?Moire fringes).
Perhaps it is too large (3.8 MB), but that's how it scanned (and  
it appeared OK. for me). How can I reduce it to

a smaller file size, please?

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use preview & then export to jpg there you can reduce the quality  
(maybe you go to half or one 3rd that reduces the file size) just  
make a few tests, you may mark them in the file name with "lr" =low res

James
On 25/07/2007, at 15:16, Richard Anderson wrote:

I have a large group photo I tried to scan and send by e-mail, but  
it appears with large stripes across it (?Moire fringes).
Perhaps it is too large (3.8 MB), but that's how it scanned (and it  
appeared OK. for me). How can I reduce it to

a smaller file size, please?

OS 10,4.8,  Mail 2.1.1, saved in photostudio,

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Hi Dick,

There are probably lots of ways but I use the fee-ware called ImageWell. You
simply drag your image on to it and you have a choice of sizes. It then
reduces your original to a reasonable size for emailing and puts it into a
folder of your choice. You then attach it to your email. Your original stays
untouched.

http://xtralean.com/IWOverview.html

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> I have a large group photo I tried to scan and send by e-mail, but it
> appears with large stripes across it (?Moire fringes).
> Perhaps it is too large (3.8 MB), but that's how it scanned (and it
> appeared OK. for me). How can I reduce it to
> a smaller file size, please?
> 
> OS 10,4.8,  Mail 2.1.1, saved in photostudio,
> 
> Thanks.
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On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Bob wrote:

>> I must admit that the greatest improvement had happened since
>> Telstra replaced my cable modem after the first one I had was wiped
>> out by a lightning strike.
>
> My upload problem is the same whether I'm using Eudora, Mail or
> Entourage. To successfully upload I have to boot into a separate OS
> 9.2.2 partition and send from there. I'm using the Nortel cable modem
> supplied by Telstra.
>
> Bob
>
>

I can't remember the brand of the modem I had first - it was probably 
Nortel, since it seemed to be a standard Telstra issue - but the 
replacement is a Motorola SB4200 SURFboard Cable Modem. I sent an 800+K 
attachment just yesterday in under 30 seconds. That would have taken ten 
minutes or more when I was first using cable.

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Re: e-mail attachments

[Bob]

Some time ago I raised the problem of not being able to send e-mail
attachments using Eudora 5.1.1 under OSX 10.1.5 via Telstra cable
connection. The only replies I received inferred that I didn't know
how to attach a document etc to a e-mail etc.

For those that are interested, the problem is caused by (guess who)
Telstra. The following is the latest news on




I had this problem for ages when I first took out my cable account, 
but I have been assuming the problem had been fixed because it seems 
to have gone away. Uploads with attachments have been nice and quick 
for some time now. I'm using Mail though, not Eurdora.


I must admit that the greatest improvement had happened since 
Telstra replaced my cable modem after the first one I had was wiped 
out by a lightning strike.


My upload problem is the same whether I'm using Eudora, Mail or 
Entourage. To successfully upload I have to boot into a separate OS 
9.2.2 partition and send from there. I'm using the Nortel cable modem 
supplied by Telstra.


Bob

Re: e-mail attachments

[hinchlif]

On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 08:31 PM, Bob wrote:

>
> Some time ago I raised the problem of not being able to send e-mail
> attachments using Eudora 5.1.1 under OSX 10.1.5 via Telstra cable
> connection. The only replies I received inferred that I didn't know
> how to attach a document etc to a e-mail etc.
>
> For those that are interested, the problem is caused by (guess who)
> Telstra. The following is the latest news on
> 
>

I had this problem for ages when I first took out my cable account, but 
I have been assuming the problem had been fixed because it seems to have 
gone away. Uploads with attachments have been nice and quick for some 
time now. I'm using Mail though, not Eurdora.

I must admit that the greatest improvement had happened since Telstra 
replaced my cable modem after the first one I had was wiped out by a 
lightning strike.

--
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Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

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Re: E-mail responses - Grammar Question

[Reg Whitely]

Indeed Onno, here I hear and there I heard, or was it they're a herd?

Reg


>here, here! agree wholeheartedly!

This has bothered me for some time now, but am I correct in the
understanding that this should read:

"Hear, hear!"

Referring to the other parties who are *listening* to the discussion and
should *hear* what is being said?

Re: E-mail responses - Grammar Question / Re: Posting to WAMUG -

[Matthew Healey]

On 4/2/02 4:09 PM, "Daniel Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Any more posts, and I think Matt will step in, and end the topic ;o)
> (I could be wrong)

The beauty of this list is that most people are well behaved. On the odd
occasion that is does get out of hand the rest of the list seems to tell the
offending person or people to "take it outside". (Not that they really
should because that is the job of the list moderators, but that¹s openinga
whole different kettle of fish!)

I think the general theme behind it all is to be considerate of others,
don't ask before you search (if you know better) and be thankful for the
prompt, usually accurate answers you receive.

That way, everyone is happy.

:-)

Regards

Matthew Healey

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Re: E-mail responses - Grammar Question / Re: Posting to WAMUG -

[Daniel Kerr]

My question is this.

Wasn't the complaint not so long ago about bandwidth, and yet this
conversation has gone on more than some of the comments from that.

Any more posts, and I think Matt will step in, and end the topic ;o)
(I could be wrong)

I think the list does very well, and credit to all the people who help out
in there own little way! Surely there is some room for humour, a "side-step"
once in a blue moon. Again,...if we aren't interested don't we just stop
reading that particular "thread"

Just my 2c worth!

Enjoy!

All the best!

Daniel Kerr

Re: E-mail responses - Grammar Question

[god]

Onno,

>>here, here! agree wholeheartedly!
>
>This has bothered me for some time now, but am I correct in the 
>understanding that this should read:
>
> "Hear, hear!"
>
>Referring to the other parties who are *listening* to the discussion and 
>should *hear* what is being said?

That was my post - apologies to whomever may have been offended.

However, with no offense intended, I find it ironic and hypocritical that 
this message was posted to the entire group when you previously posted:

>From: Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 10:42 am
>
>How about sending the message to yourself, rather than bothering us 
>with it?

and:

>From: Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Date: Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:42 pm
>Since when do Owls have anything to do with Macintoshes?

and:

>From: Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 1:24 am
[snip]
>If you're going to write something, make it useful like Phillip 
>McGree's comments.
[snip]

So, I would suspect to live up to your own standards, this message should 
have been posted directly to myself, not to the list, as it neither added 
anything to the conversation, nor has anything to do with Macintoshes.

And to throw something more recent into the fray, the very message prior 
to this posting you stated:

>By sending every question that pops into your head to the list, more 
>and more of the time and effort involved in responding to those 
>messages will result in less people willing to do so.

Enough said?

Cheers

Richard

Re: E-mail responses - Grammar Question

[Onno Benschop]

here, here! agree wholeheartedly!


This has bothered me for some time now, but am I correct in the 
understanding that this should read:


"Hear, hear!"

Referring to the other parties who are *listening* to the discussion and 
should *hear* what is being said?

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Re: E-Mail Responses

[Stephen Chape]

I will second that ... Nathalie.
I find it very annoying to have scroll to the bottom of a reply to read 
the answer !!


On Friday, February 1, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Nathalie Collins wrote:


Sorry, I had to pipe up on this one.

The newest message (I believe) should go first because:


*It is the most relevant part of the message (otherwise why are you 
sending

it?), so it should go on top--previous received messages are background.

* It prevents the reader having to scroll down and search for a 
response.


Regards,
Nathalie

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Re: E-mail responses

[Gordon & Ali Morris]

Adrian,
Having read the flurry of preferred options on how to read and reply to
emails - all I can say is that everyone is missing the point. It's an
option that you want to exercise and here is how you do it.

Edit > preferences > mail & news > reply and forward tab.
Select "Prefix my reply with short header attribution lines"

On my preference note - as everybody has expressed theirs - seeing I read my
emails from oldest to latest, I prefer the latest conversation snippet at
the top of the conversation that I have already followed!

Gordo (first posting after lurking for a while)

PS - the email source will usually tell you what email package the sender is
using.

> From: Adrian Colley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:19:54 +0800
> To: WAMUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: E-mail responses
> 
> I know this is a simple question but I am yet to find the answer. How does
> one make replies to e-mails go at the top of messages rather than the
> bottom?
> Every time I reply I get my cursor blinking at the bottom of the message.
> Adrian Colley
> 
> 
> Got a Question? Try searching the WAMUG list archives first at
> 
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> 

Re: E-mail responses

[Adrian Colley]

> verily on 1/2/02 3:19 PM, our learned friend Adrian Colley residing at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus spake this wisdom:
> 
>> I know this is a simple question but I am yet to find the answer. How does
>> one make replies to e-mails go at the top of messages rather than the
>> bottom?
>> Every time I reply I get my cursor blinking at the bottom of the message.
>> Adrian Colley
> 
> Which email app?
> In Outlook Express:
> Prefs -> Compose -> Reply & Forward -> Place insertion point before quoted
> text
> 
> 
> Peter Sealy
> Lavington, Australia
> 
> How come I can understand Southerners when they write but not when they
> talk?
> - Pres R Reagan
> 
> 
Hi Peter,
No it's in Entourage

Re: E-mail responses

[Peter Sealy]

verily on 1/2/02 3:19 PM, our learned friend Adrian Colley residing at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] thus spake this wisdom:

> I know this is a simple question but I am yet to find the answer. How does
> one make replies to e-mails go at the top of messages rather than the
> bottom?
> Every time I reply I get my cursor blinking at the bottom of the message.
> Adrian Colley

Which email app?
In Outlook Express:
Prefs -> Compose -> Reply & Forward -> Place insertion point before quoted
text


Peter Sealy
Lavington, Australia

How come I can understand Southerners when they write but not when they
talk?
- Pres R Reagan

Re: E-mail responses

[J. Richard M.]

> The less convoluted the quoted replies on mailing
> lists are, the more likely I am to quickly reply and contribute.

here, here! agree wholeheartedly!

I believe that if you in a one-on-one email situation, then it's perfectly
ok to quote above, below, where ever you feel like, but in the situation
where there are two or more recipients (eg: mailing list) simply quoting the
relevant parts makes good sense.

Richard

Re: E-mail responses

[Doug Wilson]

on 1/2/02 2:49 PM, Troy Mahony at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Would you have not read the message first and then replied to the e-mail as
> I have just done??? For the record I like my blink at the top of my reply.
> 
> Mahons
> 
> SnohaM = Mahons Backwards!
> 
> on 1/2/02 2:25 PM, Onno Benschop at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> At 12:19 1/02/02 +0800, Adrian Colley wrote:
>>> I know this is a simple question but I am yet to find the answer. How does
>>> one make replies to e-mails go at the top of messages rather than the
>>> bottom?
>>> Every time I reply I get my cursor blinking at the bottom of the message.
>> 
>> That is where you are *supposed* to have it blink. Commenting on something
>> that you haven't read yet doesn't make sense. At this point I should note
>> that a group of users will be about to actually tell me that many email
>> packages don't do this - those people I refer to:
>> 

OK, now try to follow the flow of conversation with my reply at the bottom.
Now image a message thread with a dozen different replies and you're just
starting to read it. Think you could follow it? Probably but now nearly as
easily as if it's formatted from top to bottom. RFC's exist for a reason and
should be followed. I'm resending this to the list instead of just Troy to
demonstrate a point. Messages where people reply at the top when others
reply at the bottom quickly become disorganized and confusing.

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Re: E-mail responses

[Andrew Nielsen]

Can you really talk about bandwith when my message is 4k and your's is 2k.


It may seem a bit silly when you're talking about one message. But 
now multiply your message by the number of people on the mailing 
list, and ask yourself if that was the most effective use of 
bandwidth. The WAMUG list is reasonably large, but some lists I'm on 
have tens of thousands of subscribers - imagine what effect it can 
have on the server hosting the mailing list (and on the subscribers 
receiving the messages) as the messages bloat in size.


We each also pay for our Internet bandwidth - either directly or 
indirectly - and people keeping their quoted replies to a minimum on 
mailing lists helps keep our Internet connections running cheaply and 
efficiently.


In my line of work I receive and digest a lot of email, I won't bore 
you with the detailed statistics but it's in the order of 1000 
messages a week. The less convoluted the quoted replies on mailing 
lists are, the more likely I am to quickly reply and contribute.


Hope this helps.
--

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Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677
Consultants in Unix, Mac OS, Windows & networking technologies

Re: E-mail responses

[Paul S]

Dear Andrew,

Can you really talk about bandwith when my message is 4k and your's is 2k.

Seems a bit silly.

Cheers, Paul

PS - oops, did it again.
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> From: Andrew Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:14:29 +0800
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: E-mail responses
> 
> At 18:09 +0800 01/02/2002, Paul S wrote:
>> PS - if you've read this I've proved my point.
> 
> You've also demonstrated that you can waste the bandwidth of
> everybody on the list by repeating the entire previous message below
> yours.
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Re: E-mail responses

[Greg Hosking]

firstly, I was having a dig

secondly, writing the reply to an email at the top of email, like this,
saves me scrolling all the way down to the bottom of the email, saving me
time & hands (ie I don't need to touch the mouse). It also makes the
relevant part of the email (ie: the new bit) easier to find, rather than
being nestled in between the previous responses & the various footers &
signature at the bottom

thirdly, If I have been disinterested enough to not follow the thread up
until the 3rd or 4th reply, why should I suddenly take an interest & have to
work my way through the whole conversation? More likely I would already be
familiar with the thread and I don't need to reference all that stuff below,
as I'm sure you are in this case.

enough! have a good weekend, huh?

greg


Bits I would normally have deleted:

> At 3:17 PM +0800 1/2/02, Greg Hosking wrote:
>>> There are many reasons to put the message you're responding to
>> first, such as
>>> 
>>> * It encourages the recipient to *read* the original message before
>>> reading the reply. (Not that this usually works!)
>>> 
>>> * It encourages the sender to reduce the message they're replying to
>>> down to the relevant bits. Thus saving bandwidth and brevity.
>> 
>> so, the netiquette of replying after the original is to encourage the two
>> items of netiquette detailed above? hmmm...
> 
> Not just that. It also makes your part in the conversation easier to
> follow, and saves time for the reader(s) of your response. It's
> generally accepted practice to put your response after the email
> you're replying to, and to trim the original down just to the
> relevant points.
> 
> Bandwidth is a consideration, since there are still some people who
> pay for internet access by the hour, but it's more to do with not
> wasting the recipients' time trying to decipher your post, and figure
> out what part of the initial post you're responding to.
> 
> It's all covered in RFC 1855, which has all sorts of useful tips to
> do with email and mailing lists. You can find a copy at
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Anthony

Re: E-mail responses

[Andrew Nielsen]

At 18:09 +0800 01/02/2002, Paul S wrote:

PS - if you've read this I've proved my point.


You've also demonstrated that you can waste the bandwidth of 
everybody on the list by repeating the entire previous message below 
yours.

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Re: E-mail responses

[Paul S]

I like to read from the top down, I would assume that the reader has been
following the thread and just wants MY 2 cents.

Cheers, Paul

PS - if you've read this I've proved my point.
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> From: Anthony Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:47:00 +0800
> To: wamug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: E-mail responses
> 
> At 3:17 PM +0800 1/2/02, Greg Hosking wrote:
>>> There are many reasons to put the message you're responding to
>> first, such as
>>> 
>>> * It encourages the recipient to *read* the original message before
>>> reading the reply. (Not that this usually works!)
>>> 
>>> * It encourages the sender to reduce the message they're replying to
>>> down to the relevant bits. Thus saving bandwidth and brevity.
>> 
>> so, the netiquette of replying after the original is to encourage the two
>> items of netiquette detailed above? hmmm...
> 
> Not just that. It also makes your part in the conversation easier to
> follow, and saves time for the reader(s) of your response. It's
> generally accepted practice to put your response after the email
> you're replying to, and to trim the original down just to the
> relevant points.
> 
> Bandwidth is a consideration, since there are still some people who
> pay for internet access by the hour, but it's more to do with not
> wasting the recipients' time trying to decipher your post, and figure
> out what part of the initial post you're responding to.
> 
> It's all covered in RFC 1855, which has all sorts of useful tips to
> do with email and mailing lists. You can find a copy at
> <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Anthony
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Re: E-mail responses

[Anthony Briggs]

At 3:17 PM +0800 1/2/02, Greg Hosking wrote:
> There are many reasons to put the message you're responding to 
first, such as



> * It encourages the recipient to *read* the original message before

reading the reply. (Not that this usually works!)

* It encourages the sender to reduce the message they're replying to
down to the relevant bits. Thus saving bandwidth and brevity.


so, the netiquette of replying after the original is to encourage the two
items of netiquette detailed above? hmmm...


Not just that. It also makes your part in the conversation easier to 
follow, and saves time for the reader(s) of your response. It's 
generally accepted practice to put your response after the email 
you're replying to, and to trim the original down just to the 
relevant points.


Bandwidth is a consideration, since there are still some people who 
pay for internet access by the hour, but it's more to do with not 
wasting the recipients' time trying to decipher your post, and figure 
out what part of the initial post you're responding to.


It's all covered in RFC 1855, which has all sorts of useful tips to 
do with email and mailing lists. You can find a copy at 



Hope this helps,

Anthony
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Re: E-mail responses

[Bob Howells]

Personally I like to be brief and let poeople easily see what I have written.

Where there are multiple items in the one email I insert comment at the location
where it is relevant.

Now if any of you do not like that , I am perfectly happy if you just trash it.

Have fun

Bob

Who prefers to put rep[lies where they make sense,
and trashes the irrelevant. ( well almost always )

> Silly mail clients like Netscrape and Exchange used to put the
> original message last. This lead to e-mail discussions with 28 pages
> of trailing text recording the entire conversation and all its
> replies.

Re: E-mail responses

[Goodall-Smith]

Shay Telfer wrote:


Would you have not read the message first and then replied to the e-mail as
I have just done??? For the record I like my blink at the top of my reply.

Mahons

SnohaM = Mahons Backwards!



I know in Netscape Communicator you can actually set where you want the 
quoted positioned in the preferences for 'Mail Composition'... It allows 
you to start typing above or below quoted text or select the quoted text 
you wish to respond to perhaps this feature is available in the 
program you are using?...


It's all about choice really


Phil

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Re: E-mail responses

[Greg Hosking]

> There are many reasons to put the message you're responding to first, such as
> 
> * It encourages the recipient to *read* the original message before
> reading the reply. (Not that this usually works!)
> 
> * It encourages the sender to reduce the message they're replying to
> down to the relevant bits. Thus saving bandwidth and brevity.

so, the netiquette of replying after the original is to encourage the two
items of netiquette detailed above? hmmm...

greg

Re: E-mail responses

[Shay Telfer]

Would you have not read the message first and then replied to the e-mail as
I have just done??? For the record I like my blink at the top of my reply.

Mahons

SnohaM = Mahons Backwards!


There are many reasons to put the message you're responding to first, such as

* It encourages the recipient to *read* the original message before 
reading the reply. (Not that this usually works!)


* It encourages the sender to reduce the message they're replying to 
down to the relevant bits. Thus saving bandwidth and brevity.


Silly mail clients like Netscrape and Exchange used to put the 
original message last. This lead to e-mail discussions with 28 pages 
of trailing text recording the entire conversation and all its 
replies. Which was a waste of time, storage and bandwidth.


Have fun,
Shay
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Re: E-mail responses

[Troy Mahony]

Would you have not read the message first and then replied to the e-mail as
I have just done??? For the record I like my blink at the top of my reply.

Mahons

SnohaM = Mahons Backwards!

on 1/2/02 2:25 PM, Onno Benschop at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 12:19 1/02/02 +0800, Adrian Colley wrote:
>> I know this is a simple question but I am yet to find the answer. How does
>> one make replies to e-mails go at the top of messages rather than the
>> bottom?
>> Every time I reply I get my cursor blinking at the bottom of the message.
> 
> That is where you are *supposed* to have it blink. Commenting on something
> that you haven't read yet doesn't make sense. At this point I should note
> that a group of users will be about to actually tell me that many email
> packages don't do this - those people I refer to:
> 
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Re: E-mail responses

[Onno Benschop]

At 12:19 1/02/02 +0800, Adrian Colley wrote:

I know this is a simple question but I am yet to find the answer. How does
one make replies to e-mails go at the top of messages rather than the
bottom?
Every time I reply I get my cursor blinking at the bottom of the message.


That is where you are *supposed* to have it blink. Commenting on something 
that you haven't read yet doesn't make sense. At this point I should note 
that a group of users will be about to actually tell me that many email 
packages don't do this - those people I refer to: 

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