Re: [wanita-muslimah] Voltaire dan Aristoteles pernah bilang, Abraham asalnya dari India

2006-01-11 Terurut Topik SUTIYOSO WIJANARKO WIJANARKO
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radityo djadjoeri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Voltaire dan Aristoteles 
pernah bilang, Abraham asalnya dari India
   
  Voltaire, filsuf asal Perancis pernah menuliskan bahwa sosok Abraham 
  sebetulnya berasal dari India, bukan dari Timur Tengah atau Jazirah Arab. 
   
Jauh  di masa sebelumnya, Aristoteles, filsuf Yunani berucap: These Jews are  
derived from the Indian philosophers;  they are named by the  Indians Calani, 
seperti pernah ditulis oleh
  Flavius Josephus. Pemikiran ini juga didukung oleh Clearchus dalam
  bukunya.  
   
  Paper karya Gene D. berikut ini juga menyinggung soal itu:
  ..The word Abraham is none other than a malpronunciation of 
  the word  Brahma
   
  Jadi, apakah sejarah agama-agama karya kaum Semit perlu dirombak 
  total?
   
  =
  Who Was ABRAHAM?
  A paper by Gene D. Matlock, B.A., M.A.
   
  http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html
   
  In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius 
  Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle 
  had said: ...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; 
  they are named by the Indians Calani. (Book I:22.)
   
  Clearchus of Soli wrote, The Jews descend from the philosophers of 
  India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria 
  Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is 
  called 'Jerusalem.'
   
  Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three 
  hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries 
  are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were 
  an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...' (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey 
  Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)
   
  Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and 
  Religions of the Parsis, The Magi are said to have called their 
  religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim. They traced their religious books to Abraham, 
  who was believed to have brought them from heaven. (p. 16.)
  There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma 
  and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are 
  more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only 
  one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu 
  sect.
   
  In his book Moisés y los Extraterrestres, Mexican author Tomás 
  Doreste states, Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some 
of the 
  numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings 
  throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the 
  following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city 
  of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the 
  road to India, where that Brahman had been born.
   
  The name of Brahma was highly respected in India, and his influence 
  spread throughout Persia as far as the lands bathed by the rivers 
  Euphrates and Tigris. The Persians adopted Brahma and made him their 
  own. Later they would say that the God arrived from Bactria, a 
  mountainous region situated midway on the road to India. (pp. 46-47.)
  Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a 
  prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called 
  Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant place or town. Therefore, the bible was correct 
  in stating that Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldeans. Chaldean, 
  more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific 
  ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste 
  who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state 
  of Kashmir.
   
  The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left 
  the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, 
  or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of 
  the place which they had left in India, Maturea. 
  (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)
   
  He was of the religion or sect of Persia, and of Melchizedek.
  (Vol. I, p. 364.)
   
  The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as 
  well as the Jews.  Thus we see that according to all ancient history the 
Persians, the 
  Jews, and the Arabians  are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that 
Terah, the 
  father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the 
Chaldees or 
  Culdees, to dwell  in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had 
dwelt there, 
  

[wanita-muslimah] Voltaire dan Aristoteles pernah bilang, Abraham asalnya dari India

2006-01-10 Terurut Topik radityo djadjoeri
Voltaire dan Aristoteles pernah bilang, Abraham asalnya dari India
 
Voltaire, filsuf asal Perancis pernah menuliskan bahwa sosok Abraham 
sebetulnya berasal dari India, bukan dari Timur Tengah atau Jazirah Arab. 
 
Jauh di masa sebelumnya, Aristoteles, filsuf Yunani berucap: These Jews are 
derived from the Indian philosophers;  they are named by the Indians Calani, 
seperti pernah ditulis oleh
Flavius Josephus. Pemikiran ini juga didukung oleh Clearchus dalam
bukunya.  
 
Paper karya Gene D. berikut ini juga menyinggung soal itu:
..The word Abraham is none other than a malpronunciation of 
the word  Brahma
 
Jadi, apakah sejarah agama-agama karya kaum Semit perlu dirombak 
total?
 
=
Who Was ABRAHAM?
A paper by Gene D. Matlock, B.A., M.A.
 
http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html
 
In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius 
Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle 
had said: ...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; 
they are named by the Indians Calani. (Book I:22.)
 
Clearchus of Soli wrote, The Jews descend from the philosophers of 
India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria 
Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is 
called 'Jerusalem.'
 
Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three 
hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries 
are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were 
an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...' (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey 
Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)
 
Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and 
Religions of the Parsis, The Magi are said to have called their 
religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim. They traced their religious books to Abraham, 
who was believed to have brought them from heaven. (p. 16.)
There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma 
and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are 
more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only 
one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu 
sect.
 
In his book Moisés y los Extraterrestres, Mexican author Tomás 
Doreste states, Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of 
the 
numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings 
throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the 
following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city 
of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the 
road to India, where that Brahman had been born.
 
The name of Brahma was highly respected in India, and his influence 
spread throughout Persia as far as the lands bathed by the rivers 
Euphrates and Tigris. The Persians adopted Brahma and made him their 
own. Later they would say that the God arrived from Bactria, a 
mountainous region situated midway on the road to India. (pp. 46-47.)
Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a 
prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called 
Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant place or town. Therefore, the bible was correct 
in stating that Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldeans. Chaldean, 
more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific 
ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste 
who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state 
of Kashmir.
 
The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left 
the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, 
or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of 
the place which they had left in India, Maturea. 
(Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)
 
He was of the religion or sect of Persia, and of Melchizedek.
(Vol. I, p. 364.)
 
The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as 
well as the Jews.  Thus we see that according to all ancient history the 
Persians, the 
Jews, and the Arabians  are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that 
Terah, the 
father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the 
Chaldees or 
Culdees, to dwell  in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had 
dwelt there, 
Abraham, or Abram,  or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left 
their 
father's family and came  into Canaan. The identity of Abraham and Sara with 
Brahma 
and Saraiswati was first pointed out by the Jesuit missionaries.
(Vol. I; p. 387.)
 
In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's sister. The bible gives two 
stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that 
he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second 
version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his 
sister. However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said 
that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! ...and yet