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writes:It was not vikings
from Norway. It was mainly the Vikings from eastern Sweden ==But is not a Viking, a Viking? Or do the hats, clothes,
etc., etc. really make that much of a difference? Don't they all believe in
Thor, Odin, etc., etc.? Aren't they all great sailors and explorers? Didn't
they all take civilization to the uncivilized and bring the world closer
together?
Yes and
no.
-No as the Vikings,
at least in the first centurys, plundered and killed whatever they found.
Places of trade, monesterys or where ever anything of value could be
found.
-Yes in the context that after
these times the vikings took up trading, they were also tradesmen and
craftsmen (the viking ships could transport tons and tons of load). They also
grounded tradingplaces. One og those were Dublin, now the Capital of Ireland.
The viking buildings has been excavated.
But at some time it was prayd in
the churches in central Europe: For the wild northern men, protect us dear
God!
During a time of nearly 100 years a
Danish king, and later his son, ruled Denmark, South Sweden, Norway, England
and Ireland.
They were mighty men, but the
eastgoing, southgoing and westgoing vikings were different tribes. They knew
of each other, but to say that they were one and the same is to go too far. I
think that it's more correct to say that climate and spirit of those distant
times shaped the viking civilization.
Claes Persson
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It's under discussion, but not in the scientific world. They don't dare
to tuch the storys. It would rampage the whole religious
ivorytower.I don't see where that
would/should be true.
I
do.If the storys in all of the present religious books are proved
wrong the base of these religions tumble to dust. Or it should be the
consequeces. However, what people choose to beleve in the context of a
religion must not have anything to do with facts.There isn't
a doubt in my mind that God exists, but at the same time, I know full well
that the Torah/Bible and other religious books were all written by
primitive, uneducated men, hard-pressed to explain what they had seen or to
explain what they believed. Adam, Eve and the Garden of Eden are NOT
exclusive Jewish property. All societies have legends about the beginnings,
and if people can get past their bigotry and look honestly at history, they
will quickly realize that it's not our differences we should be focusing on,
but the miraculous similarities that we have with each other. ... i.e.:
Isn't the realization that every society on this planet has a similar legend
for how life began far more important than to focus on the Judeo/Christian
one of Adam and Eve to the exclusion of all others? Especially when you
realize that they "borrowed" the story of the Garden of Eden from someone
else.
Some have surprizingly similar explanations but others differ
quite a lot. The natives of Australia and the diffierent tribes of South and
North America or in Africa have no similarities with the explanations born
in "the fertile half moon", the present middle east. However, I think they
all were constucted in order to have an answere to "why" and "how" the
civilizations was born, and there is no reason, in my mind, to take the
mythical part of them for true except for the historical places where they
are supposed to have taken place.
The
same priciple is used constantly in fiction novels. The place excist, but
that storys personalities are only a result of the authors imagination. In
many years from now it will be possible to excavate some of the places where
those storys are supposed to have been taken place, but never the less: the
people and the events have never taken place except for in the authors
imagination.
And if there
isn't a large kernel of truth buried in all these stories, how can one
explain how people, completely separated from each other, all came up with
the same, basic ideas?
People, completely separated from each other, has
similar storys to tell about the oldest times. But were they so completely
separated? Communications from the Read See over and around India and Sri
Lanka to the Far East were frecquent long before our modern time begun 2000
years ago and very long before the Europeans "discovered" the way to the
Indian Ocean. So was the storys spread from Middle East to China and back
and the chineese culture were thousends of years older that those in the
middle east. It's a very complicated picture, not fully
understand.
How come that the building of pyramids took place
in both Egypt and in Mexico? Does that indicates a connection between Egypt
and Mexico? Thor Heyerdahl, with the Kon-Tiki expedition and the Raa boats,
the last real explorer who died reasently, has some ideas on this and he
proved that it was possible to travel over the Atlantic (and The Pacific)
already in those anscient days, but, on the other hand, is the pyramid shape
so difficult to think of that the fact that it's been used in both Egypt and
Mexico must indicate a connection? I don't think so!
Darwin postulated on the origin of the species -- everything on
this planet evolved from the same atom, stewing in the primordial soup ...
that may explain the evolution of the body -- but not of the ideas formulated
by the brain.
Why not? Is it maybe your locking in religion that
says so? What a specie has use of stays and is spread as it benefits survival.
The humans has been successful in inhabiting the earth.
Claes Persson
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In a message dated 5/6/02 4:40:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WHOA! -- What Explosion? That sounds like something I'd love to explore farther ... Any books on the subject you could recommend? Certainly. Read Erich von Dänikens books. In all he raise a lot of qustions that no one dare to answere. At least they will leave you with a lot of irritating questions, but as far as I have understood you - you are locked into a relegion and might not be glad over these questions. Most probable, you will react by doubt and denial. "Locked into a religion"? ... MOI? ... If you mean an organized system of belief that would give me a label -- No, I'm not. I don't believe in accidents -- I believe everything happens for a reason. (Because this was done -- this occured) I do believe in a higher power, which I refer to as "God" because of my Christian upbringing (If I'd been raised as a Muslim, I'd say "Allah"), because it is inconceivable to me that all this (step outside, open eyes, look at earth, sky, etc., etc.) could be the result of an "accident" ... besides, if evolution was really true -- mothers would have at least 4 hands! :) And, as I stated in another message, I think the Bible was written by uneducated (ignorant if you prefer) men who were hard pressed to explain the wonders they had seen in terms that the average person of the day could comprehend. The teachings in the Bible -- or Word of God, if you prefer -- are straight-forward and not open to discussion (Thou shall not kill, etc.) but the descriptions of events like the parting of the Red Sea, or Ezekiel's charriot ... they can be interpreted/explained many ways. The Bible speaks many times about the "Host of Angels" or the "Heavenly Host" ... who are we, as mere mortals, to say what that really is or isn't? Oh -- I searched Amazon for Erich von Däniken (I should have recognized that name!) and came up with 36 choices. I have seen the specials on the Discovery Channel and TLC, but I don't remember anything about an explosion -- other than the one in Siberia. Could you narrow it down to a particular book? Lawana ___ Check out http://clik.to/sf for other lists to join. A93MR48T18 ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1dhdK.b1tdRU Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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"Locked into a religion"?
... MOI? ... If you mean an organized system of belief that would give
me a label -- No, I'm not. I don't believe in accidents -- I believe
everything happens for a reason. (Because this was done -- this
occured)I do believe in a higher power, which I refer to as "God"
because of my Christian upbringing (If I'd been raised as a Muslim, I'd say
"Allah"), because it is inconceivable to me that all this (step outside, open
eyes, look at earth, sky, etc., etc.) could be the result of an "accident" ...
besides, if evolution was really true -- mothers would have at least 4
hands! :
As I
said before. You are locked in a religious reference frame. Look at earth,
sky... and that is proof of some higher entity? It's only your fantasy. Sorry,
but I'm waisting my time. You are too far gone to think
free.
Claes
Persson
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Claes Persson wrote: As I said before. You are locked in a religious reference frame. Look at earth, sky... and that is proof of some higher entity? It's only your fantasy. Sorry, but I'm waisting my time. You are too far gone to think free. --- What an incredibly arrogant, narrow-minded attitude that reveals! ___ Check out http://clik.to/sf for other lists to join. A93MR48T18 ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1dhdK.b1tdRU Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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