[wtr-general] Watir-classic execute_script no longer working in IE11
Hello all,
Recently Microsoft submitted a patch that appears to break/remove
*ExecuteScript. *I think this is causing *driver.execute_script* to fail
with access denied error message when using watir-classic.
Since IE11 removes support for *ExecuteScript*, is it possible to use *eval
*instead?
*Environment:*
Win7x64.
ruby 2.0.0p195 (2013-05-14) [i386-mingw32]
IE11 v11.0.9600.175.01.
Update version: 11.0.15 kb3008923
*Relevant links:*
https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/1078055/executescript-failing-with-access-denied-when-kb3025390-is-installed
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/bg182625(v=vs.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms536420(v=vs.85).aspx
*Error message:*
irb(main):043:0> driver.execute_script(';')
WIN32OLERuntimeError: (in OLE method `execScript': )
OLE error code:80070005 in
Access is denied.
HRESULT error code:0x80020009
Exception occurred.
from
c:/Ruby200/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/watir-classic-3.7.0/lib/watir-classic/page-container.rb:29:in
`method_missing'
from
c:/Ruby200/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/watir-classic-3.7.0/lib/watir-classic/page-container.rb:29:in
`rescue in execute_script'
from
c:/Ruby200/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/watir-classic-3.7.0/lib/watir-classic/page-container.rb:22:in
`execute_script'
from (irb):43
from c:/Ruby200/bin/irb:12:in `'
irb(main):044:0>
Thanks for the help.
-Chris
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[wtr-general] Watir-WebDriver vs Selenium WebDriver Python bindings
Hello, I'm making a case for Watir-WebDriver at work, and I'd like your insights. First, a little background: Automated front end testing is going to be owned by the QA department. We're a small group of QAs, some more technical than others, but none of us are programmers. Over the past three months I have been developing a Watir-WebDriver codebase. It's coming along and I have some reusable code that is now running hourly on a continuos integration. Lately my work has garned some attention, and I find myself in a tough position. On one hand, people are enthused. On the other hand, they are curious about using the Python bindings to use WebDriver. The reason is, there are more devs that know Python (one dev in particular has done a fair amount of Selenium WebDriver work in Python), and a few of the QAs know Python too. They seem to think this is a language issue, and while I'm biased cause I love Ruby, my argument is that the Watir API simply outclasses the Selenium bindings (including the Ruby bindings!). I don't want this to turn into a Python vs. Ruby conversation, but I'd like some insight on the Selenium WebDriver bindings vs Watir-WebDriver. What are some things that the Selenium bindings (particularly Python) do well? What about Watir-WebDriver? Since we're not programmers, and we will likely not hire programmers for QA, my reasons for using Watir-WebDriver are largely due to the simplicity and directness of it. It's very easy to get up and running, and therefore it would be easy to train in new QAs and have them grok the codebase. I've compared Watir-WebDriver code to Selenium Python code and it's just staggering how much easier and more natural the Watir-WebDriver code flows. I've also written simple tests with the Selenium Python bindings and, in my opinion, it's not nearly as intuitive and requires a lot more code to do the same thing. It doesn't hurt that the Watir community is awesome - that really fuels the fire. Basically, my job is to stick up for Watir-WebDriver. I firmly believe that it's the best way to use WebDriver, and I also believe it has a great future. I'm looking for any insights you have. Thanks. -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[wtr-general] Watir vs Watir Web-driver
In the Watir book, during the Installation chapter it say that if you are new to Watir, start with the webdriver gem, why is it best for new users to start with the webdriver gem? -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[wtr-general] CFP: Second Writing About Testing peer conference, Durango CO May 13/14
Details available here: http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/call-for-participation-second-writing.html Writing About Testing is a peer conference for those interested in influencing the public discourse on software testing and software development by writing and speaking on those subjects. The discussion revolves around blogging, giving presentations at conferences and user groups, and writing for established media outlets, both for pay and for other reasons. There will very likely be representatives from established media outlets attending. Having software writers and publishers talking to each other face to face is a unique aspect of WAT. For the first WAT conference we asked only that participants be interested and have had already written about software. The second WAT will be a little different. For the second WAT we ask that applicants propose a talk (informal is fine, no slides required) of 30-45 minutes about some subject critical to their work as a tester or developer, or designer or business analyst, but which is not generally recognized as being part of such work. A list of suggestions for such talks is below. The purpose of this is to expand the practice of software beyond the current artificial boundaries of recognized software activity. -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. watir-general@googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[wtr-general] onclick="return confirm..
Hello,
I see many articles on dealing with popups and I have tried
implementing the functions given, however the OK button simply is not
getting clicked.
The specific function I am dealing with is the onclick="return
confirm('confirmation text')
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[wtr-general] Re: Differences between Watir, FireWatir, Webdriver ?
> ps: Why don't people make them become consistent and unique for all > browsers ( IE, FF, Safari... )? Unlurking for a minute because this is an interesting question. IE has a proprietary API published by Microsoft. Microsoft also has a long history of jacking anyone who emulates their public APIs by changing them so as to make critical applications no longer function with MS products. So no one is interested in emulating the proprietary IE API. Firefox runs so many places that it is essentially an OS unto itself. To drive FF via its API, you have to pretty much turn it into a telnet server and turn the tests running in the browser into little telnet clients. Safari has its own Mac-specific API, and shares a rendering engine with Chrome. The *watir projects attempted to address each individual API from within the Watir framework itself. And they did a good job. But Simon Stewart had this crazy idea to do it independently himself. And when Simon went to work for Google, google took over some of the maintenance of that code, called Webdriver. Today, I don't think anyone would argue that the Webdriver library is better than what exists in the Watir framework. Webdriver is robust enough now to be very useful, and both the Selenium and Watir projects are migrating to using Webdriver as the only browser engine. Webdriver itself could use a lot more documentation than it has, and I actually wanted to work on that this summer, but my life didn't allow it. -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. You received this message because you are subscribed to http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general To post: watir-general@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: watir-general+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[wtr-general] OT: selenium-webdriver Ruby help?
I know a few of you are working in watir-webdriver. I am doing a small script using selenium-webdriver and I ran across something that looks like a bug in the framework, that might be interesting. If you would like to help me figure this out, let me know off the list, christopher dot mcmahon on gmail. Thanks! -- Before posting, please read http://watir.com/support. In short: search before you ask, be nice. You received this message because you are subscribed to http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general To post: watir-general@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
[wtr-general] Re: FireWatir broken on OSX 10.6.1 Snow Leopard
awesome, thank you On Nov 3, 8:51 am, Charley Baker wrote: > Hey Chris, > > This has been fixed in the latest release candidate 1.6.5.rc2, the change > was calling firefox-bin to start it up instead of the firefox shell > script.http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/3c3a130b2e8f48a1d1e0c5ceab4f44f6b... > > If you want to give 1.6.5.rc2 a try, here are the gems and some > instructionshttp://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Development+Builds > otherwise I am planning to do an official release of 1.6.5 this week barring > any reported problems. > > Charley Baker > Lead Developer, Watir,http://www.watir.com > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Chris McMahon > > wrote: > > > Hi... > > > Oddly enough my problem is described exactly in a Selenium thread here: > >http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1364523/firefox-bin-quit-unexpecte... > > > Firefox runs normally until I try to use FireWatir. The error message is as > > described in the stackoverflow page. > > > When I do > > > mv /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/libsqlite3.dylib > > /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/libsqlite3.dylib.orig > > > Firefox won't launch normally or under FireWatir, and reports > > > SQLite Version Error/The application has been updated, but your version of > > SQLite is too old and the application cannot run. > > > (Interestingly, the identical issue at mozilla > >http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/forum/1/486263is marked "solved" even > > though the only successful strategy was to roll back FF to an earlier > > version. Also, more information here: > >http://jira.openqa.org/browse/SRC-743) > > > I don't see any sign of an authoritative fix. If anyone has one, please > > let me know. > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] FireWatir broken on OSX 10.6.1 Snow Leopard
Hi... Oddly enough my problem is described exactly in a Selenium thread here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1364523/firefox-bin-quit-unexpectedly-while-running-selenium-test Firefox runs normally until I try to use FireWatir. The error message is as described in the stackoverflow page. When I do mv /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/libsqlite3.dylib /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/libsqlite3.dylib.orig Firefox won't launch normally or under FireWatir, and reports SQLite Version Error/The application has been updated, but your version of SQLite is too old and the application cannot run. (Interestingly, the identical issue at mozilla http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/forum/1/486263 is marked "solved" even though the only successful strategy was to roll back FF to an earlier version. Also, more information here: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/SRC-743) I don't see any sign of an authoritative fix. If anyone has one, please let me know. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Basic authentication on Linux with FireWatir
FWIW: http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/internet-explorer-basic-authorization.html On Oct 28, 1:20 am, Angrez Singh wrote: > I have added the basic authentication mechanism to Firewatir. Its not yet > released. Me & Bret need to finalize on the syntax, method name etc so that > its easier to use both with Watir/Firewatir. > > - Angrez > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Raveendran P wrote: > > Hi Aedorn, > > > I got some idea's from Selenium.I implemented it in my Watir > > scripts. Have you tried this way? -- >http://bit.ly/21zDrH > > > Awaiting your reply > > > Thanks > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Ethan wrote: > > >> Yeah, you should be able to get a handle to the window where you enter > >> username/password, get the text fields on that window, set them, click the > >> 'ok' button. That'd all be in javascript over the jssh socket. > > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 20:28, aidy lewis wrote: > > >>> The Firefox browser is completly scriptable. I would suggest looking > >>> at the Mozilla js classes. > > >>> 2009/10/27 Chris : > > >>> > I looked into this a long time ago, and there is no way to persist a > >>> > Basic Auth session in a browser. You have to have credentials for > >>> > every page request and every frame within every page. I was hacking > >>> > around deep in the guts of Watir trying to make this work and failed. > > >>> > Nor do I know of any other tool that makes this possible. There might > >>> > be something fancy you could do in multiple libraries used by Watir, > >>> > buiret I did not have that kind of mandate. > > >>> > I suggest a well-designed set of manual tours. > > >>> > -Chris > > >>> > On Oct 27, 1:53 pm, Aedorn Varanis wrote: > >>> >> This doesn't really solve the problem. > > >>> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM, aidy lewis < > >>> aidy.le...@googlemail.com>wrote: > > >>> >> > Can you not set your trusted uri's in about:config > > >>> >> > network.automatic-ntlm-auth.trusted-uris ? > > >>> >> > Aidy > > >>> >> > 2009/10/27 Aedorn Varanis : > >>> >> > > I took a look around but it doesn't like there's any answer to > >>> this. I've > >>> >> > > recently been tasked to automate testing of a product, and the > >>> only thing > >>> >> > I > >>> >> > > can't seem to solve is basic authentication, which is rather funny > >>> to me, > >>> >> > > but not so much to those who are waiting on this being done. > > >>> >> > > So how can one go about doing basic authentication with > >>> FireWatir/Firefox > >>> >> > on > >>> >> > > Linux currently? > > > -- > > Regards, > > P.Raveendran > >http://raveendran.wordpress.com > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Basic authentication on Linux with FireWatir
On Oct 28, 1:20 am, Angrez Singh wrote: > I have added the basic authentication mechanism to Firewatir. Its not yet > released. Me & Bret need to finalize on the syntax, method name etc so that > its easier to use both with Watir/Firewatir. That's cool. I could have used that some time ago. :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Basic authentication on Linux with FireWatir
I looked into this a long time ago, and there is no way to persist a Basic Auth session in a browser. You have to have credentials for every page request and every frame within every page. I was hacking around deep in the guts of Watir trying to make this work and failed. Nor do I know of any other tool that makes this possible. There might be something fancy you could do in multiple libraries used by Watir, but I did not have that kind of mandate. I suggest a well-designed set of manual tours. -Chris On Oct 27, 1:53 pm, Aedorn Varanis wrote: > This doesn't really solve the problem. > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM, aidy lewis wrote: > > > > > Can you not set your trusted uri's in about:config > > > network.automatic-ntlm-auth.trusted-uris ? > > > Aidy > > > 2009/10/27 Aedorn Varanis : > > > I took a look around but it doesn't like there's any answer to this. I've > > > recently been tasked to automate testing of a product, and the only thing > > I > > > can't seem to solve is basic authentication, which is rather funny to me, > > > but not so much to those who are waiting on this being done. > > > > So how can one go about doing basic authentication with FireWatir/Firefox > > on > > > Linux currently? > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Answering incomplete requests
> 1. Stop responding to incomplete requests. Maybe they will repost with > more information. Maybe not. Anyway, just ignore them. > 2. Humiliate them and question their right to claim to be a tester if > they can't even report a problem correctly. Make it clear that Watir is > only for testers who have some basic competence. > 3. What else? 2. is a bad option. That one nearly killed the Perl community a decade ago, and it's still an issue. one option might be to emulate the Perl community of the time and start a 'watir-beginners' list, with a commitment from some veterans to spend time there, but emphasize that it is a list for newbies to help each other. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] had to issue 3 'gem install watir' commands
hi Watir people, long time no email. I want to use Watir for a little project. I was installing it on a Vista desktop. Because it took 3 tries to get everything, Bret suggested I mention that here. Here is the full transcript of the installation, which happened to still be up in my shell: C:\Users\ChrisMc>irb irb(main):001:0> exit C:\Users\ChrisMc>gem install watir Bulk updating Gem source index for: http://gems.rubyforge.org Install required dependency win32-process? [Yn] Y Install required dependency windows-pr? [Yn] Y Install required dependency windows-api? [Yn] Y Install required dependency win32-api? [Yn] Y Select which gem to install for your platform (i386-mswin32) 1. win32-api 1.4.5 (ruby) 2. win32-api 1.4.5 (x86-mswin32-60) 3. win32-api 1.4.4 (ruby) 4. win32-api 1.4.4 (x86-mswin32-60) 5. Skip this gem 6. Cancel installation > 2 Install required dependency win32-api? [Yn] Y Select which gem to install for your platform (i386-mswin32) 1. win32-api 1.4.5 (ruby) 2. win32-api 1.4.5 (x86-mswin32-60) 3. Skip this gem 4. Cancel installation > 1 Install required dependency test-unit? [Yn] Install required dependency hoe? [Yn] Y Install required dependency rubyforge? [Yn] Y Install required dependency json_pure? [Yn] Y Install required dependency rake? [Yn] Y Building native extensions. This could take a while... ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::Installer::ExtensionBuildError) ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. ruby extconf.rb install watir checking for strncpy_s()... no creating Makefile nmake 'nmake' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Gem files will remain installed in c:/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/win32-api-1.4. 5 for inspection. Results logged to c:/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/win32-api-1.4.5/ext/gem_make.ou t C:\Users\ChrisMc>gem install watir Install required dependency win32-process? [Yn] Y Install required dependency windows-pr? [Yn] Y Install required dependency activesupport? [Yn] Y Install required dependency commonwatir? [Yn] Y Install required dependency user-choices? [Yn] Y Install required dependency xml-simple? [Yn] Y Install required dependency s4t-utils? [Yn] Y Install required dependency builder? [Yn] Y Install required dependency firewatir? [Yn] Y Successfully installed watir-1.6.2 Successfully installed win32-process-0.6.1 Successfully installed windows-pr-1.0.8 Successfully installed activesupport-2.3.4 Successfully installed commonwatir-1.6.2 Successfully installed user-choices-1.1.6 Successfully installed xml-simple-1.0.12 Successfully installed s4t-utils-1.0.4 Successfully installed builder-2.1.2 Successfully installed firewatir-1.6.2 Installing ri documentation for watir-1.6.2... Installing ri documentation for win32-process-0.6.1... Installing ri documentation for windows-pr-1.0.8... Installing ri documentation for activesupport-2.3.4... Installing ri documentation for commonwatir-1.6.2... Installing ri documentation for user-choices-1.1.6... Installing ri documentation for s4t-utils-1.0.4... Installing ri documentation for builder-2.1.2... While generating documentation for builder-2.1.2 ... MESSAGE: Unhandled special: Special: type=17, text="" ... RDOC args: --ri --op c:/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/doc/builder-2.1.2/ri --title Builder -- Easy XML Building --main README --line-numbers --quiet lib CHANGES Ra kefile README doc/releases/builder-1.2.4.rdoc doc/releases/builder-2.0.0.rdoc do c/releases/builder-2.1.1.rdoc (continuing with the rest of the installation) Installing ri documentation for firewatir-1.6.2... Installing RDoc documentation for watir-1.6.2... Installing RDoc documentation for win32-process-0.6.1... Installing RDoc documentation for windows-pr-1.0.8... Installing RDoc documentation for activesupport-2.3.4... Installing RDoc documentation for commonwatir-1.6.2... Installing RDoc documentation for user-choices-1.1.6... Installing RDoc documentation for s4t-utils-1.0.4... Installing RDoc documentation for builder-2.1.2... Installing RDoc documentation for firewatir-1.6.2... C:\Users\ChrisMc>gem install watir Successfully installed watir-1.6.2 Installing ri documentation for watir-1.6.2... Installing RDoc documentation for watir-1.6.2... C:\Users\ChrisMc>gem install watir Successfully installed watir-1.6.2 Installing ri documentation for watir-1.6.2... Installing RDoc documentation for watir-1.6.2... C:\Users\ChrisMc> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: after massive watir crawl..
> > looks to me that something must be stuck somewhere, and I need to > clear that away, but I don't know what I need to clear away.. I > restarted the computer, but the problem does not go away. > > Could anyone tell me what I need to clear away in order to have smooth > internet access?? I seem to recall that Ruby under some circumstances will hog memory until Bad Things Happen. If you're crawling all these pages and saving bits of information, be sure you're writing out to a file along the way and flushing the write buffer when you do it. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] nice PNSQC paper on security testing with Ruby/Watir
>From Jim Knowlton, this showed up on Twitter just now, I read it over, very well done I think: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2VIeFg5LMV6NTZkMzM2MDktNDAyNC00ZTliLWI3MjAtYWE3OTJlYTk4YzA0&hl=en Apparently this is a draft, and Knowlton is soliciting comments. @jimknowlton --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Data driven test using .CSV file
On Jul 25, 9:03 am, RAM wrote: > Hi allI am very new to Watiranybody here knows how to > import value from .CSV files and Export Results into an .CSV file in > Watir. > Please reply and provide links if similar subject is already posted. I wrote a toy framework that does exactly this: http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/ui-test-framework-design-using-watir.html Please let us know if that is useful. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir vs Selenium
I've worked with Selenium the past two years. It's an excellent tool. For one thing, support for multiple browsers is excellent because the way Selenium goes about manipulating pages is consistent from browser to browser. Watir is rapidly achieving support for multiple browsers, but it is using different mechanisms to manipulate each browser. I recently found an instance where Watir was far better than Selenium. I had a need to analyze a web site that contained a lot of poorly-formed HTML. Selenium would not recognize the pages at all, but Watir worked quite well. At one time Watir was somewhat easier to learn, although I think Selenium (especially with Selenium-RC) has been catching up. Traditionally Selenium appealed more to developers new to testing and Watir more to testers new to development, but I think that distinction is disappearing. So I'd say: try them both, build a few dozen assertions about the behavior of your particular site with each, and see which is more comfortable. On May 1, 1:51 am, venky wrote: > Hi All, > > I had worked with watir. I would like to explore selenium too as both > are open source. I am very curious to know the advantages and > disadvantages of watir and selenium when both are compared. If the > answer is "It depends on requirement" kindly let me know for which > requirement which is the best tool to choose. > I had googled "watir vs selenium". But I would be satisfied if most of > the experienced QA engineers here share their experience, as it would > be very helpfull to all. > > Comparison with Watir and other open source are welcome... > > Thanks, > Venkathttp://www.prog2impress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: thinking about automation frameworks/harnesses
On Apr 29, 12:47 am, JArkelen wrote: > It wasn't broad criticism, it was just my 2 cents about combining test > data and object data. I don't know what you mean by "object data". Probably a character flaw on my part, but that's why I was hoping for an example of what you meant. And since the original example is so tiny (and so imperative), refactoring it shouldn't take more than a minute or so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: thinking about automation frameworks/harnesses
On Apr 28, 8:56 am, JArkelen wrote: > No, I have my own framework/directory structure for my tests and I'm > perfectly happy with it. It seems hardly sporting to issue such a broad criticism and then leave without an example. :-) I wrote this to illustrate some principles of UI-test design, such that I could explain it to an audience in less than 30 minutes, not knowing how sophisticated that audience might be. It is intentionally simple, and it is pretty much an imperative programming style. If you see a way to make it better while keeping it simple, I'd very much like to see what you have in mind. Also, I'm a pretty crappy OO programmer, so again, I would learn something to see what changes you have in mind. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: thinking about automation frameworks/harnesses
On Apr 28, 12:13 am, JArkelen wrote: > I can imagine why you want to separate the test data from the test > script, but mixing it with the object data makes it confusing in my > opinion. > It would be better to separate both the test data and the object data > to start with. Probably so. Want to refactor it and put it in a comment? -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] thinking about automation frameworks/harnesses
Bret has mentioned on any number of occasions that one of the hardest things for a new user of Watir to grasp is how to go about building a test framework or a test harness. I wrote a simple, but useful, test harness in about 50 lines of code, that demonstrates a few important principles of a test harness here: http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/ui-test-framework-design-using-watir.html This code is a very simple emulation of the harness I've been using for the past two years, which is currently supporting more than 10,000 individual assertions about the behavior of an application, so I know this scheme is effective and scalable. Please note: I wrote this demo as part of my campaign to get a new job. If you use it for the same purpose, it would behoove you to say where you got it. It might also be helpful to make it a little fancier. Also, if you use it as a basis for your own test harness, I'd appreciate it if you let me know. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Apply a patch to FireWatir and JSSH
> Does anyone know what that means/can post a step by step guide for > it? Or is there a better way to run multiple instances? Use Selenium-RC? :-) Seriously though, this would be a great feature to have. The problem is that Firefox depends on a "profile". Selenium is smart enough to start each FF instance pointed at its own profile, but jssh never built that in. But since jssh is abandonware, it'll be tough to get that feature working well. Sai Venkat just this week checked in a spike to use WebDriver's "Firedriver" (I think) rather than jssh, but it'll be some time I think before any of this is well-supported in Watir. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: FireWatir bug/anomaly
> Calling the "methods" method on the element reveals that the "set"
> method you are calling is not present. I was surprised to see that
> this method exists - I've always used the "select" method, which works
> fine. The RDoc reveals that set should be an alias for select.
>
> I would suggest using the select method for the time being:
> @browser.select_list(:id,"cAbb").select("software jobs")
>
> However, if you wish to use the set method, add the following code to
> your firewatir/htmlelements.rb file in the SelectList class beneath
> the select method's definition:
> alias :set :select
Alex, thanks very much. I should have thought of some of that
myself-- it has been some time since I've worked closely with Watir.
Seems like I should have gotten a NoMethodError trying what I did, but
I'm glad that there *is* a right method.
-Chris
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[wtr-general] Re: Test Automation? Pashaw!
On Apr 4, 2:22 pm, Paul Rogers wrote: > get a copy of Lisa Crispins and Janet Gregorys book. There lots of good > stuff in there about this kind of situation. And may I point out in particular (ahem) page 260 sidebar "Giving Testers Better Work". Automation exercises function; people exercise aesthetic judgments. Conflating or confusing the two is a dire mistake. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] FireWatir bug/anomaly
This snippet show the issue on FF3/Mac. select_list on craigslist
seems to be invisible. FWIW, Selenium IDE can address the select_list
with no problem
require 'rubygems'
require 'firewatir'
@browser = Watir::Browser.new
@browser.goto("http://newyork.craigslist.org/jjj/";)
#CAN'T ADDRESS BY INDEX
@browser.select_list(:index,1).set("software jobs")
#CAN'T ADDRESS BY ID
@browser.select_list(:id,"cAbb").set("software jobs")
#CAN'T SET THE select_list VIA 'value=foo'
@browser.select_list(:id,"cAbb").set("sof")
FireWatir generates no error for any of these calls.
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[wtr-general] at liberty
I was laid off yesterday from my job as a software tester on a distributed agile team. If you know of anyone looking for an agile tester/QA person (former ThoughtWorker), let me know. I live in rural Colorado so telecommuting is required. I'm a pretty good Ruby programmer but most of my experience is in Watir/FireWatir, Selenium, API test clients of various kinds, and test controller scripting, not application development. Let me know if I can send anyone a resume. Thanks, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: soa testing
On Mar 12, 8:31 am, Charley Baker wrote: > No, Watir is a library to Automate browsers for web testing. That being > said, Ruby has SOAP libraries(soap4r) that we're using quite extensively to > test SOAP based services. The benefit of using a real language as opposed to > VendorScript is that there are libraries for just about anything you'd want > to do - XML, SOAP, databases, MQ, etc. And net/http and json are awfully nice for REST/JSON testing. My company has an extensive and powerful public REST API, and I poke around in it a lot with net/http and json. No browsers in sight. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: QA Position Available w/ Watir
> LOL! > > Nice to see you around Chris, hope all's well at Socialtext HQ! Things are smokin' at ST HQ. We are coming up on 10,000 test steps; that is, 10,000 assertions of behavior at the UI level. Unfortunately, we're using Selenium :-). FWIW, we have a little more than 12,000 assertions at the unit/integration level. The purpose of all this automation, of course, is to allow testers to examine interesting parts of the application. Closely. At their leisure. With their eyeballs. If it's any consolation though, the CI-like testrunner script that checks out code, creates a test env, runs the tests, and reports the results: is all Ruby. As are the exploratory API tools. I like me some Ruby. Congratulations to all the Watirfolk on all the great integrations in recent times. I applaud you all. -C --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: QA Position Available w/ Watir
I've tried getting people in working remote before > that I know and respect... no dice. Dude, you *still* haven't gotten those HR people fired? :-) -C --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Selenium 2.0 plans to drive native browsers
On Jan 3, 11:55 am, "aidy lewis" wrote: > Chris wrote > > > but I would not be surprised in the coming years to see Selenium and Watir > > growing closer together. > > I am not so sure these worlds will collide, however we can learn and > borrow off each other. > Selenium and WebDriver are primarily Java apps, the family of Watir > tools are explicitly Ruby. Yes, but last I heard the implementations of Ruby in the JVM (JRuby, etc) are getting pretty robust. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Selenium 2.0 plans to drive native browsers
On Jan 2, 5:20 pm, Alister Scott wrote: > I noticed that Selenium 2.0 plans to include integration of WebDriver > to focus on driving native browsers. > http://blog.browsermob.com/2009/01/plans-for-selenium-in-2009/http://code.google.com/p/webdriver/1 > Sounds a bit like Watir to me. Delurking for a minute... Since the very beginning of both projects, there has been talk from both about integrating the two in a single framework. While that work seems to be nowhere in sight right now, such a project has always been possible. Instead it seems like Watir people have chosen to concentrate on FireWatir and SafariWatir integration first. I think this makes a lot of sense, but I would not be surprised in the coming years to see Selenium and Watir growing closer together. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Running in pure Linux shell mode (headless)
> So question is: Is it possible to run FireWatir in something like that or > you need a graphics environment such as xWindows where FireFox can be > launched? Once you get this set up and working it's a really nice way to go. We use the 'blackbox' window manager and run FF under x11vnc on display 0. Then you can reverse tunnel to your host like ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'x11vnc -localhost -shared -display :0' Connect your favorite VNC client to localhost:5900 to watch the browser running in the window manager. This is particularly nice if you are running acceptance tests in a CI system, or in my case, in an infinite loop 24/7. Linux machines rarely need restarting, so my Linux host runs for days and days and days without need for maintenance. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Google test automation conference
On Oct 22, 2:25 pm, Bret Pettichord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have to apply to attend and there are not that many seats available. > So most people that want to go, don't tell others to improve their odds > of getting chosen. Dude, that's unfair. :-) I'll be happy to post the announcement next year. Y'all remind me... That said, it's unlikely to be in North America again any time soon. The first one was in London, the second one was in NYC. This one was supposed to be in Hyderabad but the logistics didn't work out, so it's in Seattle instead. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Google test automation conference
On Oct 21, 4:57 pm, "Paul Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is any one going to this? I will be there. I'll be there. Nice, I don't think I've seen you since, umm, the Denver airport in umm, 2006 or so? -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: firefox2.0 and jssh
On Oct 13, 7:39 am, "Angrez Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not sure if that works on Mac. As I don't have anything to test it > here. Need to find out a way to do that in Mac. I've had this working on Mac in the past. But finding (or compiling yourself) the correct jssh was troublesome. Google is your friend. Somewhere in the archives of this list is a link to the correct jssh binary that will work on Mac. Hopefully it's still around... ... or maybe you FireWatir people could provide a canonical jssh binary for each platform, including Mac? That would have been helpful when I was fooling with this, a little more than a year ago. -Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
