[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Manish Sapariya]

http://www.rubylearning.org/class/

I found this very helpful.
The git class very informative.
The hands on exercise is the most
effective.

There is already one ruby class going on,
but new registrations are closed and new
batch is scheduled in May.

Regards,
Manish


Bret Pettichord wrote:
> People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective. 
> What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs 
> or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Chuck van der Linden]

one more  vote here for Everyday Scripting..

Why's guide (mentioned by someone else early in the thread) was also
interesting, and kind of helped me with some basic ruby mindset things
in a way.

On Apr 3, 1:05 pm, Jim Knowlton  wrote:
> I love Brian Marick's book because it really cuts through all the
> "programmery" stuff that's interesting to development types but makes
> testers eyes glaze over, and talks about the core, basic stuff Watir
> developers need to know.  I am a QA Engineer who had some Python
> experience when I picked up Brian's book, and it was just the ticket.
> I also have the Pickaxe book, but use it mostly as a reference, when I
> am not sure how to do something.
>
> Jim
>
> On Apr 3, 8:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
>
>
> > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Jim Knowlton]

I love Brian Marick's book because it really cuts through all the
"programmery" stuff that's interesting to development types but makes
testers eyes glaze over, and talks about the core, basic stuff Watir
developers need to know.  I am a QA Engineer who had some Python
experience when I picked up Brian's book, and it was just the ticket.
I also have the Pickaxe book, but use it mostly as a reference, when I
am not sure how to do something.

Jim

On Apr 3, 8:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[AR]

I'm also a big fan of Marick's Everyday Scripting with Ruby:

http://www.pragprog.com/titles/bmsft/everyday-scripting-with-ruby

On Apr 3, 2:54 pm, Lisa Crispin  wrote:
> I mentioned it!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Rogers  wrote:
> > im surprised no one has mentioned Brian Maricks book,
> > Everyday Scripting with 
> > Ruby
> > Paul
>
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Wesley Chen  wrote:
>
> >> The book: Pragmatic Bookshelf, Programming Ruby 2nd is really good for
> >> Ruby studying.
>
> >> Thanks.
> >> Wesley Chen.
>
> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, George  wrote:
>
> >>> Thanks for the links, Tiffany!
>
> >>> On Apr 3, 9:02 am, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:
> >>> > Hey Bret!
>
> >>> > For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
> >>> > Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
> >>> > haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
> >>> > several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>
> >>> >http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>
> >>> > Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
> >>> > Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
> >>> > group:
>
> >>> >http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>
> >>> > -Tiffany
>
> >>> > On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
> >>> > > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> >>> > > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites,
> >>> blogs
> >>> > > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > Bret Pettichord
> >>> > > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> >>> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> >>> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> >>> > > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>
> >>> > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
> >>> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
>
> --
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Lisa Crispin]

I mentioned it!

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Rogers  wrote:

> im surprised no one has mentioned Brian Maricks book,
> Everyday Scripting with 
> Ruby
> Paul
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Wesley Chen  wrote:
>
>> The book: Pragmatic Bookshelf, Programming Ruby 2nd is really good for
>> Ruby studying.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Wesley Chen.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, George  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the links, Tiffany!
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 9:02 am, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:
>>> > Hey Bret!
>>> >
>>> > For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
>>> > Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
>>> > haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
>>> > several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>>> >
>>> > http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>>> >
>>> > Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
>>> > Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
>>> > group:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>>> >
>>> > -Tiffany
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
>>> > > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites,
>>> blogs
>>> > > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>>> >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Bret Pettichord
>>> > > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
>>> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
>>> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog 
>>> > > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>>> >
>>> > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
>>> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>


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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Al Snow]

Bret,
 I'm starting a Rails Passion course this week and the first 
weeks covers Ruby. http://www.javapassion.com/rubyonrails/

Also www.Rubylearning.org has a Introduction Ruby course.

FYI,
Al Snow
Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alsnow
Google Talk: jasnow1
Twitter: jasnow


Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:48:50 -0600
Subject: [wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills
From: lisa.cris...@gmail.com
To: watir-general@googlegroups.com

I also went thru Chris Pine's book, although it didn't teach me much about OO 
programming. I have a lot of experience programming - it's the lack of OO skill 
that trips me up.

Brian Marick's Everyday Scripting with Ruby was a big help, and of course the 
Pickaxe book. I bought Scripted GUI Testing with Ruby but haven't had time to 
read it.


I was lucky to have a co-worker who was an experienced Perl scripter and could 
pick up on good ways to design our framework in an OO approach. I actually did 
look around for a course early on, but could not find one.


There was enough online stuff for Watir to figure out how to do a very basic 
Watir test, but not anything close to what I needed to know how to build a 
framework that was powerful enough but easy to maintain. I think it must be 
very different now with so many frameworks available.

-- Lisa

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:



Hey Bret!



For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris

Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you

haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for

several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.



http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/



Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the

Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this

group:



http://www.rubycentral.com/book/



-Tiffany



On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:

> People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.

> What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs

> or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?

>

> --

> Bret Pettichord

> CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com

> Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com

> Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog

> Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord

>

> Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17www.watircraft.com/training





-- 
Lisa Crispin
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Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Lisa Crispin]

I also went thru Chris Pine's book, although it didn't teach me much about
OO programming. I have a lot of experience programming - it's the lack of OO
skill that trips me up.

Brian Marick's Everyday Scripting with Ruby was a big help, and of course
the Pickaxe book. I bought Scripted GUI Testing with Ruby but haven't had
time to read it.

I was lucky to have a co-worker who was an experienced Perl scripter and
could pick up on good ways to design our framework in an OO approach. I
actually did look around for a course early on, but could not find one.

There was enough online stuff for Watir to figure out how to do a very basic
Watir test, but not anything close to what I needed to know how to build a
framework that was powerful enough but easy to maintain. I think it must be
very different now with so many frameworks available.
-- Lisa

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:

>
> Hey Bret!
>
> For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
> Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
> haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
> several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>
> http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>
> Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
> Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
> group:
>
> http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>
> -Tiffany
>
> On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog 
> > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
> >
> > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
> >
>


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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Leigh]

http://tryruby.hobix.com/
online tutorial, you just try ruby right in the browser, a great wait for
someone to get started.

My bookshelf includes, learn to program (I agree great for getting started),
Everyday Scripting, the Pickaxe,  and Ruby in a Nutshell.  (learn to program
and Ruby in a Nutshell were the one's I turned the most when I first
started).

Google searching for things I wanted to know how to do, did and will always
be a favorite.

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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Charley Baker]

Brian's book is really good. Some other resources:

# no list is complete without
why's Poignant guide to Ruby: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/

# his interactive ruby in your browser lessons:
http://tryruby.hobix.com/

The Ruby Way by Hal Fulton
The Ruby Programming Language (Oreilly) by David Flanagan and Matz himself

Collection of Ruby related blogs/feed: http://www.rubycorner.com
Gateway to Ruby and Rails mailing lists: http://www.ruby-forum.com/

I also second the idea of reading code and unit tests, there are so many
open source ruby projects available on github.


Charley Baker
blog: http://blog.charleybaker.org/
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct


On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Rogers  wrote:

> im surprised no one has mentioned Brian Maricks book,
> Everyday Scripting with 
> Ruby
> Paul
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Wesley Chen  wrote:
>
>> The book: Pragmatic Bookshelf, Programming Ruby 2nd is really good for
>> Ruby studying.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Wesley Chen.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, George  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the links, Tiffany!
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 9:02 am, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:
>>> > Hey Bret!
>>> >
>>> > For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
>>> > Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
>>> > haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
>>> > several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>>> >
>>> > http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>>> >
>>> > Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
>>> > Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
>>> > group:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>>> >
>>> > -Tiffany
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
>>> > > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites,
>>> blogs
>>> > > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>>> >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Bret Pettichord
>>> > > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
>>> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
>>> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog 
>>> > > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>>> >
>>> > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
>>> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Paul Rogers]

im surprised no one has mentioned Brian Maricks book,
Everyday Scripting with
Ruby
Paul

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Wesley Chen  wrote:

> The book: Pragmatic Bookshelf, Programming Ruby 2nd is really good for Ruby
> studying.
>
> Thanks.
> Wesley Chen.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, George  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the links, Tiffany!
>>
>> On Apr 3, 9:02 am, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:
>> > Hey Bret!
>> >
>> > For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
>> > Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
>> > haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
>> > several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>> >
>> > http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>> >
>> > Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
>> > Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
>> > group:
>> >
>> > http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>> >
>> > -Tiffany
>> >
>> > On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>> >
>> > > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
>> > > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites,
>> blogs
>> > > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>> >
>> > > --
>> > > Bret Pettichord
>> > > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
>> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
>> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog 
>> > > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>> >
>> > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
>> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Wesley Chen]

The book: Pragmatic Bookshelf, Programming Ruby 2nd is really good for Ruby
studying.

Thanks.
Wesley Chen.


On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, George  wrote:

>
> Thanks for the links, Tiffany!
>
> On Apr 3, 9:02 am, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:
> > Hey Bret!
> >
> > For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
> > Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
> > haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
> > several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
> >
> > http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
> >
> > Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
> > Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
> > group:
> >
> > http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
> >
> > -Tiffany
> >
> > On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> >
> > > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> > > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites,
> blogs
> > > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
> >
> > > --
> > > Bret Pettichord
> > > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog 
> > > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
> >
> > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
> >
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[George]

Thanks for the links, Tiffany!

On Apr 3, 9:02 am, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:
> Hey Bret!
>
> For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
> Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
> haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
> several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>
> http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>
> Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
> Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
> group:
>
> http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>
> -Tiffany
>
> On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
> > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>
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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Bhavna Kumar]

We have our testers work through the following before they get to Watir
tutorials:

http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/quickstart/



http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/?Chapter=00

I agree with Tiffany; Chris Pine's tutorial is really good for
non-programmers who get into testing and scripting.
Documentation on asserts is also particularly useful in our case:

http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/libdoc/test/unit/rdoc/classes/Test/Unit/Assertions.html

And after that Google is everyone's friend :-)

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tiffany Fodor  wrote:

>
> Hey Bret!
>
> For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
> Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
> haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
> several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.
>
> http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
>
> Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
> Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
> group:
>
> http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
>
> -Tiffany
>
> On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> > People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> > What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> > or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
> >
> > --
> > Bret Pettichord
> > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog 
> > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
> >
> > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April
> 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Jeff Fry]

I learned as much as I know from (a) the pickaxe book, (b) reading
watir unit tests & source code, and (c) asking questions here and a
bit on ruby-talk.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
> People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com
> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>
> Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17
> www.watircraft.com/training
>
>
> >
>



-- 
Jeff Fry

http://testingjeff.wordpress.com
http://associationforsoftwaretesting.org

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[wtr-general] Re: Ramping up your Ruby skills

[Tiffany Fodor]

Hey Bret!

For some this may be a little remedial, but I really liked Chris
Pine's 'Learn to Program' tutorial.  He starts out assuming you
haven't ever written any code at all.  I hadn't written any code for
several years and this got me up and running in a couple of days.

http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/

Of course, there's lots more to learn after that.  I think the
Pragmatic Programmers 'Pickaxe' book is the most popular with this
group:

http://www.rubycentral.com/book/

-Tiffany

On Apr 3, 9:45 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> People who are new to Watir often need to learn Ruby to be effective.
> What resources should we recommend for this? What books, websites, blogs
> or videos have you found to be helpful? Online training?
>
> --
> Bret Pettichord
> CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com
> Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord
>
> Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17www.watircraft.com/training
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