Re: [wdvltalk] font-size in Firefox
Hi cyberkate, I'd like to help you, but I don't have any experience with Mighty Max, but I hope someone here can help you out. Cheers, John > I have a very similar problem, but it has only affected IE. I had a hacking > attack while uploading last week, and the font was damaged (plus other > complaints about IE according to PC Mighty Max), the page still renders > properly in all my other browsers, but I still have been unable to fix it. > It pushes a FW table out of whack on my computer but not on other computers > on IE. I don't trust PC Mighty Max which says I have around 600 errors > while all other utilities say I don't have any unusual errors. So perhaps > this is a new virus? Does anyone recommend PC Mighty Max before I let it > run free reign through what was a problem free environment till the hacker > blew my morale, it seem you have no options to fix some rather than all > problems. > > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] font-size in Firefox
I have a very similar problem, but it has only affected IE. I had a hacking attack while uploading last week, and the font was damaged (plus other complaints about IE according to PC Mighty Max), the page still renders properly in all my other browsers, but I still have been unable to fix it. It pushes a FW table out of whack on my computer but not on other computers on IE. I don't trust PC Mighty Max which says I have around 600 errors while all other utilities say I don't have any unusual errors. So perhaps this is a new virus? Does anyone recommend PC Mighty Max before I let it run free reign through what was a problem free environment till the hacker blew my morale, it seem you have no options to fix some rather than all problems. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] font-size in Firefox
Thank you Drew, I was actually looking more for the font size to be made smaller in every firefox browser that sees the page. I thought that I might be missing something, but apparently Mozilla browsers have a minimum font size, and like you said you can change that. Someone recently told me that the only way to get what I am shooting for is to control all browsers, if they are accessed through an application server...of course this is just a little too much trouble for what I was after. So, moving on... John > On 6/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> There is a little something I am having a problem with in Firefox, if you can >> imagine that! I was working on something that all needed to fit on one page >> for >> printing, and it required the font-size to be pretty small (but not >> unreadable >> mind you). I tried setting the font-size value to .5em, which is smaller in >> IE6 >> than in Firefox (1.5.0.4). So, I wanted it just a tad bit smaller, and set >> the >> value at .4. Well nothing changed in Firefox. >> >> > The font setting is under Tools | Options then Fonts & Colors -- > Advanced. There is a minimum font size selection box and a check box > for allowing pages to choose their own size instead of your > selections. Perhaps you need to play with these a little to get the > size you want. > > drew > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] font-size in Firefox
On 6/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone, There is a little something I am having a problem with in Firefox, if you can imagine that! I was working on something that all needed to fit on one page for printing, and it required the font-size to be pretty small (but not unreadable mind you). I tried setting the font-size value to .5em, which is smaller in IE6 than in Firefox (1.5.0.4). So, I wanted it just a tad bit smaller, and set the value at .4. Well nothing changed in Firefox. The font setting is under Tools | Options then Fonts & Colors -- Advanced. There is a minimum font size selection box and a check box for allowing pages to choose their own size instead of your selections. Perhaps you need to play with these a little to get the size you want. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
No, I didn't think you did but somewhere along the line a comment I made in my original post (the one you think you missed) I said that while the way pre is rendered is your pet peeve, mine is code with monospaced type that is smaller than whatever is specified as the page default. I went on to add that I didn't mind the moonscape font so much as the change in font size. That was picked up on and moonscape added to the pre tag css which had nothing to do with me. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris Sorry, I wasn't meaning to be critical. Your suggestion was, I thought, to deal with FF's peculiarity of interpretation by using monospace. What I was saying is that I like monospace (in this context) even less than I like the current problem. The .poem class is certainly the way I will go. Hopefully it will answer the firefox problem. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
Cheryl, Sorry, I wasn't meaning to be critical. Your suggestion was, I thought, to deal with FF's peculiarity of interpretation by using monospace. What I was saying is that I like monospace (in this context) even less than I like the current problem. The .poem class is certainly the way I will go. Hopefully it will answer the firefox problem. Joseph > > So simply add the font and size of your choice to the .poem class. > > > Cheryl D. Wise > Certified Professional Web Developer > Microsoft FrontPage MVP > http://wiserways.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Harris > > I missed Cheryl's mail on that. It answers the interpretation for width in > browser of course; but I could not expect poetry to be read in monospace. > It loses flow; rarely is a poem meant to be staccato or jagged, when it > might work. > > Often it is hard enough to pick up the metre without the discomfort of equal > spacing in a proportionally-spaced world. ;-) > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
So simply add the font and size of your choice to the .poem class. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris I missed Cheryl's mail on that. It answers the interpretation for width in browser of course; but I could not expect poetry to be read in monospace. It loses flow; rarely is a poem meant to be staccato or jagged, when it might work. Often it is hard enough to pick up the metre without the discomfort of equal spacing in a proportionally-spaced world. ;-) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
I missed Cheryl's mail on that. It answers the interpretation for width in
browser of course; but I could not expect poetry to be read in monospace.
It loses flow; rarely is a poem meant to be staccato or jagged, when it
might work.
Often it is hard enough to pick up the metre without the discomfort of equal
spacing in a proportionally-spaced world. ;-)
Joseph
> Sorry for derailing your thread earlier Joe.
>
> Have you tried styling it as Cheryl suggested?
>
> pre{
> font: normal .9em "Courier New", Courier, monospace;
> }
>
> place that rule in your spwnewheads.CSS file and you should be golden.
>
> hth,
> Stephen
>
> Joseph Harris wrote:
> > Patrick,
> >
> > I have just tried putting the charset in but it does not appear
to
> > make a difference, same thing with doctype transitional 4.0.
> >
> > Having a closer look at the results in firefox I was just beginnning to
> > accept the question of block space being the decider -- but then I saw
the
> > treatment of My Suspension Needs Attention; these are very short lines
and
> > there should be no problem.
> >
> > Table widths are all in percentages, so that should surely not make FF
> > squeeze content!!??!!My biggest problem to understanding this is
that
> > the longer lines are in larger type even though all are tagged at "3".
And
> > all s seem to be inside s.
> >
> > All the lines are written to a max 65 spaces for email usage, so there
> > should be no difference in interpretation. The longest line (the intro
to
> > My Suspension) is in the largest type. The intro to Santa Cuts Costs
(also
> > wide) is in a mid size.
> >
> > It is becoming less understandable...
> >
> > Joseph
>
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Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
Sorry for derailing your thread earlier Joe.
Have you tried styling it as Cheryl suggested?
pre{
font: normal .9em "Courier New", Courier, monospace;
}
place that rule in your spwnewheads.CSS file and you should be golden.
hth,
Stephen
Joseph Harris wrote:
Patrick,
I have just tried putting the charset in but it does not appear to
make a difference, same thing with doctype transitional 4.0.
Having a closer look at the results in firefox I was just beginnning to
accept the question of block space being the decider -- but then I saw the
treatment of My Suspension Needs Attention; these are very short lines and
there should be no problem.
Table widths are all in percentages, so that should surely not make FF
squeeze content!!??!!My biggest problem to understanding this is that
the longer lines are in larger type even though all are tagged at "3". And
all s seem to be inside s.
All the lines are written to a max 65 spaces for email usage, so there
should be no difference in interpretation. The longest line (the intro to
My Suspension) is in the largest type. The intro to Santa Cuts Costs (also
wide) is in a mid size.
It is becoming less understandable...
Joseph
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Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
Patrick, I have just tried putting the charset in but it does not appear to make a difference, same thing with doctype transitional 4.0. Having a closer look at the results in firefox I was just beginnning to accept the question of block space being the decider -- but then I saw the treatment of My Suspension Needs Attention; these are very short lines and there should be no problem. Table widths are all in percentages, so that should surely not make FF squeeze content!!??!!My biggest problem to understanding this is that the longer lines are in larger type even though all are tagged at "3". And all s seem to be inside s. All the lines are written to a max 65 spaces for email usage, so there should be no difference in interpretation. The longest line (the intro to My Suspension) is in the largest type. The intro to Santa Cuts Costs (also wide) is in a mid size. It is becoming less understandable... Joseph > Hello Joseph, > On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 9:00:20 PM, you wrote: > > JH> Can anyone tell me why firefox is (apparently) randomly showing JH> size="3"> very small? > JH> http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/current-isue.shtml > > It shows that way in both FF and NS7.1 > > A Meta tag charset may solve the problem. (i.e. > ) > > You may also want to do away with your font tags and use straight CSS for sizing. > > HTH > > Patrick > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
Drew,
Speaking strictly semantically, I would think that since the order of
the lines is implicit to the text's meaning, that an ordered list would
be most appropriate... regardless of how non-visual or visual user
agents may interpret it.
With visual user agents, as in my example, you simply style out the
numbers. And, if I'm not mistaken (and I'm wandering out of my realm
here, so correct me if wrong), you could use Aural CSS to augment how
and whether something is pronounced.
> Numbers seem required for ol. That just doesn't fit poetics very well.
to whit, Bullets seem required for ul. Yet, it's commonly agreed that
they are the most semantic way to structure lists of links... so people
employ CSS to change the presentation of that structure.
Further to that, I don't think it a stretch to say that poems are (at
least in the example I gave) at their base, lists of lines, which
inter-relate to each other by their order. no?
- Stephen
Trusz, Andrew wrote:
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From: Cheryl D Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:50 PM
To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
I should have noted that there is a perfectly valid CSS method of replacing
the pre tags in doctypes that deprecate the pre tag. It is:
.poem {
white-space: pre;
}
Cheryl D. Wise
==
Stephen,
She's got the answer. Thank you Cheryl. Valid and structurally
(semantically) correct because:
"Non-visual user agents are not required to respect extra white space in the
content of a PRE element."
Your nested idea has problems because the spec say:
"Ordered and unordered lists are rendered in an identical manner except that
visual user agents number ordered list items. User agents may present those
numbers in a variety of ways. Unordered list items are not numbered.
Both types of lists are made up of sequences of list items defined by the LI
element (whose end tag may be omitted)."
( http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#edef-OL
Numbers seem required for ol. That just doesn't fit poetics very well.
Thing about semantics is that it shouldn't be mysterious. The idea is to
have an agreed set of meanings that both authors and machines can use when
employing elements (tags, mostly). When the specs are clear, it's easy
enough. When they get fuzzy, as they seem to be in more than a few places,
it gets dicey.
drew
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-Original Message-
From: Cheryl D Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:50 PM
To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
I should have noted that there is a perfectly valid CSS method of replacing
the pre tags in doctypes that deprecate the pre tag. It is:
.poem {
white-space: pre;
}
Cheryl D. Wise
==
Stephen,
She's got the answer. Thank you Cheryl. Valid and structurally
(semantically) correct because:
"Non-visual user agents are not required to respect extra white space in the
content of a PRE element."
Your nested idea has problems because the spec say:
"Ordered and unordered lists are rendered in an identical manner except that
visual user agents number ordered list items. User agents may present those
numbers in a variety of ways. Unordered list items are not numbered.
Both types of lists are made up of sequences of list items defined by the LI
element (whose end tag may be omitted)."
( http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#edef-OL
Numbers seem required for ol. That just doesn't fit poetics very well.
Thing about semantics is that it shouldn't be mysterious. The idea is to
have an agreed set of meanings that both authors and machines can use when
employing elements (tags, mostly). When the specs are clear, it's easy
enough. When they get fuzzy, as they seem to be in more than a few places,
it gets dicey.
drew
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RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
I should have noted that there is a perfectly valid CSS method of replacing
the pre tags in doctypes that deprecate the pre tag. It is:
.poem {
white-space: pre;
}
Cheryl D. Wise
Certified Professional Web Developer
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
http://wiserways.com
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Joseph, FWIW, I intensely dislike the way many browsers display in a smaller moonscape font. I don't mind the smaller size font. As a result on any site I may use the code tag I'll specify the font size in my stylesheet. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris I am sure that Cheryl had a css2 answer to this, but I can't find it immediately. The other answer - a graphic - is a no go for dial-up, and also has many problems regarding readablity. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Trusz, Andrew wrote: Thanks, obscurantist minutiae is my specialty. I've seen discussion which use all the methods you cited, Stephen. These says, the definition list seems to be the favorite dumping ground for everything. Although how you can use a definition to do a poem is conceptually beyond me. Yeah, the thought crossed my mind, but there's nothing definey about a poem. DL's should be used when you've one term about which you have one or multiple things to discuss in more depth. So, no a poem doesn't seem suited to a DL to me. Since there is no element which fits the free form structure of poetry which can be visual as well as linguistic, the answer seems to be mark it up as best you can. Seems to me including text indicating that a poem is about to be presented is about the best mark up you can include. Then it's just span and br and paddings, I guess. Agents will have to properly speak colons, and semicolons, and allow the fractional pause as the eyes shift from the end of one line to the beginning of the next for meter, etc. bugger. hadn't thought about accessiblity or screen readers. wow what a can o worms there. Hmmm. That boggles. okay, I'm going to pretend for the purposes of this exercise, that this is just for visual consumption... I know. very insensitive. que sara sara. I think I'm currently leaning more toward a mixture of the techniques. I don't think that there is any Holy Grail that will do everything we need it to. For poetry where visual presentation is very important (again, ala E.E. Cummings), either or a very liberal usage of CSS and seem to be appropriate, depending on the necessity of flexibility. For limmericks, a styled, ordered list would seem to get it very well. For longer stanza based poems, I would say that a series of ordered lists (*gasp*) might be the answer... which I suppose begs the question of whether you're violating some base semantics by having a stanza be it's own unordered list and not part of a larger list that numbers the lines all the way down... WAIT! *lightbulb* Nested ordered lists!!! Yeah, Yeah! Okay, I've set up a test (using one of Joe's poems, hope it's okay, if not, I'll remove it immediately) at: http://mechavox.com/sandbox/poem_markup.html It validates XHTML 1.0 Strict and gives what I'd say was the desired layout. But, is it semantic??? I tend to think so, but then I could argue a cat into a dog, so who knows. SO... that's one way to skin the cat (oh yeah, pun *intended*), if it so fits... But again, I'd say, as with most everything in web development, There is no single method that works in every situation... but maybe we've added some more to our tool box :) - Stephen The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
As long as you use a doctype that supports the tag then it will continue to work. So using HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 Transitional and not something such as XHTML 1.1 Strict should keep the tag working quite nicely. Remember if you don't like the default styling you can always use CSS to change it. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Trusz, Andrew Oh, is there nothing simple? Thanks drew, for the research. This is a list eZine that is also put on a web page. I have made a nice easy cut and paste operation of it. Now that FF is getting big I will have to follow through, I suppose. Just haven't been getting down to anything for a while, and the backlog is daunting. So if the tag is for the chop I'll have to find ways... (yes, I am sort of into css2, but I have to keep reminding myself) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Nice thinking and development of the problem Stephen. But from a poet's eye view it is all downhill! With , having already written the darn poem and formatted it in word processing (text or special) without breaking into a sweat, there is nothing easier than cutting and pasting. To have to add tags to every line is a bore to be polite about it. And, as you ask, what about one of those poems which live by their layout; ie lines and words all over the place? 'Bring back the ,' that's what I say. I am just preparing another book, which I reckon will be about 80 pages; I am going to make it pdf only, so I bypass this problem anyway. But if I wanted to make an html version - which would be sensible - I would presumably have to make a version for every browser!! ;-(( I am sure that Cheryl had a css2 answer to this, but I can't find it immediately. The other answer - a graphic - is a no go for dial-up, and also has many problems regarding readablity. Most poet groups use mail, but there are countless poetry sites, not to mention a plethora of song sites and that hybrid the monologue. I couldn't quite follow the point about FF thinking in space terms, because the poem lines are short and some of the long lines of prose articles are OK. The real answer is for a bright FF developer to take pity on us poor poets in our starving garrets (and a starving garret is not a pretty sight). There are, I think, many other things for which the is very useful. I'll study what you have come up with and see if I can find a good answer, or the makings of one.If someone else does before I do my brain cell will be very grateful. Many thanks for the thoughts, time and suggestions. Joseph > Excellent catch on the pre tag, Drew! I wouldn't have thought to look > for that and I didn't do any really meaningful hunting around... hitting > ctrl + 0 reset the font-size to readable for me, so I stopped there. > > So... I think this whole thing begs another question. What is the > proper way to mark up a poem? > > Googling around for a second comes up with a few methods: > > a wrapper div and a div for each line ala: > > http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/poem_markup_and_styling.htm > > But this, to me, seems like divitis and lacking in inherent semantic value. > > There's also a few methods named here: > > http://www.geekicon.net/geek/index.shtml/article/597 > > namely tags for stanzas, with tags to denote a new line, again > with the styled divs, or XML markup styled with CSS. The tags > make me cringe, then there's the divitis and finally the poor support in > IE for styling raw XML... > > Now... here's an interesting method: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.3.4 > > straight from the w3c, the given example of usage of the tag is as > a poem. hmmm. but, I'm still not happy with this solution. > > So, thinking all semantic-like, I says to myself: "structurally, what > we've got here is a list. An ordered list, at that." "But what about > stanzas? long lines? odd visual formatting ala E.E. Cummings??" says I. > "CSS?" I reply. "Lots and lots of CSS?" True enough, an ordered list > works dandily when dealing with a simple structure like this: > > > There once was a barbarian from Halas > Who appeared at first a nice lass. > But after a while, > She said with a smile, > "Hey with F9 I can see my own ass!" > > > But what happens when it gets more complicated than that? Is lots of > CSS the way to go? Is there a better structure for it? Do you dumb it > down and go with and ? > > I'm interested to hear all thoughts. > > - Stephen > > Trusz, Andrew wrote: > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:01 PM > > To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > > Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat! > > > > Yes Stephen, > > > > CTRL plus + increases the size of all faces, but doesn't explain why FF > > interprets size '3' in different ways.These are in the HTML, so it isn't > > a css parent thing. IE interprets all '3's the same. > > > > = > > > > It's a matter of how the browser decides to display the pre tag. The pre tag > > indicates the width of the block of text quoted but it is up to the > > agent/browser to select the font size. The specs say: > > > > Deprecated. This attribute provides a hint to visual user agents about the > > desired width of the formatted block.
RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
-Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:09 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat! Oh, is there nothing simple? Thanks drew, for the research. This is a list eZine that is also put on a web page. I have made a nice easy cut and paste operation of it. Now that FF is getting big I will have to follow through, I suppose. Just haven't been getting down to anything for a while, and the backlog is daunting. So if the tag is for the chop I'll have to find ways... (yes, I am sort of into css2, but I have to keep reminding myself) Joseph === Hey, if were simple, we'd have to get real jobs. I don't know of anything that has been deprecated that has actually had browser support discontinued. Does anybody? What happens is a different, hopefully better, way comes along to do things and tags and methodologies fall out of fashion. So do the best you can with the poems, pre if need be and maybe try changing font size before cut and paste. And keep an ear open for things that can be adapted to poems. In the long run something from the bookxml will probably solve the problem when it becomes possible to easily embed and render xml in browsers. We ain't near there yet. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:57 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat! Excellent catch on the pre tag, Drew! I wouldn't have thought to look for that and I didn't do any really meaningful hunting around... hitting ctrl + 0 reset the font-size to readable for me, so I stopped there. So... I think this whole thing begs another question. What is the proper way to mark up a poem? Thanks, obscurantist minutiae is my specialty. I've seen discussion which use all the methods you cited, Stephen. These says, the definition list seems to be the favorite dumping ground for everything. Although how you can use a definition to do a poem is conceptually beyond me. Since there is no element which fits the free form structure of poetry which can be visual as well as linguistic, the answer seems to be mark it up as best you can. Seems to me including text indicating that a poem is about to be presented is about the best mark up you can include. Then it's just span and br and paddings, I guess. Agents will have to properly speak colons, and semicolons, and allow the fractional pause as the eyes shift from the end of one line to the beginning of the next for meter, etc. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
Excellent catch on the pre tag, Drew! I wouldn't have thought to look for that and I didn't do any really meaningful hunting around... hitting ctrl + 0 reset the font-size to readable for me, so I stopped there. So... I think this whole thing begs another question. What is the proper way to mark up a poem? Googling around for a second comes up with a few methods: a wrapper div and a div for each line ala: http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/poem_markup_and_styling.htm But this, to me, seems like divitis and lacking in inherent semantic value. There's also a few methods named here: http://www.geekicon.net/geek/index.shtml/article/597 namely tags for stanzas, with tags to denote a new line, again with the styled divs, or XML markup styled with CSS. The tags make me cringe, then there's the divitis and finally the poor support in IE for styling raw XML... Now... here's an interesting method: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.3.4 straight from the w3c, the given example of usage of the tag is as a poem. hmmm. but, I'm still not happy with this solution. So, thinking all semantic-like, I says to myself: "structurally, what we've got here is a list. An ordered list, at that." "But what about stanzas? long lines? odd visual formatting ala E.E. Cummings??" says I. "CSS?" I reply. "Lots and lots of CSS?" True enough, an ordered list works dandily when dealing with a simple structure like this: There once was a barbarian from Halas Who appeared at first a nice lass. But after a while, She said with a smile, "Hey with F9 I can see my own ass!" But what happens when it gets more complicated than that? Is lots of CSS the way to go? Is there a better structure for it? Do you dumb it down and go with and ? I'm interested to hear all thoughts. - Stephen Trusz, Andrew wrote: -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:01 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat! Yes Stephen, CTRL plus + increases the size of all faces, but doesn't explain why FF interprets size '3' in different ways.These are in the HTML, so it isn't a css parent thing. IE interprets all '3's the same. = It's a matter of how the browser decides to display the pre tag. The pre tag indicates the width of the block of text quoted but it is up to the agent/browser to select the font size. The specs say: Deprecated. This attribute provides a hint to visual user agents about the desired width of the formatted block. The user agent can use this information to select an appropriate font size or to indent the content appropriately. The desired width is expressed in number of characters. This attribute is not widely supported currently The PRE element tells visual user agents that the enclosed text is "preformatted". When handling preformatted text, visual user agents: * May leave white space intact. * May render text with a fixed-pitch font. * May disable automatic word wrap. * Must not disable bidirectional processing. Non-visual user agents are not required to respect extra white space in the content of a PRE element. ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-PRE ) So it would appear something in the size of the pre blocks causes different font selection. You could try not sizing at all and see what happens. drew • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupit
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Oh, is there nothing simple? Thanks drew, for the research. This is a list eZine that is also put on a web page. I have made a nice easy cut and paste operation of it. Now that FF is getting big I will have to follow through, I suppose. Just haven't been getting down to anything for a while, and the backlog is daunting. So if the tag is for the chop I'll have to find ways... (yes, I am sort of into css2, but I have to keep reminding myself) Joseph > > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:01 PM > To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat! > > Yes Stephen, > > CTRL plus + increases the size of all faces, but doesn't explain why FF > interprets size '3' in different ways.These are in the HTML, so it isn't > a css parent thing. IE interprets all '3's the same. > > = > > It's a matter of how the browser decides to display the pre tag. The pre tag > indicates the width of the block of text quoted but it is up to the > agent/browser to select the font size. The specs say: > > Deprecated. This attribute provides a hint to visual user agents about the > desired width of the formatted block. The user agent can use this > information to select an appropriate font size or to indent the content > appropriately. The desired width is expressed in number of characters. This > attribute is not widely supported currently > > The PRE element tells visual user agents that the enclosed text is > "preformatted". When handling preformatted text, visual user agents: > > * May leave white space intact. > * May render text with a fixed-pitch font. > * May disable automatic word wrap. > * Must not disable bidirectional processing. > > Non-visual user agents are not required to respect extra white space in the > content of a PRE element. > > ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-PRE ) > > So it would appear something in the size of the pre blocks causes different > font selection. You could try not sizing at all and see what happens. > > drew > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
-Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:01 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat! Yes Stephen, CTRL plus + increases the size of all faces, but doesn't explain why FF interprets size '3' in different ways.These are in the HTML, so it isn't a css parent thing. IE interprets all '3's the same. = It's a matter of how the browser decides to display the pre tag. The pre tag indicates the width of the block of text quoted but it is up to the agent/browser to select the font size. The specs say: Deprecated. This attribute provides a hint to visual user agents about the desired width of the formatted block. The user agent can use this information to select an appropriate font size or to indent the content appropriately. The desired width is expressed in number of characters. This attribute is not widely supported currently The PRE element tells visual user agents that the enclosed text is "preformatted". When handling preformatted text, visual user agents: * May leave white space intact. * May render text with a fixed-pitch font. * May disable automatic word wrap. * Must not disable bidirectional processing. Non-visual user agents are not required to respect extra white space in the content of a PRE element. ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-PRE ) So it would appear something in the size of the pre blocks causes different font selection. You could try not sizing at all and see what happens. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Yes Stephen, CTRL plus + increases the size of all faces, but doesn't explain why FF interprets size '3' in different ways.These are in the HTML, so it isn't a css parent thing. IE interprets all '3's the same. It looks as though it is only on this page which is regularly changed, but only for content; the coding is always the same. I've not noticed it happen before. Joseph try pressing Ctrl+0 in FF and see if it goes back to normal. - Stephen On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:00:20 -, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me why firefox is (apparently) randomly showing size="3"> very small? > > http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/current-isue.shtml > > Joseph Harris > > â The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM â > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Firefox starts with a smaller font than IE but that wouldn't explain random changes in the same size definition. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris Can anyone tell me why firefox is (apparently) randomly showing very small? http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/current-isue.shtml The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hello Joseph, On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 9:00:20 PM, you wrote: JH> Can anyone tell me why firefox is (apparently) randomly showing size="3"> very small? JH> http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/current-isue.shtml It shows that way in both FF and NS7.1 A Meta tag charset may solve the problem. (i.e. ) You may also want to do away with your font tags and use straight CSS for sizing. HTH Patrick The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Font size in Firefox - drat!
try pressing Ctrl+0 in FF and see if it goes back to normal. - Stephen On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:00:20 -, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me why firefox is (apparently) randomly showing size="3"> very small? > > http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com/current-isue.shtml > > Joseph Harris > > â The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM â > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
