Re: [web2py] Major Speedup in trunk 10x
Very cool! It's always fun to see Massimo pull out a card like that and make the code itself better. Excited to give it a try on my systems. --- Best Regards, Jason Brower On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: At PyCon some people have suggested that they would like the ability to switch off some web2py functionality to make it faster. I never thought of this being an issue because I do not think web2py does much outside models/views and controllers. I run a lot of tests today using a barebone def index(): return 'hello world' controller (no view, no model) and I discovered, to my surprise that even in this simple case, web2py spends huge amount of time saving sessions even if not used (~40ms/request on my laptop). This is also a problem because if you have many passive visitors web2py creates a lot of empty session files that fills the sessions folder and slow down the file system even more. I made some changes so that sessions are no longer saved if not modified or empty. For my simple code, the running time went down to 4ms/request. That is 10x than before. That is only 5x the bare Rocket or Tornado speed (considering it is still checking for session, doing routing, parsing input and performing a lot of checks, and a lot of other stuff). I do not think it should break anything and you should feel it snappier immediately. Give it a try and let me know. Try run ab -n 1000 with both web2py 1.93.1 and trunk for your app. Let me know what you get. Enjoy! Massimo
[web2py] Squid caching, processor load balancing (via Cubicweb)
Just looking at CubicWeb via the link given on Reddit. Looks like an interesting project - amazing what's out there that I've never heard of! This blog post: http://www.cubicweb.org/blogentry/1484253 describes an interesting way of using multi core processors to load balance and solves session caching via squid. Might this be a useful approach to use for scaling web2py?
[web2py] Re: greetings from PyCon
now that's sad massimo. i was extremely anxious to see how you built the facebook clone and how people were impressed. On Mar 14, 9:21 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: The second part was not recorded because I forgot to press the button [record] after the break and because the people who paid to attend deserve some exclusivity. Anyway, the second part included similar content ashttp://vimeo.com/20760298 and thishttp://vimeo.com/20768689(although we did not build an online store but a facebook clone) On Mar 14, 8:58 am, contatogilson...@gmail.com contatogilson...@gmail.com wrote: And second part? _ *Gilson Filho* *Web Developerhttp://gilsondev.com*
[web2py] Proposals for New Tagline
The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
[web2py] Re: Dynamic generation model
Hi Massimo Di Pierro,
How do get requires, defaut, represent,... from field:
db.mytable.myfield for create string:
Field('myfield', requires=..., default=..., represent=...) ?
Thanks.
[web2py] Re: greetings from PyCon
I have the code example so I will post it. I just need to add voice. On Mar 15, 3:03 am, Mengu whalb...@gmail.com wrote: now that's sad massimo. i was extremely anxious to see how you built the facebook clone and how people were impressed. On Mar 14, 9:21 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: The second part was not recorded because I forgot to press the button [record] after the break and because the people who paid to attend deserve some exclusivity. Anyway, the second part included similar content ashttp://vimeo.com/20760298 and thishttp://vimeo.com/20768689(althoughwe did not build an online store but a facebook clone) On Mar 14, 8:58 am, contatogilson...@gmail.com contatogilson...@gmail.com wrote: And second part? _ *Gilson Filho* *Web Developerhttp://gilsondev.com*
[web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
I did some testing on my app, which still implements the welcome app's default/index function that shows Hello World. Here are my results: BEFORE TRUNK UPDATE - CONCURRENCY 1 === Time taken for tests: 108 seconds Requests per second: 9.25 Time per request: 108.138 ms AFTER TRUNK UPDATE - CONCURRENCY 1 == Time taken for tests: 108 seconds Requests per second: 9.21 Time per request: 108.543 AFTER TRUNK UPDATE - CONCURRENCY 10 === Time taken for tests: 98 seconds Requests per second: 10.20 Time per request: 98.050 The last test was run with -c 10. According to ab, there wasn't any improvement, which is strange. I ran the rocket server using the following line: python web2py.py -i 0.0.0.0 -a password -l '/dev/null' I have the server running on a Ubuntu Server 10.04.2 virtual machine.
Re: [web2py] Proposals for New Tagline
Hmm.. Twice as fast to code in than Django and four time easier. Ok ok, it sucks, but it's true! Let me think... how about: Productivity by design. Think about the page not the code! Releiving finger ache by a factor of 2. Bringing python and html together. Framework for productive web applicatons. Web application framework. Development to the table. Power to the python! There's a party over here! Truly agile. MVC to the max! The sensable MVC framework. Built with MVC in mind. Putting the fun back in to coding. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
Re: [web2py] Re: Cant make a simple database
I don't do that. I would rather have orders than t_order how about the_order :P BR, Jason On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:13 PM, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah I saw that. What are people's thoughts on that? It seems like clutter to me but can definitely mak things easier in places.
[web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
I just noticed that the sessions are still being saved, which may be why I
didn't see any performance improvement. I deleted all of the sessions inside
the sessions folder, stopped and restarted the server, then visited the
/default/index page that flashes 'You are successfully running web2py.' and
returns message=T('Hello World'). It seems that we2py is still creating
session files. I did not log in or anything, I just visited the page as a
guest.
[web2py] Re: Cant make a simple database
Since most orders contain line items, you might consider making an order_header table that stores information about the order, then a order_detail table that stores the information about each line item.
Re: [web2py] Re: Cron doesn't work for me...
Hi VP! How did you use the system cron? I'm wondering how can I specify the function that I want to execute... Regards, Tito On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Cron didn't work for me either, so I used the system cron. One question I have though is why root when web2py is run as www- data? -- Linux User #387870 . _/_õ|__| ..º[ .-.___.-._| . . . . .__( o)__( o).:___
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
instead of the framework that gets things done i suggest get your app done On Mar 15, 1:04 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
[web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
You must find the logic in your code that is changing the session
object. There must be something. Do you have a form in the page?
On Mar 15, 8:00 am, Ross Peoples ross.peop...@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed that the sessions are still being saved, which may be why I
didn't see any performance improvement. I deleted all of the sessions inside
the sessions folder, stopped and restarted the server, then visited the
/default/index page that flashes 'You are successfully running web2py.' and
returns message=T('Hello World'). It seems that we2py is still creating
session files. I did not log in or anything, I just visited the page as a
guest.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
what about generating such taglines and displaying them randomly? On Mar 15, 2:54 pm, Jason (spot) Brower encomp...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm.. Twice as fast to code in than Django and four time easier. Ok ok, it sucks, but it's true! Let me think... how about: Productivity by design. Think about the page not the code! Releiving finger ache by a factor of 2. Bringing python and html together. Framework for productive web applicatons. Web application framework. Development to the table. Power to the python! There's a party over here! Truly agile. MVC to the max! The sensable MVC framework. Built with MVC in mind. Putting the fun back in to coding. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I will think a new one. Some words or ideas perhaps to include: python, MVC, Full-stack, Framework, True MVC, RAD, Fast development, Less development more creation, Easy to learn. 2011/3/15 Mengu whalb...@gmail.com what about generating such taglines and displaying them randomly? On Mar 15, 2:54 pm, Jason (spot) Brower encomp...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm.. Twice as fast to code in than Django and four time easier. Ok ok, it sucks, but it's true! Let me think... how about: Productivity by design. Think about the page not the code! Releiving finger ache by a factor of 2. Bringing python and html together. Framework for productive web applicatons. Web application framework. Development to the table. Power to the python! There's a party over here! Truly agile. MVC to the max! The sensable MVC framework. Built with MVC in mind. Putting the fun back in to coding. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! ** -- Pablo Martín Mulone (mar...@tecnodoc.com.ar) http://www.tecnodoc.com.ar/ My blog: http://martin.tecnodoc.com.ar Expert4Solution Profile: http://www.experts4solutions.com/e4s/default/expert/6
[web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
No form, I have customized the layout.html file, but nothing that uses
session or forms.
Here is the controller:
def index():
example action using the internationalization operator T and flash
rendered by views/default/index.html or views/generic.html
response.flash = T('You are successfully running web2py.')
return dict(message=T('Hello World'))
And here is the view:
{{left_sidebar_enabled=right_sidebar_enabled=False}}
{{extend 'layout.html'}}
{{if 'message' in globals():}}
h1{{=message}}/h1
hr /
h2Readme/h2
ul
li{{=T('You are successfully running web2py')}}/li
li{{=T('This is a copy of the scaffolding application')}}/li
li{{=T('You can modify this application and adapt it to your
needs')}}/li
li{{=A(B(T(click here for the administrative interface)),
_href=URL('admin','default','index'))}}/li
li{{=A(T(click here for online examples),
_href=URL('examples','default','index'))}}/li
lia href=http://web2py.com;web2py.com/a/li
lia href=http://web2py.com/book;{{=T('documentation')}}/a/li
/ul
ol
li{{=T('You visited the url')}}
{{=A(request.env.path_info,_href=request.env.path_info)}}/li
li{{=T('Which called the function')}}
{{=A(request.function+'()',_href='#')}} {{=T('located in the file')}}
{{=A('web2py/applications/%(application)s/controllers/%(controller)s.py'%request,_href=URL('admin','default','peek',args=(request.application,'controllers',request.controller+'.py')))}}/li
li{{=T('The output of the file is a dictionary that was rendered by the
view')}}
{{=A('web2py/applications/%(application)s/views/%(controller)s/index.html'%request,_href=URL('admin','default','peek',args=(request.application,'views',request.controller,'index.html')))}}/li
/ol
{{else:}}
{{=BEAUTIFY(response._vars)}}
{{pass}}
{{block left_sidebar}}New Left Sidebar Content{{end}}
{{block right_sidebar}}New Right Sidebar Content{{end}}
I even tried using the stock welcome application with ab:
ab -n 1000 http://127.0.0.1:8000/welcome
And the average time per request was 73 ms.
[web2py] Re: greetings from PyCon
well, then i'll wait. :) On Mar 15, 2:25 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: I have the code example so I will post it. I just need to add voice. On Mar 15, 3:03 am, Mengu whalb...@gmail.com wrote: now that's sad massimo. i was extremely anxious to see how you built the facebook clone and how people were impressed. On Mar 14, 9:21 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: The second part was not recorded because I forgot to press the button [record] after the break and because the people who paid to attend deserve some exclusivity. Anyway, the second part included similar content ashttp://vimeo.com/20760298 and thishttp://vimeo.com/20768689(althoughwedid not build an online store but a facebook clone) On Mar 14, 8:58 am, contatogilson...@gmail.com contatogilson...@gmail.com wrote: And second part? _ *Gilson Filho* *Web Developerhttp://gilsondev.com*
Re: [web2py] Proposals for New Tagline
web2py - Code Less Create More! -- Bruno Rocha [ About me: http://zerp.ly/rochacbruno ] On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
[web2py] Re: Bug? Opening session files from multiple processes
We (again) looked deeper into what is really happening; and it is yet different. What we ran into is the following: We tried to set a session_id our self based on information in the url, which in this case resulted in calling the session connect code (where it went wrong) twice per request. In case a cookie was send; there is no problem at all. Session is handled by web2py like always (except for the fact that it's done twice). In case there is no cookie send; there is a problem. The first call to connect (web2py internal) has no session_id, so a new one is generated. The second call to connect (our plugin) has a session id so it's handled ok. In the end of the request, the session changes are written. But in our case (without cookie) the var session_new is True (and the session file is (re)opened with 'wb'). Opening with 'wb' does seem to change the file handle. The request that is handled by a differend process at the same time will now have an invallid session. This also explains the fact that reopening the session file seemed to solve the problem except for the fact that the real problem is somewhere else. I guess that using connect is something that is / should be allowed (it's in the book), this is also the way to, for example use sessions from an other application. and there the same issue could apply: in case someone uses connect to just use a session from a different application. The first connect from web2py might result in creating a new session. While the connect which is issued later by the user does result in an existing session.
Re: [web2py] Proposals for New Tagline
web2py - Code Less Create More! +1 _ *Gilson Filho* *Web Developer http://gilsondev.com*
[web2py] My new favorite web2py tweet
http://twitter.com/#!/dmaffioletti/status/47658179693252609
Re: [web2py] Proposals for New Tagline
On 15 March 2011 13:43, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: web2py - Code Less Create More! +1 (and then mention 'full-stack python web framework...')
[web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
The speedup mentioned applies to do-nothing apps. In particular to
apps that do not use database.
The welcome app does lots of stuff even if you do not use. To start
with it opens the sqlite database. Although queries are fast it takes
just 30ms to open the db and lock it in my tests.
Anyway, you have lots of view logic, can you try bytecode compile your
app and tell me what you get? bytecode compilation speeds up views.
On Mar 15, 8:21 am, Ross Peoples ross.peop...@gmail.com wrote:
No form, I have customized the layout.html file, but nothing that uses
session or forms.
Here is the controller:
def index():
example action using the internationalization operator T and flash
rendered by views/default/index.html or views/generic.html
response.flash = T('You are successfully running web2py.')
return dict(message=T('Hello World'))
And here is the view:
{{left_sidebar_enabled=right_sidebar_enabled=False}}
{{extend 'layout.html'}}
{{if 'message' in globals():}}
h1{{=message}}/h1
hr /
h2Readme/h2
ul
li{{=T('You are successfully running web2py')}}/li
li{{=T('This is a copy of the scaffolding application')}}/li
li{{=T('You can modify this application and adapt it to your
needs')}}/li
li{{=A(B(T(click here for the administrative interface)),
_href=URL('admin','default','index'))}}/li
li{{=A(T(click here for online examples),
_href=URL('examples','default','index'))}}/li
lia href=http://web2py.com;web2py.com/a/li
lia href=http://web2py.com/book;{{=T('documentation')}}/a/li
/ul
ol
li{{=T('You visited the url')}}
{{=A(request.env.path_info,_href=request.env.path_info)}}/li
li{{=T('Which called the function')}}
{{=A(request.function+'()',_href='#')}} {{=T('located in the file')}}
{{=A('web2py/applications/%(application)s/controllers/%(controller)s.py'%re
quest,_href=URL('admin','default','peek',args=(request.application,'control
lers',request.controller+'.py')))}}/li
li{{=T('The output of the file is a dictionary that was rendered by the
view')}}
{{=A('web2py/applications/%(application)s/views/%(controller)s/index.html'%
request,_href=URL('admin','default','peek',args=(request.application,'views
',request.controller,'index.html')))}}/li
/ol
{{else:}}
{{=BEAUTIFY(response._vars)}}
{{pass}}
{{block left_sidebar}}New Left Sidebar Content{{end}}
{{block right_sidebar}}New Right Sidebar Content{{end}}
I even tried using the stock welcome application with ab:
ab -n 1000http://127.0.0.1:8000/welcome
And the average time per request was 73 ms.
Re: [web2py] My new favorite web2py tweet
Thats a new tagline proposal! *web2py - thing beautiful of God! * LOL On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: http://twitter.com/#!/dmaffioletti/status/47658179693252609
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
How about? rapid web development that scales I think we should use rapid development vs agile since the latter sometimes has a negative connotation. Massimo On Mar 15, 9:36 am, Tom Atkins minkto...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 March 2011 13:43, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: web2py - Code Less Create More! +1 (and then mention 'full-stack python web framework...')
Re: [web2py] Re: Dynamic generation model
Dear Jose,
I think you posted a very interesting example... how have you resolved
the problem of the spatial support by web2py?
I mean the fields of the tables you are going to create dynamically are
the ones of a tipically spatial extension of a db... are they supported
by web2py DAL? Can you post the complete solution of how you have
implemented the dynamic tab inclusion in the model?
thank you very much
Cheers
Manuele
Il 14/03/2011 20:56, Jose ha scritto:
On 14 mar, 16:23, Massimo Di Pierromassimo.dipie...@gmail.com
wrote:
something like
db.define_table('name',*{Field(name) for name in ])
On Mar 14, 11:24 am, Josejjac...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Massimo.
Exactly, that's what I need.
Thank you
[web2py] Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost'
Hello to all, I have created a new project using the web wizard, for
some unknown reason the mysql connection is not working, this is the
uri im using:
mysql://cmts_monitor:cmtsTigoHome@localhost/cmts_monitor
and this is the error i got:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /home/www-data/web2py/gluon/restricted.py, line 188, in
restricted
exec ccode in environment
File /home/www-data/web2py/applications/CMTS_Monitor/models/db.py,
line 17, in module
db = DAL('mysql://cmts_monitor:cmtsTigoHome@localhost/
cmts_monitor') # if not, use SQLite or other DB
File /home/www-data/web2py/gluon/dal.py, line 3423, in __init__
raise RuntimeError, Failure to connect, tried 5 times:\n%s %
error
RuntimeError: Failure to connect, tried 5 times:
(2003, Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (111))
i have tested the username/password combination in the command line,
it works fine:
mmiranda@appsrv01:/var/log/check_cmts$ mysql --user cmts_monitor --
database cmts_monitor --host=localhost -p
Enter password:
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 20510
Server version: 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.5 (Ubuntu)
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input
statement.
mysql
What should i check?
regards
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
So far I like Productivity by design. Although it depends on what the goals of a tagline should be. If you want to make the framework discoverable through search engines, it might be more important to include words like python / mvc / web framework. The web2py name by itself has the strength of being relatively self-explanitory once you see it (it must have something to do with web programming in python) and unique when doing searches. Contrast with non-descriptive names with alternate meanings like Django/Pylons/Pyramid. But if you don't yet know the name web2py yet, a good tagline may help you discover it. Some possible approaches (not necessarily mutually exclusive): 1. Emphasize speed and ease of development (a la Productivity by design) 2. Laundry list of searchable keywords (something like A full-stack MVC web framework in Python 3. Emphasize that this is not just a toy web framework (perhaps an effect of the current Enterprise Web Framework tagline) 4. Something playful and catchy The Django tagline, for example, meets #1 and #4 pretty well, with just a bit of #2. At least, I thought it was pretty good when I started with Python web frameworks. Of course, nobody should base their choice of technology on a tagline, but first impressions certainly count for something. Kevin On Mar 15, 8:54 am, Jason (spot) Brower encomp...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm.. Twice as fast to code in than Django and four time easier. Ok ok, it sucks, but it's true! Let me think... how about: Productivity by design. Think about the page not the code! Releiving finger ache by a factor of 2. Bringing python and html together. Framework for productive web applicatons. Web application framework. Development to the table. Power to the python! There's a party over here! Truly agile. MVC to the max! The sensable MVC framework. Built with MVC in mind. Putting the fun back in to coding. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
[web2py] non redirection when authentication fails
Hi All, I have two kind of users in my application: admins and users. Each of them has different index function which I've decored, that's why I get these URLs when trying to login: * admins login through http://127.0.0.1:8000/myapp/default/user/login?_next=/myapp/admin/index * common users login through http://127.0.0.1:8000/myapp/default/user/login?_next=/myapp/default/index Everything work as I expected, but when authentication fails both groups are redirect to http://127.0.0.1:8000/myapp/default/user/login. Is it possible to have non-redirection when authentication fails? I've been playing with auth.settings.on_failed_authorization and auth.settings.on_failed_authentication but couldn't get it work. Any help will be appreciated. Joaquin.
[web2py] Re: SELECT won't remember selected option
Thanks Massimo, Nothing is actually wrong with Val, it's a float obtained from a row. After a fair bit of ploughing, I found that the issue is to do with the list of [OPTION...] for the SELECT control. If you generate a list of [OPTION,] from a function like I did, and reuse that list in multiple SELECT() calls, it gets modified as you go: def GenerateTimeIncrements(hours): return [OPTION( '%s' % v , _value=v) for v in range(hours)] def SomeController(): Values = GenerateTimeIncrements(10) table = TABLE() table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=1, *Values table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=2, *Values table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=3, *Values In this case, all three drop-downs will have their default value set to 3.0, as Values is being changed by the call to SELECT() where it specifies which option is selected. To get what you want, you need to do something like this: table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=1, *GenerateTimeIncrements(10) table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=2, *GenerateTimeIncrements(10) table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=3, *GenerateTimeIncrements(10) I know this is down to the fact in python, a list is an object and passed around as such (which is one of my pet peeves with the language) but I think that in this case the desired behaviour would be for SELECT to take a copy of the list, and avoid these issues. Curiously, the following still causes the error, and this is the worrying part as this is not how python should work: table = TABLE() Values = GenerateTimeIncrements(10) table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=1, *list(Values) table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=2, *list(Values) table.append(TR(TD(SELECT(value=3, *list(Values) Any reason why this should be this way? On Mar 14, 7:19 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing wrong in this code. Look into the value returned by Val = TSE[field] I think it may not contain what you think it does. I do not know why. On Mar 14, 10:33 am, Andrew Buchan andyha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my timesheet application I have a form which looks like a spreadsheet, where each cell has a drop-down list of time-measures in 15min increments up to 9 hours, the idea being for the user to set the time he works against each job on the timesheet. The function below generates these Hours Input Cells, and works fine except that it won't set the selected option to the value as obtained from the assignment to Val in the second line of code. HOWEVER, if I assign a new value to Val (see commented-out line), then it selects the drop-down option to that value for each cell... Note that I am obtaining a valid value for Val, I can display it in the form for testing purposes (see TD in last line), and if when I assign one of those values to Val as per the commented-out line, it correctly sets it as selected in the drop-down list. def HoursInputCell(TSE, field): Val = TSE[field] FieldName = GetHoursCellName(TSE, field) Values = DayTimeIncrements #Val= 2.5 return TD( Val , SELECT(value=Val , *Values, _name=FieldName, _width='20', _class='TimesheetHoursInput'), _class='TimesheetTableDayCell') Could this have anything to do with cache?
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Kevin Ivarsen wrote: So far I like Productivity by design. I do too. It speaks to web2py's strongest point. I'm not happy with 'enterprise' because to me it reeks of Enterprise Java (Java is the new COBOL). I'd be happier with 'scales' if we had deployed, large-scale apps to demonstrate. I'm sure it's possible, but we need to be able to point to them. Although it depends on what the goals of a tagline should be. If you want to make the framework discoverable through search engines, it might be more important to include words like python / mvc / web framework. The web2py name by itself has the strength of being relatively self-explanitory once you see it (it must have something to do with web programming in python) and unique when doing searches. Contrast with non-descriptive names with alternate meanings like Django/Pylons/Pyramid. But if you don't yet know the name web2py yet, a good tagline may help you discover it. Some possible approaches (not necessarily mutually exclusive): 1. Emphasize speed and ease of development (a la Productivity by design) 2. Laundry list of searchable keywords (something like A full-stack MVC web framework in Python 3. Emphasize that this is not just a toy web framework (perhaps an effect of the current Enterprise Web Framework tagline) 4. Something playful and catchy The Django tagline, for example, meets #1 and #4 pretty well, with just a bit of #2. At least, I thought it was pretty good when I started with Python web frameworks. Of course, nobody should base their choice of technology on a tagline, but first impressions certainly count for something. Kevin On Mar 15, 8:54 am, Jason (spot) Brower encomp...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm.. Twice as fast to code in than Django and four time easier. Ok ok, it sucks, but it's true! Let me think... how about: Productivity by design. Think about the page not the code! Releiving finger ache by a factor of 2. Bringing python and html together. Framework for productive web applicatons. Web application framework. Development to the table. Power to the python! There's a party over here! Truly agile. MVC to the max! The sensable MVC framework. Built with MVC in mind. Putting the fun back in to coding. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.comwrote: On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Kevin Ivarsen wrote: So far I like Productivity by design. I do too. It speaks to web2py's strongest point. I'm not happy with 'enterprise' because to me it reeks of Enterprise Java (Java is the new COBOL) + 1 to web2py web framework - Productivity by design
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
changing my +1 - now liking Productivity by design! On 15 March 2011 15:39, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.comwrote: On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Kevin Ivarsen wrote: So far I like Productivity by design. I do too. It speaks to web2py's strongest point. I'm not happy with 'enterprise' because to me it reeks of Enterprise Java (Java is the new COBOL) + 1 to web2py web framework - Productivity by design
[web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
Ok, that makes sense. My app connects to a MSSQL database on another machine, so that explains the response times 100 ms for me. So would setting pool_size to 1 on the DAL keep at least one database connection open for future page views and speed things up?
[web2py] Re: Cron doesn't work for me...
I answered your email. Briefly (on Linux/Unix): + Use crontab -l to see your cron entries. + Use crontab -e to create/edit cron entries. + Google / wikipedia for cron syntax. To execute a URL (e.g. web2py controller, you can either use wget or curl). On Mar 15, 8:05 am, Tito Garrido titogarr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi VP! How did you use the system cron? I'm wondering how can I specify the function that I want to execute... Regards, Tito On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Cron didn't work for me either, so I used the system cron. One question I have though is why root when web2py is run as www- data? -- Linux User #387870 . _/_õ|__| ..º[ .-.___.-._| . . . . .__( o)__( o).:___
[web2py] Re: Squid caching, processor load balancing (via Cubicweb)
Feature-wise, web2py is pretty complete. I think the next milestones of web2py should be on performance and scalability; (web2py is reaching 2.0 sooner or later, right?) I would like to see stronger built-in support for smart caching and load balancing (distributing work across different servers). I have a simple idea about smart caching (I don't know if it works or not). As web2py controls database access via the DAL, we can update the cache only when the database is updated. If the database is not modified, there is no reason to refresh the cache. Right? To be safe you can set a minimum time (e.g. 5 minutes cache refresh), just in case. On Mar 15, 2:35 am, Tom Atkins minkto...@gmail.com wrote: Just looking at CubicWeb via the link given on Reddit. Looks like an interesting project - amazing what's out there that I've never heard of! This blog post: http://www.cubicweb.org/blogentry/1484253 describes an interesting way of using multi core processors to load balance and solves session caching via squid. Might this be a useful approach to use for scaling web2py?
Re: [web2py] Re: Major Speedup in trunk 10x
On Mar 15, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Ross Peoples wrote:
I just noticed that the sessions are still being saved, which may be why I
didn't see any performance improvement. I deleted all of the sessions inside
the sessions folder, stopped and restarted the server, then visited the
/default/index page that flashes 'You are successfully running web2py.' and
returns message=T('Hello World'). It seems that we2py is still creating
session files. I did not log in or anything, I just visited the page as a
guest.
There's a bug in the speedup logic in the trunk right now that causes sessions
to be written as usual. Hang on a bit...
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
Web2py: The Web Framework for Pragmatists with Deadlines. (Don't ask how I came up with that. :-))
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines. - web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a web app by now! Finally, although the term enterprise is sometimes misunderstood and even mocked, it clearly appeals to some potential users because it suggests that the framework is serious, stable, secure, professional, well-supported, etc. So, even if we're dropping enterprise from the tagline, I think we should still strive to communicate that aspect of the framework and community. Best, Anthony
Re: [web2py] Re: Bug? Opening session files from multiple processes
On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Corne wrote: We (again) looked deeper into what is really happening; and it is yet different. What we ran into is the following: We tried to set a session_id our self based on information in the url, which in this case resulted in calling the session connect code (where it went wrong) twice per request. In case a cookie was send; there is no problem at all. Session is handled by web2py like always (except for the fact that it's done twice). In case there is no cookie send; there is a problem. The first call to connect (web2py internal) has no session_id, so a new one is generated. The second call to connect (our plugin) has a session id so it's handled ok. In the end of the request, the session changes are written. But in our case (without cookie) the var session_new is True (and the session file is (re)opened with 'wb'). Opening with 'wb' does seem to change the file handle. The request that is handled by a differend process at the same time will now have an invallid session. This also explains the fact that reopening the session file seemed to solve the problem except for the fact that the real problem is somewhere else. I guess that using connect is something that is / should be allowed (it's in the book), this is also the way to, for example use sessions from an other application. and there the same issue could apply: in case someone uses connect to just use a session from a different application. The first connect from web2py might result in creating a new session. While the connect which is issued later by the user does result in an existing session. When you set your own session_id, does the corresponding session file always exist? If it does not, session.connect is going to discard that session_id and generate a new uuid. I don't see a way to force session.connect to create a session file with a predetermined id. If that's not an issue, you could try setting response.session_new = False before calling session.connect; session.connect probably ought to do that itself at the beginning of the not-db logic branch. We could also add a session-id argument to allow the caller to force an id, I suppose, but I'd like to be a little clearer on your use case. Doesn't creating a session id based on the request url open up a session to hijacking?
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I like both Productivity by design and Rapid development that scales. Also note that Django and Rails, at least, also have a short description. Django The Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines Django makes it easier to build better Web apps more quickly and with less code. Rails Web development that doesn't hurt RoR is an open-source web framework that's optimized...
[web2py] Re: Squid caching, processor load balancing (via Cubicweb)
Isn't load balancing usually handle by the web server or a load balancer? Can the framework really address load balancing effectively? Would be cool if it could, of course.
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
web2py Productivity by design web2py is an open-source full stack web framework for rapid development that scales On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:45 PM, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I like both Productivity by design and Rapid development that scales. Also note that Django and Rails, at least, also have a short description. Django The Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines Django makes it easier to build better Web apps more quickly and with less code. Rails Web development that doesn't hurt RoR is an open-source web framework that's optimized...
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
+1 2011/3/15 Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com web2py Productivity by design web2py is an open-source full stack web framework for rapid development that scales On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:45 PM, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I like both Productivity by design and Rapid development that scales. Also note that Django and Rails, at least, also have a short description. Django The Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines Django makes it easier to build better Web apps more quickly and with less code. Rails Web development that doesn't hurt RoR is an open-source web framework that's optimized... -- Pablo Martín Mulone (mar...@tecnodoc.com.ar) http://www.tecnodoc.com.ar/ My blog: http://martin.tecnodoc.com.ar Expert4Solution Profile: http://www.experts4solutions.com/e4s/default/expert/6
[web2py] Re: Squid caching, processor load balancing (via Cubicweb)
web2py user Jay at PyCon really convinced to look into nginex. It is an amazing server, fast, easy to configure and can do load balancing: http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxHttpUpstreamModule Just start multiple web2py instances with rocket (on the same machine or different machines) and add to the nginex list of ip:port. On Mar 15, 12:48 pm, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't load balancing usually handle by the web server or a load balancer? Can the framework really address load balancing effectively? Would be cool if it could, of course.
[web2py] Re: Bug? Opening session files from multiple processes
Right now the session is a combination of client ip and a uuid. The uuid prevents session hijacking. The ip serves two purposes: - the server can find expired sessions more easily - the apps the reject sessions coming from wrong ip thus further protecting against hijacking. On Mar 15, 11:55 am, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Corne wrote: We (again) looked deeper into what is really happening; and it is yet different. What we ran into is the following: We tried to set a session_id our self based on information in the url, which in this case resulted in calling the session connect code (where it went wrong) twice per request. In case a cookie was send; there is no problem at all. Session is handled by web2py like always (except for the fact that it's done twice). In case there is no cookie send; there is a problem. The first call to connect (web2py internal) has no session_id, so a new one is generated. The second call to connect (our plugin) has a session id so it's handled ok. In the end of the request, the session changes are written. But in our case (without cookie) the var session_new is True (and the session file is (re)opened with 'wb'). Opening with 'wb' does seem to change the file handle. The request that is handled by a differend process at the same time will now have an invallid session. This also explains the fact that reopening the session file seemed to solve the problem except for the fact that the real problem is somewhere else. I guess that using connect is something that is / should be allowed (it's in the book), this is also the way to, for example use sessions from an other application. and there the same issue could apply: in case someone uses connect to just use a session from a different application. The first connect from web2py might result in creating a new session. While the connect which is issued later by the user does result in an existing session. When you set your own session_id, does the corresponding session file always exist? If it does not, session.connect is going to discard that session_id and generate a new uuid. I don't see a way to force session.connect to create a session file with a predetermined id. If that's not an issue, you could try setting response.session_new = False before calling session.connect; session.connect probably ought to do that itself at the beginning of the not-db logic branch. We could also add a session-id argument to allow the caller to force an id, I suppose, but I'd like to be a little clearer on your use case. Doesn't creating a session id based on the request url open up a session to hijacking?
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
LOL On Mar 15, 11:31 am, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Web2py: The Web Framework for Pragmatists with Deadlines. (Don't ask how I came up with that. :-))
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration:http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines. - web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a web app by now! Finally, although the term enterprise is sometimes misunderstood and even mocked, it clearly appeals to some potential users because it suggests that the framework is serious, stable, secure, professional, well-supported, etc. So, even if we're dropping enterprise from the tagline, I think we should still strive to communicate that aspect of the framework and community. Best, Anthony
Re: [web2py] Re: Bug? Opening session files from multiple processes
On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: Right now the session is a combination of client ip and a uuid. The uuid prevents session hijacking. The ip serves two purposes: - the server can find expired sessions more easily - the apps the reject sessions coming from wrong ip thus further protecting against hijacking. Right, but I was referring to Corne's mechanism: We tried to set a session_id our self based on information in the url, which in this case resulted in calling the session connect code (where it went wrong) twice per request. Unless there's a secret key or hash or something in the URL (like the newish hash logic in URL()), this seems open to hijacking. On Mar 15, 11:55 am, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Corne wrote: We (again) looked deeper into what is really happening; and it is yet different. What we ran into is the following: We tried to set a session_id our self based on information in the url, which in this case resulted in calling the session connect code (where it went wrong) twice per request. In case a cookie was send; there is no problem at all. Session is handled by web2py like always (except for the fact that it's done twice). In case there is no cookie send; there is a problem. The first call to connect (web2py internal) has no session_id, so a new one is generated. The second call to connect (our plugin) has a session id so it's handled ok. In the end of the request, the session changes are written. But in our case (without cookie) the var session_new is True (and the session file is (re)opened with 'wb'). Opening with 'wb' does seem to change the file handle. The request that is handled by a differend process at the same time will now have an invallid session. This also explains the fact that reopening the session file seemed to solve the problem except for the fact that the real problem is somewhere else. I guess that using connect is something that is / should be allowed (it's in the book), this is also the way to, for example use sessions from an other application. and there the same issue could apply: in case someone uses connect to just use a session from a different application. The first connect from web2py might result in creating a new session. While the connect which is issued later by the user does result in an existing session. When you set your own session_id, does the corresponding session file always exist? If it does not, session.connect is going to discard that session_id and generate a new uuid. I don't see a way to force session.connect to create a session file with a predetermined id. If that's not an issue, you could try setting response.session_new = False before calling session.connect; session.connect probably ought to do that itself at the beginning of the not-db logic branch. We could also add a session-id argument to allow the caller to force an id, I suppose, but I'd like to be a little clearer on your use case. Doesn't creating a session id based on the request url open up a session to hijacking?
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I do not think the tagline should be a question. On Mar 15, 1:44 pm, mart msenecal...@gmail.com wrote: Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration:http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines. - web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a web app by now! Finally, although the term enterprise is sometimes misunderstood and even mocked, it clearly appeals to some potential users because it suggests that the framework is serious, stable, secure, professional,
[web2py] Re: Squid caching, processor load balancing (via Cubicweb)
I just switched from Cherokee to Nginx but have not investigated load balancing yet. Is Rocket necessary? I have a Nginx/uWSGI setup. I posted my install Fabfile on another thread.
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
2011/3/15 mart msenecal...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines. - web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a web app by now! Finally, although the term enterprise is sometimes misunderstood and even mocked, it clearly appeals to some potential users because it suggests that the framework is serious, stable, secure, professional, well-supported, etc. So, even if we're dropping
[web2py] Re: Squid caching, processor load balancing (via Cubicweb)
FYI, Nginx + uWSGI is what DotCloud uses for its Python hosting (HAProxy for load balancing): http://docs.dotcloud.com/components/python/ On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:11:53 PM UTC-4, pbreit wrote: I just switched from Cherokee to Nginx but have not investigated load balancing yet. Is Rocket necessary? I have a Nginx/uWSGI setup. I posted my install Fabfile on another thread.
Re: [web2py] Internet Explorer Issue
in *base.css* for welcome app change
input[type=text], input[type=password], select {
height: 16px;
}
to
input[type=text], input[type=password], select {
height: 25px;
}
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Ialejandro ialejandr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi every body! I have some issues with Internet Explorer (I think all
versions)
when I get into my app developed with wep2py in chrome or firefox
there's no problem, but with IE, the dropdowns doesn't show correctly,
when I select a value it appears split, some fields are overlapped...
well I have a lot of issues.
How could I make it work fine?
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
+1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2py.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msenecal...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines. - web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a web app by now! Finally, although the term enterprise is sometimes misunderstood and even mocked, it clearly
[web2py] Re: Small edits to web2py book
Villas - thanks for making those corrections. I went through to verify the edits, and crossed them off in my document. Today I added many more suggested changes for chapters 5 thru 7 for any editors interested in incorporating them into the book. Many of them are small nitpicks, but the Validators section of Chapter 7 has several important edits that should be made. Perhaps most importantly, the description of strftime format specifiers is almost entirely missing from the IS_DATETIME section. Also of note is that the book lists the wrong boundary conditions for IS_FLOAT_IN_RANGE and IS_INT_IN_RANGE. As before, the edits are documented here: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=15y2g6aYOvfc1joFgW5ZUhKk7HHWm2rYBre6muwZgIBY Best regards, Kevin On Mar 14, 7:54 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin That is great! Thesesmalltypos and mistakes detract from the web2py project. I have already done thoseedits(and I hope correctly!). If you post moreedits, I and other editors are very pleased to make the changes. Best regards, David On Mar 14, 8:53 pm, Kevin Ivarsen kivar...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I've been working my way through the web2py book. The content is outstanding - many thanks to everyone who is involved with this work! However, a fewsmalltypos popped out at me along the way. Starting around Chapter 5 I began recording these as I noticed them. (I haven't yet tried to go back and find the ones I had noticed earlier in the book.) My notes may be found here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/15y2g6aYOvfc1joFgW5ZUhKk7HHWm2rYBr... In his Pycon talk Massimo mentioned that several people have edit privileges on the book. If anybody is interested in making these corrections, let me know and I will continue to update the document as I find things to tweak. Alternatively, if I could be granted edit privileges I'd be happy to make these changes myself. Cheers, Kevin
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I don't know how to fit it in elegantly, but wanted to offer the idea of relating Python's batteries included mantra to web2py. That's one thing that struck me about web2py early on - it gives you a lot of nice features right off the bat. Kevin On Mar 15, 3:49 pm, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2py.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msenecal...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I like the idea of rotating taglines. Instant gratification comes to mind.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I like Productivity by Design because it sounds catchy and includes the word Productivity, but I'm sort of wondering what we mean with by design. Does that imply we didn't accidentally create a productive framework but have done so with forethought by design? Or perhaps that web2py achieves productivity by promoting a particular design to its web apps? I want it to be meaningful because it sounds cool, but it seems a little murky to me. Anthony On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, mwolfe02 wrote: +1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2p...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msene...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abas...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you
[web2py] Re: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost'
Miguel,
MySQL can communicate over either TCP or a named pipe. It's possible
that your MySQL server is only listening on the named pipe. I could
imagine that the mysql command line client would connect successfully
over this channel, but Python would try to connect to the TCP socket
and fail.
Try telnetting to the local mysql port and see what happens:
telnet localhost 3306
If you get an error like connection refused, then this is almost
certainly the problem. Take a look at your mysql config file (/etc/
mysql/my.cnf or similar) and look for the bind-address or skip-
networking settings.
Kevin
On Mar 15, 11:08 am, Miguel miguel.miran...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello to all, I have created a new project using the web wizard, for
some unknown reason the mysql connection is not working, this is the
uri im using:
mysql://cmts_monitor:cmtsTigoHome@localhost/cmts_monitor
and this is the error i got:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /home/www-data/web2py/gluon/restricted.py, line 188, in
restricted
exec ccode in environment
File /home/www-data/web2py/applications/CMTS_Monitor/models/db.py,
line 17, in module
db = DAL('mysql://cmts_monitor:cmtsTigoHome@localhost/
cmts_monitor') # if not, use SQLite or other DB
File /home/www-data/web2py/gluon/dal.py, line 3423, in __init__
raise RuntimeError, Failure to connect, tried 5 times:\n%s %
error
RuntimeError: Failure to connect, tried 5 times:
(2003, Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (111))
i have tested the username/password combination in the command line,
it works fine:
mmiranda@appsrv01:/var/log/check_cmts$ mysql --user cmts_monitor --
database cmts_monitor --host=localhost -p
Enter password:
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 20510
Server version: 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.5 (Ubuntu)
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input
statement.
mysql
What should i check?
regards
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
IMNSHO, Productivity by Design sucks. It is vague, wishy-washy, and banal. It could be said of every web development tool from Apache to Zope. It fails to capture any of web2py's essential advantages. Massimo's offer of rapid web development that scales is closer to the mark because it at least mentions one totally unique feature -- the fact that web2py scales from memory-stick to datacenter. (This is what brought it to my attention first.) Another unique feature of web2py is it's Python all the way down (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down for the cosmological reference). Again, this is a totally unique property of web2py that no other environment can claim. I find it liberating that I only need to become proficient in Python (all right, and a little JS) to get my job done. Finally, the security model of web2py is vastly stronger than its peers. Massimo has done more to make web2py resistant to hacks, attacks, and vulnerabilities than any other platform that I'm familiar with. The familiar saw that web2py is more productive than other platforms is the most difficult to prove and the quickest to start flame wars. Who can say which platform is more productive? It is totally subjective. Someone skilled in Java development, who has never seen Python in his short life will probably not be more productive in web2py. Sad, but true. So how about: web2py: scalable, pure python, and secure -- Joe B.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
+1 On Mar 15, 2:43 pm, Bruno Rocha rochacbr...@gmail.com wrote: web2py - Code Less Create More! -- Bruno Rocha [ About me:http://zerp.ly/rochacbruno] On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
[web2py] Dealing with BLOBs
I have been trying this for a while now and have had some serious problems
with BLOBs. I have taken the DAL out of the equation by using executesql().
I am grabbing a picture blob from an existing database (each picture os
about 35 kb). I am taking the blob and writing it to a file, but only the
first 4096 bytes are written to the file. Does anyone know what's going on?
Did I do this wrong? Here's my code:
folder = os.path.join(self.request.folder, 'uploads')
rows = source.executesql('SELECT TOP 3 * FROM EmployeesPictures;')
for row in rows:
username = row[0].lower()
id = users_rev[username].id
picture = row[1]
if not picture: continue
file = open(os.path.join(folder, username + '.png'), 'wb')
for i in picture:
file.write(i)
file.close()
Re: [web2py] Re: Paypal slice question
yes, you should be putting your paypal values in there. i abstracted them to a site-settings table so an admin could update them (and we could switch them easily between test and production values). make sense? cfh
[web2py] Re: Bug? Opening session files from multiple processes
When you set your own session_id, does the corresponding session file always exist? Yes, it does. I'm sure.. If that's not an issue, you could try setting response.session_new = False before calling session.connect I already tried that, and then it does work. The problem we are running into is exactly this: The response.session_new = True, and is never reset. (I guess it should do that). Doesn't creating a session id based on the request url open up a session to hijacking? The sessions are created by web2py as usual, in the request we only add a hash to find the session back (in our case the client might have no cookies). Internally we do also check the ip to avoid session hijacking. What is stored on the disk are the normal web2py sessions. In case that a client supports cookies it all works the normal way. In case there are no cookies, we use the hash from the url to set the session (using session.connect())
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
how about designed for productivity? On Mar 15, 2:49 pm, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2py.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msenecal...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with
Re: [web2py] Re: Bug? Opening session files from multiple processes
On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Corne wrote: When you set your own session_id, does the corresponding session file always exist? Yes, it does. I'm sure.. If that's not an issue, you could try setting response.session_new = False before calling session.connect I already tried that, and then it does work. The problem we are running into is exactly this: The response.session_new = True, and is never reset. (I guess it should do that). I don't offhand see any harm in setting it properly in each connect call. I'm a little unsure about the logic if the session file doesn't exist, but as long as it does it should work fine. I'll suggest a patch to Massimo, but setting it to False before your call should continue to work regardless. I'm leaning in the direction of passing in a session id argument as well, but I'd like to think about it a little more. In your case (session file always exists) it doesn't matter so much, but if someone wanted to force the creation of a session file with a particular id, the logic you're using wouldn't work, because the id gets rewritten. At any rate: you have a working solution, right? Doesn't creating a session id based on the request url open up a session to hijacking? The sessions are created by web2py as usual, in the request we only add a hash to find the session back (in our case the client might have no cookies). Internally we do also check the ip to avoid session hijacking. What is stored on the disk are the normal web2py sessions. In case that a client supports cookies it all works the normal way. In case there are no cookies, we use the hash from the url to set the session (using session.connect())
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: how about designed for productivity? Productivity. Security. Community. On Mar 15, 2:49 pm, mwolfe02 michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2py.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msenecal...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet their needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, and productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it will be too difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great feat by being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and flexible. It's got something for everyone. Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think my favorite proposal has been: - Productivity by Design Here are some other options: - web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines. - web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have built a web app by now! Finally,
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
Web2py: The python framework for speed, security and scalability.
[web2py] Re: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost'
Hi Miguel,
I had a similar problem on ubuntu linux recently and the solution was
to enter the port number (which is usually 3306) in connect string.
Try: mysql://username:password@localhost:port/test
Cheers
Tamas
On Mar 16, 2:08 am, Miguel miguel.miran...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello to all, I have created a new project using the web wizard, for
some unknown reason the mysql connection is not working, this is the
uri im using:
mysql://cmts_monitor:cmtsTigoHome@localhost/cmts_monitor
and this is the error i got:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /home/www-data/web2py/gluon/restricted.py, line 188, in
restricted
exec ccode in environment
File /home/www-data/web2py/applications/CMTS_Monitor/models/db.py,
line 17, in module
db = DAL('mysql://cmts_monitor:cmtsTigoHome@localhost/
cmts_monitor') # if not, use SQLite or other DB
File /home/www-data/web2py/gluon/dal.py, line 3423, in __init__
raise RuntimeError, Failure to connect, tried 5 times:\n%s %
error
RuntimeError: Failure to connect, tried 5 times:
(2003, Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (111))
i have tested the username/password combination in the command line,
it works fine:
mmiranda@appsrv01:/var/log/check_cmts$ mysql --user cmts_monitor --
database cmts_monitor --host=localhost -p
Enter password:
Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MySQL connection id is 20510
Server version: 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.5 (Ubuntu)
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input
statement.
mysql
What should i check?
regards
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I think python all the way down invites controversy since the main criticism of web2py is that it is not pythonic.
Re: [web2py] Re: Paypal slice question
I'm struggling to complete a re-write of the code to be more generic. Still working. And I'm going to try to put it in Massimo's tutorial format.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
Here's mine, just for fun.
Web2py
{{=response.subtitle}}
Its an original tagline :P
[web2py] Re: Small edits to web2py book
Thanks Kevin I've done those. On Mar 15, 7:55 pm, Kevin Ivarsen kivar...@gmail.com wrote: Villas - thanks for making those corrections. I went through to verify the edits, and crossed them off in my document. Today I added many more suggested changes for chapters 5 thru 7 for any editors interested in incorporating them into the book. Many of them are small nitpicks, but the Validators section of Chapter 7 has several important edits that should be made. Perhaps most importantly, the description of strftime format specifiers is almost entirely missing from the IS_DATETIME section. Also of note is that the book lists the wrong boundary conditions for IS_FLOAT_IN_RANGE and IS_INT_IN_RANGE. As before, the edits are documented here:https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=15y2g6aYOvfc1joFgW5ZUhKk7HHWm... Best regards, Kevin On Mar 14, 7:54 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin That is great! Thesesmalltypos and mistakes detract from the web2py project. I have already done thoseedits(and I hope correctly!). If you post moreedits, I and other editors are very pleased to make the changes. Best regards, David On Mar 14, 8:53 pm, Kevin Ivarsen kivar...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I've been working my way through the web2py book. The content is outstanding - many thanks to everyone who is involved with this work! However, a fewsmalltypos popped out at me along the way. Starting around Chapter 5 I began recording these as I noticed them. (I haven't yet tried to go back and find the ones I had noticed earlier in the book.) My notes may be found here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/15y2g6aYOvfc1joFgW5ZUhKk7HHWm2rYBr... In his Pycon talk Massimo mentioned that several people have edit privileges on the book. If anybody is interested in making these corrections, let me know and I will continue to update the document as I find things to tweak. Alternatively, if I could be granted edit privileges I'd be happy to make these changes myself. Cheers, Kevin
[web2py] tabular form
Hello, I need to key around 30 value for a single field at regular times. Using a loop form in a view doesn't fit this purpose as I will have to submit every form. I'd prefer a kind a tabular and a single submit button that would save the 30 values in the database. Can somebody give me a clue on the way to achive this ?
[web2py] Re: Another jerk!
Web2py: the framework for everyone! or Web2py: for realists with deadlines! or Web2py: best thing since django/ruby! On Mar 14, 10:04 pm, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for dropping the word Enterprise. I don't think the word will make it any more convincing for enterprise people when they shop around for frameworks. On the other hand, it's a source of criticisms (justified or not). Web2py's merits should be based on substance and good documentations that show people how to do things. These words don't do anything; and if they bring troubles, they should be dropped like a rock. On Mar 14, 10:30 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: we will change the tagline. Let'open a thread for proposals On Mar 14, 9:50 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my own (limited) experience suggests that most 'enterprise' clients have some proper IT guys who would know what they are doing and have already made a few strategic commitments, which, if they do not include Python, then you are flogging a dead horse (I mean snake!). I do not see any benefit for web2py to particularly target those guys, they are just too entrenched. The big growth in new users will come from small 'agile' firms, non- profits and web start-ups. Why not target that 'real' market with something attractive to them instead of going after the people who have already made their choices. On Mar 15, 1:53 am, G. Clifford Williams g...@notadiscussion.com wrote: As someone who's developed several web2py appications for 'enterprise' clients, I can only say that the managers who don't know any better do actually notice the presence of that particular adjective. It helps get web2py past the buzz-word filter. I've had a client tell me that my application ...felt more stable... when they had me rewrite it from ... that shell script thing.. to Java. All I'd done was redeploy from Python to Jython and connected it to their Oracle DBMS instead of using SQLite. To some, any type of 'scripting' is not 'business class'. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:17:03PM -0300, rochacbruno spake: I would like to drop the enterprise, because translated to portuguese this means empresarial which is corporated just like Java. I like just: Web2py - the web framework to get things done! Enviado via iPhone Em 14/03/2011, s 22:06, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com escreveu: Agreed. enterprise is it bit odd here.
Re: [web2py] Re: Another jerk!
I like the 'Getting Things Done' proposal since I'm a bit obsesive with productivity. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:48 AM, b00m_chef r...@devshell.org wrote: Web2py: the framework for everyone! or Web2py: for realists with deadlines! or Web2py: best thing since django/ruby! On Mar 14, 10:04 pm, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for dropping the word Enterprise. I don't think the word will make it any more convincing for enterprise people when they shop around for frameworks. On the other hand, it's a source of criticisms (justified or not). Web2py's merits should be based on substance and good documentations that show people how to do things. These words don't do anything; and if they bring troubles, they should be dropped like a rock. On Mar 14, 10:30 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: we will change the tagline. Let'open a thread for proposals On Mar 14, 9:50 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my own (limited) experience suggests that most 'enterprise' clients have some proper IT guys who would know what they are doing and have already made a few strategic commitments, which, if they do not include Python, then you are flogging a dead horse (I mean snake!). I do not see any benefit for web2py to particularly target those guys, they are just too entrenched. The big growth in new users will come from small 'agile' firms, non- profits and web start-ups. Why not target that 'real' market with something attractive to them instead of going after the people who have already made their choices. On Mar 15, 1:53 am, G. Clifford Williams g...@notadiscussion.com wrote: As someone who's developed several web2py appications for 'enterprise' clients, I can only say that the managers who don't know any better do actually notice the presence of that particular adjective. It helps get web2py past the buzz-word filter. I've had a client tell me that my application ...felt more stable... when they had me rewrite it from ... that shell script thing.. to Java. All I'd done was redeploy from Python to Jython and connected it to their Oracle DBMS instead of using SQLite. To some, any type of 'scripting' is not 'business class'. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:17:03PM -0300, rochacbruno spake: I would like to drop the enterprise, because translated to portuguese this means empresarial which is corporated just like Java. I like just: Web2py - the web framework to get things done! Enviado via iPhone Em 14/03/2011, s 22:06, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com escreveu: Agreed. enterprise is it bit odd here.
[web2py] Re: Another jerk!
Hi bOOm_chef and Albert, Please note there is a new thread asking for proposals for the new tagline. http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38eac2260f/bf34c5abc1800c9d#bf34c5abc1800c9d
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
- Try to avoid vagueness or bad marketing terms. Be factual. - Would not try to use more than three properties. (secure, scalabale, fast, easy to learn, productive, great community etc.) Pick the three that are most important. - Let's not forget the obvious, explain the name a bit more, it's mainly to lure in people who see it for the first time. Previous poster said speed, security and scalability. But of what? Mention web development! That's what we are all here for! And as rapid as we can! :) web2py: secure scalable python framework for rapid web development
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
If it's all too boring, we could spice things up! :) web2py: making web development sexy since 2007.
[web2py] Re: tabular form
Something like this: def names30(): import copy n=db.person.name ff=[] for i in range(0,30): nn=copy.copy(n) nn.name='%s%02i' %(nn.name,i) ff.append(nn) form=SQLFORM.factory(*ff) if form.accepts(request.vars, session, dbio=False): for v in form.vars.values(): if v: # db insert goes here db.person.insert(name=v) elif form.errors: response.flash='oops' return dict(form=form) On Mar 15, 7:26 pm, JmiXIII sylvn.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I need to key around 30 value for a single field at regular times. Using a loop form in a view doesn't fit this purpose as I will have to submit every form. I'd prefer a kind a tabular and a single submit button that would save the 30 values in the database. Can somebody give me a clue on the way to achive this ?
[web2py] Re: Another jerk!
For pragmatists who get things done On Mar 15, 6:48 pm, b00m_chef r...@devshell.org wrote: Web2py: the framework for everyone! or Web2py: for realists with deadlines! or Web2py: best thing since django/ruby! On Mar 14, 10:04 pm, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for dropping the word Enterprise. I don't think the word will make it any more convincing for enterprise people when they shop around for frameworks. On the other hand, it's a source of criticisms (justified or not). Web2py's merits should be based on substance and good documentations that show people how to do things. These words don't do anything; and if they bring troubles, they should be dropped like a rock. On Mar 14, 10:30 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: we will change the tagline. Let'open a thread for proposals On Mar 14, 9:50 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: Well, my own (limited) experience suggests that most 'enterprise' clients have some proper IT guys who would know what they are doing and have already made a few strategic commitments, which, if they do not include Python, then you are flogging a dead horse (I mean snake!). I do not see any benefit for web2py to particularly target those guys, they are just too entrenched. The big growth in new users will come from small 'agile' firms, non- profits and web start-ups. Why not target that 'real' market with something attractive to them instead of going after the people who have already made their choices. On Mar 15, 1:53 am, G. Clifford Williams g...@notadiscussion.com wrote: As someone who's developed several web2py appications for 'enterprise' clients, I can only say that the managers who don't know any better do actually notice the presence of that particular adjective. It helps get web2py past the buzz-word filter. I've had a client tell me that my application ...felt more stable... when they had me rewrite it from ... that shell script thing.. to Java. All I'd done was redeploy from Python to Jython and connected it to their Oracle DBMS instead of using SQLite. To some, any type of 'scripting' is not 'business class'. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:17:03PM -0300, rochacbruno spake: I would like to drop the enterprise, because translated to portuguese this means empresarial which is corporated just like Java. I like just: Web2py - the web framework to get things done! Enviado via iPhone Em 14/03/2011, s 22:06, pbreit pbreitenb...@gmail.com escreveu: Agreed. enterprise is it bit odd here.
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
We were in the same issue to choose the new logo. Had a votation and from a list with 94 logos we ended with the most simple and compact. Today, I think everyone agrees that the logo is good enought. I really think we need to drop enterprise so what about just dropping it? As simple enought as web2py is. I mean: lets drop it and leave just: Web2py web framework. When a new phrase for tagline come up here naturally. It can be included.
[web2py] return xml list
I used the code that Massimo posted for returning the xml, which works
perfectly fine when exporting from a single table, but when selecting
fields from two tables it gets stuck, due to table names propagated in
the resultset. Being a newbie w web2py and python I'm not finding an
elegant solution around it, but I know it must be there.
Here is a code snippet:
def export_orders_xml():
...
orders = db(db.order_items.item_id==int(request.args(0)))\
(db.order_items.order_id==db.order1.id)\
.select(
db.order_items.order_id, \
db.order1.first_name, \
db.order1.last_name, \
)
return xml_list(orders)
#xml tags
def export_xml(rows, fields):
users=[]
for row in rows: users.append(TAG.user(*[TAG[f](row[f]) for f in
fields]))
return TAG.users(*users).xml()
#xml view
def xml_list(rows):
response.headers['Content-Type']='application/xml'
return export_xml(rows,['order_items','order1'])
# would prefer to use it this way: return export_xml(rows,
['first_name','last_name'])
I think TAG should go around something like this:
row['table_name'].field, but not sure how to get to it :)
Rendered output:
- users
- user
order_itemsRow {'order_id': 123}/order_items
- order1
Row {'first_name': 'John', 'order_items': gluon.dal.Set object at
0x1176689d0, 'last_name': 'Test', 'update_record': function lambda
at 0x117644050, 'delete_record': function lambda at 0x117644a28}
/order1
/user
Re: [web2py] Re: Cron doesn't work for me...
Thanks! On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: I answered your email. Briefly (on Linux/Unix): + Use crontab -l to see your cron entries. + Use crontab -e to create/edit cron entries. + Google / wikipedia for cron syntax. To execute a URL (e.g. web2py controller, you can either use wget or curl). On Mar 15, 8:05 am, Tito Garrido titogarr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi VP! How did you use the system cron? I'm wondering how can I specify the function that I want to execute... Regards, Tito On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, VP vtp2...@gmail.com wrote: Cron didn't work for me either, so I used the system cron. One question I have though is why root when web2py is run as www- data? -- Linux User #387870 . _/_õ|__| ..º[ .-.___.-._| . . . . .__( o)__( o).:___ -- Linux User #387870 . _/_õ|__| ..º[ .-.___.-._| . . . . .__( o)__( o).:___
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I suppose we don't need a tagline at all. I think it only appears near the top of the home page and on the book cover, so it's not exactly ubiquitous. Not all frameworks have a tagline. We could just stick with a descriptive summary sentence on the home page, which is currently: Free open source full-stack framework for rapid development of fast, scalable, secure http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/01#securityand portable database-driven web-based applications. Written and programmable in Python http://www.python.org. I suppose we could tweak that a bit, but it's not bad. Of course, if we come up with a great tagline, we should use it -- but no tagline is probably better than a mediocre (or controversial) one. Anthony On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:14:51 PM UTC-4, rochacbruno wrote: We were in the same issue to choose the new logo. Had a votation and from a list with 94 logos we ended with the most simple and compact. Today, I think everyone agrees that the logo is good enought. I really think we need to drop enterprise so what about just dropping it? As simple enought as web2py is. I mean: lets drop it and leave just: Web2py web framework. When a new phrase for tagline come up here naturally. It can be included.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I agree. I will remove it with the next commit. On Mar 15, 9:50 pm, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose we don't need a tagline at all. I think it only appears near the top of the home page and on the book cover, so it's not exactly ubiquitous. Not all frameworks have a tagline. We could just stick with a descriptive summary sentence on the home page, which is currently: Free open source full-stack framework for rapid development of fast, scalable, secure http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/01#securityand portable database-driven web-based applications. Written and programmable in Python http://www.python.org. I suppose we could tweak that a bit, but it's not bad. Of course, if we come up with a great tagline, we should use it -- but no tagline is probably better than a mediocre (or controversial) one. Anthony On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:14:51 PM UTC-4, rochacbruno wrote: We were in the same issue to choose the new logo. Had a votation and from a list with 94 logos we ended with the most simple and compact. Today, I think everyone agrees that the logo is good enought. I really think we need to drop enterprise so what about just dropping it? As simple enought as web2py is. I mean: lets drop it and leave just: Web2py web framework. When a new phrase for tagline come up here naturally. It can be included.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
Note, it also appears as the title in the HTML head and vertically on the side of the page in the online book: http://www.web2py.com/book/. On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:03:14 PM UTC-4, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: I agree. I will remove it with the next commit. On Mar 15, 9:50 pm, Anthony abas...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose we don't need a tagline at all. I think it only appears near the top of the home page and on the book cover, so it's not exactly ubiquitous. Not all frameworks have a tagline. We could just stick with a descriptive summary sentence on the home page, which is currently: Free open source full-stack framework for rapid development of fast, scalable, secure http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/01#securityand portable database-driven web-based applications. Written and programmable in Python http://www.python.org. I suppose we could tweak that a bit, but it's not bad. Of course, if we come up with a great tagline, we should use it -- but no tagline is probably better than a mediocre (or controversial) one. Anthony On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:14:51 PM UTC-4, rochacbruno wrote: We were in the same issue to choose the new logo. Had a votation and from a list with 94 logos we ended with the most simple and compact. Today, I think everyone agrees that the logo is good enought. I really think we need to drop enterprise so what about just dropping it? As simple enought as web2py is. I mean: lets drop it and leave just: Web2py web framework. When a new phrase for tagline come up here naturally. It can be included.
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
'Elegance through simplicity' On Mar 16, 4:12 am, mikech mp.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of rotating taglines. Instant gratification comes to mind.
Re: [web2py] Re: Paypal slice question
Makes sense I wanted them in a table also. But the site settings table is already in existance, with that code you provided how does that work? Or am I totally missing something? *cheers On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM, howesc how...@umich.edu wrote: yes, you should be putting your paypal values in there. i abstracted them to a site-settings table so an admin could update them (and we could switch them easily between test and production values). make sense? cfh
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
I wanted it to mean as much as possible. It was intended to mean you can be productive and it was thought out with experienced hands when created. On 15 Mar 2011 22:13, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote: I like Productivity by Design because it sounds catchy and includes the word Productivity, but I'm sort of wondering what we mean with by design. Does that imply we didn't accidentally create a productive framework but have done so with forethought by design? Or perhaps that web2py achieves productivity by promoting a particular design to its web apps? I want it to be meaningful because it sounds cool, but it seems a little murky to me. Anthony On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, mwolfe02 wrote: +1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2p...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msene...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony abas...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care more about different sets of attributes. I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is that it is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The problem is, when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, experts might assume it is going to
Re: [web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
OK, that makes sense. :) On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:56:17 PM UTC-4, encompass wrote: I wanted it to mean as much as possible. It was intended to mean you can be productive and it was thought out with experienced hands when created. On 15 Mar 2011 22:13, Anthony abas...@gmail.com wrote: I like Productivity by Design because it sounds catchy and includes the word Productivity, but I'm sort of wondering what we mean with by design. Does that imply we didn't accidentally create a productive framework but have done so with forethought by design? Or perhaps that web2py achieves productivity by promoting a particular design to its web apps? I want it to be meaningful because it sounds cool, but it seems a little murky to me. Anthony On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, mwolfe02 wrote: +1 Productivity by design On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto web2...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/15 mart msen...@gmail.com Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So my take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where I want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of their software, I tend to speak about what's exciting about web2py and much less about how it will help us be more productive. Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and associated resources tools without showing conviction and excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked about web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would have been able to to do any other way. Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and I like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see things happen and I really like that I can take time to think about changing things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this because web2py has a community where one can login post a question and get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i would choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a doubt impressive and great, but that would put me in shopping mode as opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... what inspires you? Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that aks a question like that? anyways, That's it, Mart :) On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony aba...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but as we generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of the distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here are some things I think about when I think of web2py: - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise - Feature-packed, comprehensive - Secure - Stable (backwards compatible) - User-focused - Innovative - Well integrated - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, fast bug fixes, responsive to user needs - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive - Professional, mature, serious - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to expert The book preface also provides some good inspiration: http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may want to target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; internal web developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; non-Python professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners who are new to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within organizations or external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; instructors who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care
[web2py] Re: Proposals for New Tagline
Here's my tounge in cheek proposal: Web2py: puts the fun back in coding -- and extra time for playing with taglines ... On Mar 15, 7:04 pm, villas villa...@gmail.com wrote: The web2py tagline is currently: 'Enterprise Web Framework'. Massimo agrees that this might be improved and this thread is to solicit suggestions. Ideally suggestions would encapsulate the 'spirit' of web2py or stress a feature(s) and simply make it seem more attractive to new users. As an idea, here is one suggestion (inspired by Bruno) stressing the productivity of web2py: ** Web2py - the Framework that gets things done! **
