Re: [web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
Python2 is also installed by default, and importantly, /usr/bin/python is still a symlink to python2.7 --
Re: [web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-amd64.manifest I see lots of mentions to Python 2.7 in the manifest of the desktop edition of Ubuntu 12.10 (beta): libpython2.72.7.3-5ubuntu1 python 2.7.3-0ubuntu5 python2.7 2.7.3-5ubuntu1 python2.7-minimal 2.7.3-5ubuntu1 So even if it's not the *default* version of Python, the ISO is definitely *shipping* with 12.10. The fact that "apt-get install python" (no version number) appears at first glance to default to 2.7.3 seems reassuring to me. --
Re: [web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
yes. everybody is doing this right but Arch. python3 has to be available but has to treated as a different language. On Tuesday, 11 September 2012 12:09:19 UTC-5, LightDot wrote: > > I have been running python and python3 packages side by side on Fedora > ever since python 3 came out. I'm sure all bigger distros have this taken > care of in a similar way... I was curious so I took a look: > > - Debian has 2.x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' > - Fedora has 2.x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' > - Ubuntu has 2.x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' > - OpenSUSE has 2x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' > - Arch has 2.x as 'python2' and 3.x as 'python' (!). > > Regards, > Ales > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:11:57 PM UTC+2, Jonathan Lundell wrote: >> >> On 10 Sep 2012, at 11:32 PM, pbreit wrote: >> > >> > Well...for starters, web2py, fabric and pil are 2.7. So, yes, I think >> it is an absolutely, insanely user-hostile decision. The python ecosystem >> is not even close to ready to move to 3. And from what I can tell, 3 offers >> minimal benefits. >> >> OTOH, it's never going to be ready to move until it gets a push. A first >> step would be to be able to count on its presence. > > --
Re: [web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
I have been running python and python3 packages side by side on Fedora ever since python 3 came out. I'm sure all bigger distros have this taken care of in a similar way... I was curious so I took a look: - Debian has 2.x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' - Fedora has 2.x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' - Ubuntu has 2.x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' - OpenSUSE has 2x as 'python' and 3.x as 'python3' - Arch has 2.x as 'python2' and 3.x as 'python' (!). Regards, Ales On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:11:57 PM UTC+2, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > > On 10 Sep 2012, at 11:32 PM, pbreit > > wrote: > > > > Well...for starters, web2py, fabric and pil are 2.7. So, yes, I think it > is an absolutely, insanely user-hostile decision. The python ecosystem is > not even close to ready to move to 3. And from what I can tell, 3 offers > minimal benefits. > > OTOH, it's never going to be ready to move until it gets a push. A first > step would be to be able to count on its presence. --
Re: [web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
On 10 Sep 2012, at 11:32 PM, pbreit wrote: > > Well...for starters, web2py, fabric and pil are 2.7. So, yes, I think it is > an absolutely, insanely user-hostile decision. The python ecosystem is not > even close to ready to move to 3. And from what I can tell, 3 offers minimal > benefits. OTOH, it's never going to be ready to move until it gets a push. A first step would be to be able to count on its presence. --
[web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
Well...for starters, web2py, fabric and pil are 2.7. So, yes, I think it is an absolutely, insanely user-hostile decision. The python ecosystem is not even close to ready to move to 3. And from what I can tell, 3 offers minimal benefits. --
[web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
If its so easy to install 2.7, why so insane? People have to start moving at some point. I understand a lot of people don't support it yet because they don't think the new features are worth it yet.but its really easy to setup a virtual env. So why is this such an insane bad idea? It could help people start moving towards 3 and providing support. For web developers, all we have to do is make an env, so I don't see how its such a terrible idea. Especially if all their libraries will work on 3, then why not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you guys are wrong or trying yo troll, im honestly asking why its so insane for them to do this. It can help people start moving forward. --
[web2py] [OT] Ubuntu 12.10 will no longer ship with Python 2
FYI: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal says bye bye to Python 2. Take note if you run web2py and intend to use 12.10. I am not sure if there are ways to get Python 2 installed though. "For 12.10, we intend to ship only Python 3 with the Ubuntu desktop image, not Python 2. Beta-1 continues this process." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Python_3.0 --
