Re: [web2py] Brainstorming
Have you looked at breezejs? A "JavaScript library that helps you manage data in rich client applications". Breeze dynamically builds a mirror of the server-side db model on the client and then binds to UI controls so the UI updates when the data model changes. Each object knows when it has changed and what has changed. Essentially it builds a client-side cache of the db. On the surface it's focused on .NET (with it's own .NET components), but if you look underneath you see that web2py could easily provide the back-end. Nice overview here: http://www.breezejs.com/documentation/introduction MIT license. On Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:33:04 PM UTC+12, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > web2py is mostly serverside and that is not going to change. I think what > we are discussing is the future... > > In the future I envision a new framework that has more client-side logic. > In order to do that we have make some choices of client-side frameworks. I > also agree that communication between client and server needs to rely on > standards. One possible standard are using hypermedia API for self > documenting json services. Yet I find it to be insufficient. I am spending > lot of time thinking about a generic way for client and server to > communicate. The problem is that they need to communicate more than data, > but also templates, and workflow information. > > > On Friday, 20 June 2014 16:26:44 UTC-5, Phyo Arkar wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Michele Comitini > > wrote: >> >>> My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a >>> wide range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to >>> keep server side code mostly untouched when changing js framework, easily >>> add support for a new js framework. >>> In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and >>> server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. >>> >> >> >My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a >> wide range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to >> keep server side code mostly untouched when changing js >framework, easily >> add support for a new js framework. >> >In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and >> server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. >> >> >> + 100! >> >> Exactly my toughts too. >> > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [web2py] Brainstorming
web2py is mostly serverside and that is not going to change. I think what we are discussing is the future... In the future I envision a new framework that has more client-side logic. In order to do that we have make some choices of client-side frameworks. I also agree that communication between client and server needs to rely on standards. One possible standard are using hypermedia API for self documenting json services. Yet I find it to be insufficient. I am spending lot of time thinking about a generic way for client and server to communicate. The problem is that they need to communicate more than data, but also templates, and workflow information. On Friday, 20 June 2014 16:26:44 UTC-5, Phyo Arkar wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Michele Comitini < > michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a >> wide range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to >> keep server side code mostly untouched when changing js framework, easily >> add support for a new js framework. >> In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and >> server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. >> > > >My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a > wide range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to > keep server side code mostly untouched when changing js >framework, easily > add support for a new js framework. > >In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and > server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. > > > + 100! > > Exactly my toughts too. > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [web2py] Brainstorming
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Michele Comitini < michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote: > My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a wide > range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to keep > server side code mostly untouched when changing js framework, easily add > support for a new js framework. > In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and > server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. > >My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a wide range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to keep server side code mostly untouched when changing js >framework, easily add support for a new js framework. >In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. + 100! Exactly my toughts too. -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [web2py] Brainstorming
I share Massimo opinion about ractive.js: simple and effective. The author goal is not having a bloat of features, but rather having a foundation that helps developers, with few clear, but powerful enough concepts, translated in a small framework. Besides personal preferences, it's clear to me, that the problem here is not web2py including or not a specific client side tool. Great confusion arises and consequently many different approaches, frameworks, tools and so on. IMHO thas is because of client side (browser) approach to UX: js + html could be not the best way to create a UX. Most if not all of the js frameworks around today, are a response to that problem. My POV is that web2py should have a rather agnostic attitude toward a wide range of frameworks, by having some kind of layer that would allow to keep server side code mostly untouched when changing js framework, easily add support for a new js framework. In practice web2py should use a well defined protocol between client and server, to pass actions, messages and events back and forth. In any case, following the "battery included" paradigm of web2py, we must choose a default js framework to start with. 2014-06-20 20:13 GMT+02:00 Phyo Arkar : > For UI i recommend Qooxdoo. > > Qooxdoo make us no need to write HTML and CSS , for 3 years already . We > even forget what HTML and CSS looks like > its javascript is so clean and truly object oriented . UI Widgets are > professionally designed , we don't even need a graphic designer in our > team. > Integration with web2py is very easy too , but we write whole view logic > in qooxdoo and server side data by doing ajax request, to JsonRPC. > > It is complete, we only need specialized JSLibs like D3 and JQPlot , all > other needs are provided by qooxdoo (From UI to AJAX LongPoll , JsonRPC, > Databinding). > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Massimo Di Pierro < > massimo.dipie...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Often Angular comes up on this list. I tried it and I was un-impressed. >> Instead today my favorite client-side stack is based on these: >> >> - jquery.js >> - sugar.js >> - ractive.js >> - semantic-ui (css & js) >> >> Have you tried sugar, ractive, and semantic-ui? What is your opinion? >> >> Massimo >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Resources: >> - http://web2py.com >> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "web2py-users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > Resources: > - http://web2py.com > - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) > - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) > - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web2py-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [web2py] Brainstorming
For UI i recommend Qooxdoo. Qooxdoo make us no need to write HTML and CSS , for 3 years already . We even forget what HTML and CSS looks like its javascript is so clean and truly object oriented . UI Widgets are professionally designed , we don't even need a graphic designer in our team. Integration with web2py is very easy too , but we write whole view logic in qooxdoo and server side data by doing ajax request, to JsonRPC. It is complete, we only need specialized JSLibs like D3 and JQPlot , all other needs are provided by qooxdoo (From UI to AJAX LongPoll , JsonRPC, Databinding). On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Massimo Di Pierro < massimo.dipie...@gmail.com> wrote: > Often Angular comes up on this list. I tried it and I was un-impressed. > Instead today my favorite client-side stack is based on these: > > - jquery.js > - sugar.js > - ractive.js > - semantic-ui (css & js) > > Have you tried sugar, ractive, and semantic-ui? What is your opinion? > > Massimo > > > > > -- > Resources: > - http://web2py.com > - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) > - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) > - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web2py-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[web2py] Brainstorming
Often Angular comes up on this list. I tried it and I was un-impressed. Instead today my favorite client-side stack is based on these: - jquery.js - sugar.js - ractive.js - semantic-ui (css & js) Have you tried sugar, ractive, and semantic-ui? What is your opinion? Massimo -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
