[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
We dont have such an example. As I said, what tends to happen after awhile, is that a new separate module emearges, just for dealing with treegrid on the back-end. All handlers for even the simplest of use-cases, are then refactored into using this module, in order to avoid code-duplications. This is te professional way of coding. At the same time this means that extracting some functions from this tightly-coupled arrangement becomes anywhere from difficult to impossible, and all disjointed use-cases tend to disappear. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
The explenation I gave shoul make it trivial to write a simple example - it boils everytings down to a few urls that return an xml. Writing such controller-actions in web2py is trivial to do with the aid of the web2py documentation - you may even be able to find examples. As for the xml formatting, again, it's in the documentation of treegrid itself - there may even be examples there also. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Thank you, Arnon, for your cooperation. Ashraf -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Hmmm, our code is proprietary... I'll see what I can do. Basically, you load-up treegrid in the layout.html like any other javascript library (after putting it in the static folder of the app), and from then it works via ajax with jquery. You write a controller-action in web2py that you talk to with that ajax-call, and in it you provide a formatted xml in the response. The xml defines the structure/schema of the data (which columns you have), as well as configuration of the treegrid for that particular use-case (turning features on and off, defining tree-groupings, etc). You provide the data itself in a different xml, as a response to data-queries from treegrid. You also need another controller-action for the save operation, which receives an xml with the changes, and should parse it and store the changes in the database. These are the very basics, obliviously for a larger project like ours, you would end-up having a dedicated module to deal with treegrid interactions, and use it's methods in the controller-actions. Unfortunately, we are not in liberty to share that code... :/ I'll check if we can churn-out some example code, though... Treegrid itself has a 30 day trial also (with a watermark) so you can download and try it out. There are also many examples on the EJS website, that you can download ant try-out (in addition to the online examples). In general, though, it's not too much different from any other client-side widget - the ajax interaction model is basically the same. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Dear Arnon, I appreciate your help. I am asking for small one-table example, if your company permits. Regards, Ashraf -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
I use it as data manager of a research institution to manage several bibliometric databases. The one I am building at the moment (busy importing raw data for the past three months) contains information about more than 43 million pubications. One of the tables (many to many cross references) has more than 3000 million records. Web2py provides the user interface to this data for researchers as well as for database assistants who work on cleaning the data. I have in the past used web2py for some other projects too. Regards Johann. On 13 August 2013 05:14, Jason (spot) Brower encomp...@gmail.com wrote: When ever you need a spreadsheet that is accessed by many people during the day. Then you need an app. Especially if it's internal network. Like an intranet. Web2py does that just fine. And most of the time, if you try to solve everything with a spreadsheet it's like making a robot act like a human. Your wasting your time when you could build something special for the job. You need to look at the information your trying to store, look at the outcome you want to see in the end, and then calculate the stuff in the middle. Model, View, Controller. (dance) :P BR, Jason On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Tim Michelsen timmichel...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: Hello, very intersting web2py makes it really easy to build little utility apps to replace spreadsheets and access databases. Could you give an exmaple in which workflow this is used? Any I would be interested in learning about your development appraoch. Especially when replacing the monstrous spreadsheets, it can get difficult as everyone is so used to them so that it's hard to convince them to use something else. Even if they know that these are buggy. Seriously, do you have a certain UI? Like wizards, table grids? Thanks in advance, Timmie -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself, my lips will praise you. (Psalm 63:3) -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
We at our company have been using web2py for almost 4 years now. We use it as a basis for a wide-spectrum management system for our entire business, as an intranet web-app. We started by implementing a bidding process (generating budget-proposals, and such) as a substitution for monstrous spreadsheets. Granted, that is a very non-trivial accomplishment, and has little to do with the back-end web-framework. The most difficult aspects of such a system, are usually in the front-end, as it needs to do a lot of non-trivial things client-side, while still retaining the spreadsheet benefits. For this, we decided to build on-top of an existing front-end framework. After some research, we landed on a proprietary solution called EJS TreeGrid: http://www.treegrid.com/treegrid/www/ For what it gave us, it paid for itself about a thousand times over... We chose it mainly for the solidness and flexibility of the API, and the quality and breadth of the documentation, as well as it's feature support. I can talk for days about it, but this would be vastly OT here. Suffice it to say, you need something like this if you are serious about replacing a monstrous spreadsheet process. Things like being able to flexibly define trees and/or grids with pivot-tables, a built-in undo/redo, pagination, defining callbacks for anything, etc. We also use it as a replacement for MS-Project, as it has full-support for Gantt-charts, resource-utilization-graphs, as well as run-charts for scheduling. We are currently experiencing performance issues, but profiling shows that the database is the bottleneck, as noted here. So, it really isn't a question of the back-end web-framework when it comes to such considerations - other factors matter much more. That said, in order to be able to focus on the other important things, you need a web-framework that would require the least amount of effort on your behalf, and in that web2py excels. You want a framework that would get out of your way when implementing front-ends, and help you out as much as possible when defining your data-schema, with little-to-no restrictions. Granted, web2py has a lot of focus on the simple things, like SQLFORMs and such simplistic-automation, but it doesn't mean you have to use them (we rarely do), as once things get a little less trivial, the restricted-nature of such things starts to show. So, to conclude, use what you *need*, not *necessarily* what *exist *in the framework - whatever it may be - and try to properly situate where considerations should focus for each need - some may not be the web-framework (at least not directly). -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
web2py excels your so punny! :-D On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Arnon Marcus a.m.mar...@gmail.com wrote: We at our company have been using web2py for almost 4 years now. We use it as a basis for a wide-spectrum management system for our entire business, as an intranet web-app. We started by implementing a bidding process (generating budget-proposals, and such) as a substitution for monstrous spreadsheets. Granted, that is a very non-trivial accomplishment, and has little to do with the back-end web-framework. The most difficult aspects of such a system, are usually in the front-end, as it needs to do a lot of non-trivial things client-side, while still retaining the spreadsheet benefits. For this, we decided to build on-top of an existing front-end framework. After some research, we landed on a proprietary solution called EJS TreeGrid: http://www.treegrid.com/treegrid/www/ For what it gave us, it paid for itself about a thousand times over... We chose it mainly for the solidness and flexibility of the API, and the quality and breadth of the documentation, as well as it's feature support. I can talk for days about it, but this would be vastly OT here. Suffice it to say, you need something like this if you are serious about replacing a monstrous spreadsheet process. Things like being able to flexibly define trees and/or grids with pivot-tables, a built-in undo/redo, pagination, defining callbacks for anything, etc. We also use it as a replacement for MS-Project, as it has full-support for Gantt-charts, resource-utilization-graphs, as well as run-charts for scheduling. We are currently experiencing performance issues, but profiling shows that the database is the bottleneck, as noted here. So, it really isn't a question of the back-end web-framework when it comes to such considerations - other factors matter much more. That said, in order to be able to focus on the other important things, you need a web-framework that would require the least amount of effort on your behalf, and in that web2py excels. You want a framework that would get out of your way when implementing front-ends, and help you out as much as possible when defining your data-schema, with little-to-no restrictions. Granted, web2py has a lot of focus on the simple things, like SQLFORMs and such simplistic-automation, but it doesn't mean you have to use them (we rarely do), as once things get a little less trivial, the restricted-nature of such things starts to show. So, to conclude, use what you *need*, not *necessarily* what *exist *in the framework - whatever it may be - and try to properly situate where considerations should focus for each need - some may not be the web-framework (at least not directly). -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Not sure what you're asking here but I did not write an app to replace Excel, but apps to replace specific Excel spreadsheets that were developed to track business-related data that an off-the-shelf product couldn't handle or was overkill for our needs. On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Tim Michelsen timmichel...@gmx-topmail.dewrote: Hello, very intersting web2py makes it really easy to build little utility apps to replace spreadsheets and access databases. Could you give an exmaple in which workflow this is used? Any I would be interested in learning about your development appraoch. Especially when replacing the monstrous spreadsheets, it can get difficult as everyone is so used to them so that it's hard to convince them to use something else. Even if they know that these are buggy. Seriously, do you have a certain UI? Like wizards, table grids? Thanks in advance, Timmie -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/web2py/obzfYUHKhF4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
I've brought web2py with me, into 2 projects. One is a Scada platform (a web interface for controlling devices, like air conditions). I pushed for it, because I was a long time fan, but my biggest selling point was the easy migrations (we needed to install and upgrade the system on many computers, and knowing you can just drop the files, and it'll probably handle the migrations for you, was a big plus), and being python, that the company already used for some projects. At the time, django didn't fully finish working on it's migrations. I don't know what's the status now, but from what I gather, they know what they do now. Now, I'm working with web2py on a project that has to do with advertising (sorry, I can't tell you more at the moment). The main selling point here were, my familiarity with the frameworks in and outs. Also the great community, and the ability move into, and from GAE if needed, as we are still not sure we should use it (long story short - it's awsone, but costly). Both these projects are big, in the sense that they serve lots of clients. On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:06:45 PM UTC+3, alastor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Web2py users! I heard a lot about web2py. I spent some time to test it, and I loved what I have seen. But compared to Django, web2py seems to be used only for personal websites, or small apps. Do you know if there are people or companies using web2py to build professionnal applications? If you have already tried Web2py, would you use it professionnaly? why? Thank you! -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
I also like web2py because it's small enough I can contribute and big enough it makes a difference when I do. :) BR, Jason On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:47 PM, guruyaya guruy...@gmail.com wrote: I've brought web2py with me, into 2 projects. One is a Scada platform (a web interface for controlling devices, like air conditions). I pushed for it, because I was a long time fan, but my biggest selling point was the easy migrations (we needed to install and upgrade the system on many computers, and knowing you can just drop the files, and it'll probably handle the migrations for you, was a big plus), and being python, that the company already used for some projects. At the time, django didn't fully finish working on it's migrations. I don't know what's the status now, but from what I gather, they know what they do now. Now, I'm working with web2py on a project that has to do with advertising (sorry, I can't tell you more at the moment). The main selling point here were, my familiarity with the frameworks in and outs. Also the great community, and the ability move into, and from GAE if needed, as we are still not sure we should use it (long story short - it's awsone, but costly). Both these projects are big, in the sense that they serve lots of clients. On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:06:45 PM UTC+3, alastor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Web2py users! I heard a lot about web2py. I spent some time to test it, and I loved what I have seen. But compared to Django, web2py seems to be used only for personal websites, or small apps. Do you know if there are people or companies using web2py to build professionnal applications? If you have already tried Web2py, would you use it professionnaly? why? Thank you! -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Hi Arnon Marcus: Is it possible to write a small web2py example app using EJS TreeGrid? Regards, Ashraf Mansour -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
I have some web2py apps used internally by a Fortune 500 company, and I know there are many similar cases. Sahana Edenhttp://demo.eden.sahanafoundation.org/eden/is an example of a public project that is not a small app. Certainly, though, Django has a larger community and ecosystem. This is partly due to the fact that it came several years earlier (I believe shortly after Rails first appeared) and was created within a commercial context (so had instant commercial credibility). web2py also does a few things outside the norm for a Python framework so hasn't received a lot of love within the wider Python community. Nevertheless, InfoWorld rated web2py best among six Python frameworks (including Django) and awarded it a 2011 Bossie Award for open source application development software as well as a 2012 Technology of the Year Award. Although the web2py community is smaller, it is known for being very active, friendly, and helpful. The development process is also fairly agile and informal, so if you are interested, you are probably much more likely to be able to influence and contribute to the development of the framework than you would be with something like Django (have a good idea -- send Massimo a patch, and you'll probably see it in trunk within a day or two). Anthony On Monday, August 12, 2013 2:06:45 PM UTC-4, alastor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Web2py users! I heard a lot about web2py. I spent some time to test it, and I loved what I have seen. But compared to Django, web2py seems to be used only for personal websites, or small apps. Do you know if there are people or companies using web2py to build professionnal applications? If you have already tried Web2py, would you use it professionnaly? why? Thank you! -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Yes, I use it for all sorts of little applications for our mid-size manufacturing organization. We have a big ERP system but it can't handle lots of the things that make us different. web2py makes it really easy to build little utility apps to replace spreadsheets and access databases. Because our manufacturing is so different than everyone else in the world we've written our own apps to capture all the data and then feed it back to the ERP system. In the process of replacing all of our TurboGears apps with web2py apps. -Jim On Monday, August 12, 2013 1:06:45 PM UTC-5, alastor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Web2py users! I heard a lot about web2py. I spent some time to test it, and I loved what I have seen. But compared to Django, web2py seems to be used only for personal websites, or small apps. Do you know if there are people or companies using web2py to build professionnal applications? If you have already tried Web2py, would you use it professionnaly? why? Thank you! -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
I develop as much as I can in web2py. Scalability has a lot more to do with architecture and database design than the framework. If you are developing an MVP, you never want to think about scalability in the first place. Develop quickly, test the main features, pivot (if needed), and then grow or try something new .. On Monday, August 12, 2013 1:06:45 PM UTC-5, alastor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Web2py users! I heard a lot about web2py. I spent some time to test it, and I loved what I have seen. But compared to Django, web2py seems to be used only for personal websites, or small apps. Do you know if there are people or companies using web2py to build professionnal applications? If you have already tried Web2py, would you use it professionnaly? why? Thank you! -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
Hello, very intersting web2py makes it really easy to build little utility apps to replace spreadsheets and access databases. Could you give an exmaple in which workflow this is used? Any I would be interested in learning about your development appraoch. Especially when replacing the monstrous spreadsheets, it can get difficult as everyone is so used to them so that it's hard to convince them to use something else. Even if they know that these are buggy. Seriously, do you have a certain UI? Like wizards, table grids? Thanks in advance, Timmie -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [web2py] Re: Do you use web2py professionally?
When ever you need a spreadsheet that is accessed by many people during the day. Then you need an app. Especially if it's internal network. Like an intranet. Web2py does that just fine. And most of the time, if you try to solve everything with a spreadsheet it's like making a robot act like a human. Your wasting your time when you could build something special for the job. You need to look at the information your trying to store, look at the outcome you want to see in the end, and then calculate the stuff in the middle. Model, View, Controller. (dance) :P BR, Jason On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Tim Michelsen timmichel...@gmx-topmail.dewrote: Hello, very intersting web2py makes it really easy to build little utility apps to replace spreadsheets and access databases. Could you give an exmaple in which workflow this is used? Any I would be interested in learning about your development appraoch. Especially when replacing the monstrous spreadsheets, it can get difficult as everyone is so used to them so that it's hard to convince them to use something else. Even if they know that these are buggy. Seriously, do you have a certain UI? Like wizards, table grids? Thanks in advance, Timmie -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups web2py-users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
