[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[blye]

Looking forward to following it.


On Monday, 7 May 2012 18:43:09 UTC+2, Alan Etkin wrote:
>
> Since my e-learning customer decided to build his own Moodle application 
> for his teaching needs, and therefore I had that free time to think of 
> something else, I was looking for a web2py tool to provide an enhanced 
> alternative, pluggable, easily maintainable, Pythonic tool for newtworked 
> educational software. So I created an open source project, 
> Pyodel, 
> that already has a working application with some functionality, although it 
> is in a very early development stage. 
>
> The project aims to produce a set of e-learning tools for being used as 
> plugin with other web2py apps (such as the current web2py CMS projects) or 
> as a single application (sort of a simple online school integrated system). 
> If enybody wants to be added to it as commiter, please add proposals or any 
> design issues to the project's issues 
> list

[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[spametki]

El , blye  escribió:
Thank you for this very interesting projectIn my thoughts on web2py for  
ed.

I have a problem of atomicity.(sic)
By this I mean :
Take a Multiple choice set of 10 questions. All models I have seen (so  
far) essentially store one question per database table row. OK for very  
small project.

But for large project Very large and unwieldy table.
I am thinking of holding let us say the ten multiple choice questions (  
their details etc ) in One field in a row.( Maybe a Blob or a ref to a  
pickle).

So a Set of questions ( One Exercise of many is One row of table)



My design challenge. Allow Input into forms as normal. On submit, store  
input data temporarily without using table.
after Input loop ( eg 10 questions) , collate all Input data into Blob or  
Pickle.

Store this as entry ( or reference ) into relevant field in row.
Then it needs an equivalent unpack so that the questions can be restored  
and presented through the view. as if a normal table and rows.



This would make a Set the basic atom instead of the question.Much easier  
down the line, student performance records etc. Scaleability.

I dont know if this is clear ;-)
It is above my web2py skills although I am experimenting.
Thank you for your work. I will add to project's issues list.


Thanks blye. I am not sure I will take this approach for storing exam data.  
Here is why:
Suppose you want to search text trough it or build queries based in string  
fields. Blobbing/pickling it in multiple record units would complicate the  
simple database search feature provided by DAL with table inspection  
algorithms (with the corresponding server performance issues). Another  
concern of using it is that Pyodel questions are meant to be not just  
simple statements, but markmin documents too, so there is also the  
capability of carrying question related stuff like references, paragraphs,  
media and other useful information for the exam.


However, we could think of adding simple one record question-answer sets  
for small and quick tests and have one controller interface handle its data  
in an exam type basis. Even we could use a quiz syntax for defining them in  
one text field:


q-1: What happens when you activate the mechanism?
a-1: The cat in the box should be killed
a-2: The cat in the box should not be killed
a-3: Both
a-4: Nothing
c: a-4

q-2
...

Currently, I'm porting the app to a plugin structure, so it can be appended  
to any web2py application.

[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[blye]

Thank you for this very interesting project
In my thoughts on web2py for ed.
I have a problem of atomicity.(sic)
By this I mean :
Take a Multiple choice set of 10 questions. All models I have seen (so far) 
essentially store one question per database table row. OK for very small 
project.
But for large project Very large and unwieldy table.
I am thinking of holding let us say the ten multiple choice questions ( 
their details etc ) in One field in a row.( Maybe a Blob or a ref to a 
pickle).
So a Set of questions ( One Exercise of many is One row of table)

My design challenge. Allow Input into forms as normal. On submit, store 
input data temporarily without using table.
after Input loop  ( eg 10 questions) , collate all Input data into Blob or 
Pickle. 
Store this as entry ( or reference ) into relevant field in row.
Then it needs an equivalent unpack so that the questions can be restored 
and presented through the view. as if a normal table and rows.

This would make a Set the basic atom instead of the question.Much easier 
down the line, student performance records etc. Scaleability.
I dont know if this is clear ;-)
It is above my web2py skills although I am experimenting.
Thank you for your work. I will add to project's issues list.



On Monday, 7 May 2012 18:43:09 UTC+2, Alan Etkin wrote:
>
> Since my e-learning customer decided to build his own Moodle application 
> for his teaching needs, and therefore I had that free time to think of 
> something else, I was looking for a web2py tool to provide an enhanced 
> alternative, pluggable, easily maintainable, Pythonic tool for newtworked 
> educational software. So I created an open source project, 
> Pyodel, 
> that already has a working application with some functionality, although it 
> is in a very early development stage. 
>
> The project aims to produce a set of e-learning tools for being used as 
> plugin with other web2py apps (such as the current web2py CMS projects) or 
> as a single application (sort of a simple online school integrated system). 
> If enybody wants to be added to it as commiter, please add proposals or any 
> design issues to the project's issues 
> list

[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[Alec Taylor]

Nice project concept.

Contact me when you're a little further down the line and I'll create an 
analytics module for it with some nice AJAX graphs and charts

[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[Alan Etkin]

>
> Could you post some screenshots?


I have uploaded screenshots here:
http://code.google.com/p/pyodel/wiki/DevelopmentScreenshots

gradebook and insert student qualifications form are listed for 
implementation (no components available so far)

[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[Alan Etkin]

Sorry, no screenshots yet, I'll try to post them later.

Project tables (just a few of them):

-course (by some lecturer, start and end)
-work (student task)
-hourglass(timed exam)

Works and hourglasses (performed timed exams) are qualified by a qualified 
authority (teacher or manager)
Currently there is not such thing as a subject for a course (but I realize 
It is needed). So, a gradebook with a list of approved courses by subject 
is not possible yet (of course these are trivial issues)

Anyway, you have pointed me some project tasks that were not in the todo 
list

I could not translate what an insert grade form is yet, but I'll work on it 
too :)

Thanks for your feedback

El lunes, 7 de mayo de 2012 14:15:06 UTC-3, Massimo Di Pierro escribió:
>
> Could you post some screenshots? Something that would be useful to me 
> (perhaps you have something like this) is a plugin that provides a 
> gradebook with two interfaces: a spreadsheet like interface (perhaps using 
> web2py/gluon/contrib/spreadsheet) and a insert grade form which can be 
> embedded in other pages via ajax or iframe. 
>
> On Monday, 7 May 2012 11:43:09 UTC-5, Alan Etkin wrote:
>>
>> Since my e-learning customer decided to build his own Moodle application 
>> for his teaching needs, and therefore I had that free time to think of 
>> something else, I was looking for a web2py tool to provide an enhanced 
>> alternative, pluggable, easily maintainable, Pythonic tool for newtworked 
>> educational software. So I created an open source project, 
>> Pyodel, 
>> that already has a working application with some functionality, although it 
>> is in a very early development stage. 
>>
>> The project aims to produce a set of e-learning tools for being used as 
>> plugin with other web2py apps (such as the current web2py CMS projects) or 
>> as a single application (sort of a simple online school integrated system). 
>> If enybody wants to be added to it as commiter, please add proposals or any 
>> design issues to the project's issues 
>> list
>
>

[web2py] Re: Pyodel: a web2pyable e-learning tool

[Massimo Di Pierro]

Could you post some screenshots? Something that would be useful to me 
(perhaps you have something like this) is a plugin that provides a 
gradebook with two interfaces: a spreadsheet like interface (perhaps using 
web2py/gluon/contrib/spreadsheet) and a insert grade form which can be 
embedded in other pages via ajax or iframe. 

On Monday, 7 May 2012 11:43:09 UTC-5, Alan Etkin wrote:
>
> Since my e-learning customer decided to build his own Moodle application 
> for his teaching needs, and therefore I had that free time to think of 
> something else, I was looking for a web2py tool to provide an enhanced 
> alternative, pluggable, easily maintainable, Pythonic tool for newtworked 
> educational software. So I created an open source project, 
> Pyodel, 
> that already has a working application with some functionality, although it 
> is in a very early development stage. 
>
> The project aims to produce a set of e-learning tools for being used as 
> plugin with other web2py apps (such as the current web2py CMS projects) or 
> as a single application (sort of a simple online school integrated system). 
> If enybody wants to be added to it as commiter, please add proposals or any 
> design issues to the project's issues 
> list