Re: [web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
What about "web2py - Get it done"? -- Vinicius Assef. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Ross Peoples wrote: > In the spirit of not messing around with "half baked, unstable, > hard to maintain, constantly breaking backward compatibility, glued > frameworks": > web2py - For serious developers > web2py - Stop playing, start producing > web2py - Upgrade your development > web2py - Development for the professionals > Thoughts on any of those taglines?
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
here's a thought...
enterprise --> I think we had the word first, in French, then we
loaned it out ;) LOL
In English enterprise, same word but doesn't conjugate the same
because the monks made verbs of the 3rd group impossible to pronounce
for non-native speakers. English is "undertake", etymologically its
same as French, but lexically native/germanic:
entre et prendre, to take, "in between" ('entre' has it own story), or
take under (undertake), german Unternehmen (unter [EN=under],nehmen
[EN=take])
enterprise, as an action verb has many meanings and is found popular
idioms, but interestingly enough he or she who undertakes is an
undertaker where in French (least in my corner of the world),
'entrepreneur' is someone who builds houses (or housing projects)
because a general contractor literally translated is an anglicism...
the point? yup, i think there is one. web2py was initiated, developed
and is maintained largely by someone of Italian descent (because now
he sounds like a native English speaker in his videos ;) ), used by
folks in all time zones, in a variety of languages and has i18n built-
in... but the code is understood by all (well, sometimes sometimes I
understand ;) ). Web2py is cross-boarder where projects are undertaken
on probably all continents where the targey audience is as varied as
there are Starbuck coffee shops in Montreal... Massimo tagged
'Enterprise' thinking 'social enterprise' (if I remember the previous
thread - although i retain the right to be absolutely wrong on that),
perhaps the cultural "image" of the word?.
Would it be interesting to agree on a set of key ideas (like those
that seem to resurface the most like "rapid", "development", "ninja",
"banana" & yes, "enterprise" - would be a shame to loose the word
after so many discussions ;) ) and take an enterprise class
translator's approach and come up with a tag per group/community
(linguistically speaking, and perhaps not geographically speaking -
I.e. France and French canada may both have French, but the common
folk may not necessarily understand each other, let alone find one
another all that funny [I.e Homer Simpson in its original franco-
canadian version makes me howl every time i see an episode, but my
friend and neighbour born and raised in a suburb of Paris, is never,
ever amused])...
For example, I like the word enterprise, but I like it in English, not
in French ('entreprise' makes me think of "small, medium and large
business", which is way to close to our dreaded taxation ministry for
my own comfort and amusement), so I would probably look for something
that has the word 'enterprise' but in the form of a verb, like:
"entreprenez-vous avec web2py!"
which probably loosely translates to "web2py, undertake!" - but
probably doesn't sound all that great in English...
alright, back to work for me! :(
Mart :)
On May 11, 9:47 am, Ross Peoples wrote:
> In the spirit of not messing around with "half baked, unstable,
> hard to maintain, constantly breaking backward compatibility, glued
> frameworks":
>
> web2py - For serious developers
> web2py - Stop playing, start producing
> web2py - Upgrade your development
> web2py - Development for the professionals
>
> Thoughts on any of those taglines?
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
I thought we were leaning towards "Rapid development that scales"?
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
In the spirit of not messing around with "half baked, unstable, hard to maintain, constantly breaking backward compatibility, glued frameworks": web2py - For serious developers web2py - Stop playing, start producing web2py - Upgrade your development web2py - Development for the professionals Thoughts on any of those taglines?
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
Mart has a valid point. We need a tagline that differentiates us from the many toys out there. Where by toy I mean half baked, unstable, hard to maintain, constantly breaking backward compatibility, glued frameworks. On May 11, 12:30 am, mart wrote: > that's hilarious! I think it may be synonymous to "enterprise" > > as a note (just because my blood/caffeine ratio hit the roof)... @ my > previous employment, my group was just an acquisition... no,no,no,... > we were THE acquisition that kept loosing money, tones of money... > (I.e. 2 years in, and IT would still ask... who? what group?... never > heard of it! (no lie)). any way at some point, someone well paid had a > flash of genius!: "hey, let's add 'ES' (Enterprise Suite) at the end > of of the product!"... well... a year later, our business unit name > was actually mentioned at one of those "all hands" we had every now > and then... and a little later after that, the product was selling > like crazy, actually turning a huge profit! > > Anyways, "Enterprise" doesn't mean anything, unless 1) someone thinks > it should and 2) someone else believes it. > > Mart > > On May 11, 12:09 am, Jason Brower wrote: > > > > > > > > > :) Let the customer decide what it means. That's the beauty of it. :P > > > On 05/10/2011 07:57 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > > > I love this: > > > > web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > > > whatever it means. > > > > On May 10, 11:55 am, Marek Mollin wrote: > > >> I apologise for lack of study. > > > >> Any way I remembered it bugged me while ago... and I saw the > > >> on web2py homepage since I lately returned to using it... > > > >> web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > > >> anyway its good this has changes since as said before in my world > > >> 'enterprise' = legacy > > > >> M, > > > >> On 10 Maj, 16:17, villas wrote: > > > >>> Hi Marek > > >>> We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what > > >>> might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas > > >>> never came up LOL. See link here: > > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... > > >>> Regards, D
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
LOL so how about "web2py: rapid development platform for your enterprise"? On May 11, 12:30 am, mart wrote: > that's hilarious! I think it may be synonymous to "enterprise" > > as a note (just because my blood/caffeine ratio hit the roof)... @ my > previous employment, my group was just an acquisition... no,no,no,... > we were THE acquisition that kept loosing money, tones of money... > (I.e. 2 years in, and IT would still ask... who? what group?... never > heard of it! (no lie)). any way at some point, someone well paid had a > flash of genius!: "hey, let's add 'ES' (Enterprise Suite) at the end > of of the product!"... well... a year later, our business unit name > was actually mentioned at one of those "all hands" we had every now > and then... and a little later after that, the product was selling > like crazy, actually turning a huge profit! > > Anyways, "Enterprise" doesn't mean anything, unless 1) someone thinks > it should and 2) someone else believes it. > > Mart > > On May 11, 12:09 am, Jason Brower wrote: > > > > > > > > > :) Let the customer decide what it means. That's the beauty of it. :P > > > On 05/10/2011 07:57 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > > > I love this: > > > > web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > > > whatever it means. > > > > On May 10, 11:55 am, Marek Mollin wrote: > > >> I apologise for lack of study. > > > >> Any way I remembered it bugged me while ago... and I saw the > > >> on web2py homepage since I lately returned to using it... > > > >> web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > > >> anyway its good this has changes since as said before in my world > > >> 'enterprise' = legacy > > > >> M, > > > >> On 10 Maj, 16:17, villas wrote: > > > >>> Hi Marek > > >>> We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what > > >>> might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas > > >>> never came up LOL. See link here: > > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... > > >>> Regards, D
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
LOL On May 11, 1:30 am, mart wrote: > that's hilarious! I think it may be synonymous to "enterprise" > > as a note (just because my blood/caffeine ratio hit the roof)... @ my > previous employment, my group was just an acquisition... no,no,no,... > we were THE acquisition that kept loosing money, tones of money... > (I.e. 2 years in, and IT would still ask... who? what group?... never > heard of it! (no lie)). any way at some point, someone well paid had a > flash of genius!: "hey, let's add 'ES' (Enterprise Suite) at the end > of of the product!"... well... a year later, our business unit name > was actually mentioned at one of those "all hands" we had every now > and then... and a little later after that, the product was selling > like crazy, actually turning a huge profit! > > Anyways, "Enterprise" doesn't mean anything, unless 1) someone thinks > it should and 2) someone else believes it. > > Mart
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
that's hilarious! I think it may be synonymous to "enterprise" as a note (just because my blood/caffeine ratio hit the roof)... @ my previous employment, my group was just an acquisition... no,no,no,... we were THE acquisition that kept loosing money, tones of money... (I.e. 2 years in, and IT would still ask... who? what group?... never heard of it! (no lie)). any way at some point, someone well paid had a flash of genius!: "hey, let's add 'ES' (Enterprise Suite) at the end of of the product!"... well... a year later, our business unit name was actually mentioned at one of those "all hands" we had every now and then... and a little later after that, the product was selling like crazy, actually turning a huge profit! Anyways, "Enterprise" doesn't mean anything, unless 1) someone thinks it should and 2) someone else believes it. Mart On May 11, 12:09 am, Jason Brower wrote: > :) Let the customer decide what it means. That's the beauty of it. :P > > On 05/10/2011 07:57 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > > > > > > > > I love this: > > > web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > > whatever it means. > > > On May 10, 11:55 am, Marek Mollin wrote: > >> I apologise for lack of study. > > >> Any way I remembered it bugged me while ago... and I saw the > >> on web2py homepage since I lately returned to using it... > > >> web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > >> anyway its good this has changes since as said before in my world > >> 'enterprise' = legacy > > >> M, > > >> On 10 Maj, 16:17, villas wrote: > > >>> Hi Marek > >>> We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what > >>> might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas > >>> never came up LOL. See link here: > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... > >>> Regards, D
Re: [web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
:) Let the customer decide what it means. That's the beauty of it. :P On 05/10/2011 07:57 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: I love this: web2py - ninja programming went bananas! whatever it means. On May 10, 11:55 am, Marek Mollin wrote: I apologise for lack of study. Any way I remembered it bugged me while ago... and I saw the on web2py homepage since I lately returned to using it... web2py - ninja programming went bananas! anyway its good this has changes since as said before in my world 'enterprise' = legacy M, On 10 Maj, 16:17, villas wrote: Hi Marek We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas never came up LOL. See link here: http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... Regards, D
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
I love this: web2py - ninja programming went bananas! whatever it means. On May 10, 11:55 am, Marek Mollin wrote: > I apologise for lack of study. > > Any way I remembered it bugged me while ago... and I saw the > on web2py homepage since I lately returned to using it... > > web2py - ninja programming went bananas! > > anyway its good this has changes since as said before in my world > 'enterprise' = legacy > > M, > > On 10 Maj, 16:17, villas wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Marek > > > We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what > > might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas > > never came up LOL. See link here: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... > > > Regards, D
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
I apologise for lack of study. Any way I remembered it bugged me while ago... and I saw the on web2py homepage since I lately returned to using it... web2py - ninja programming went bananas! anyway its good this has changes since as said before in my world 'enterprise' = legacy M, On 10 Maj, 16:17, villas wrote: > Hi Marek > > We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what > might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas > never came up LOL. See link here: > > http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... > > Regards, D
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
Oh, i want to contribute! What do you think: Web2py on GAE = Python in the cloud with Diamonds :) On 10 mayo, 16:17, villas wrote: > Hi Marek > > We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what > might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas > never came up LOL. See link here: > > http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38ea... > > Regards, D
[web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
Hi Marek We had a long discussion about dropping the word 'enterprise' and what might be used instead. We had a lot of thoughts but Ninja and Bananas never came up LOL. See link here: http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/5d4b6e38eac2260f/93f23d12336c1c14 Regards, D
Re: [web2py] Re: Why continue to use this obscure phrase 'enterprise'?
On Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:56:03 AM UTC-4, Tom A wrote:
>
> There are still a few references to 'Enterprise' around the place - e.g.
> there's a vertical text image in the online book on the top left of each
> page:
>
> http://www.web2py.com/book/default/toc
>
That vertical image also appears on the AlterEgo and Appliances pages (same
layout as the book). It also appears in the following places:
- *The default.py controller of the 'examples' app:*
response.title = T('web2py Enterprise Web Framework')
response.keywords = T('web2py, Python, Enterprise Web Framework')
response.description = T('web2py Enterprise Web Framework')
So, when you visit web2py.com in most browsers, the title on the browser tab
is "web2py Enterprise Web Framework". That's also the title of Google search
results for pages on web2py.com.
- *The index.html view of the 'admin' app (and all the 'admin' app
language files):*
web2py™ {{=T('Enterprise Web Framework')}}
- *gluon/widget.py line 46:*
ProgramName = 'web2py Enterprise Web Framework'
That puts it on the startup splash screen as well as the command-line
startup intro.
- *web2py/ABOUT*
web2py is an open source full-stack Enterprise Framework for agile
development of secure database-driven web-based applications, written and
programmable in Python.
- *scripts/web2py.ubuntu.sh line 23*
Anthony
