[webkit-dev] possible repository corruption on the remote side

2009-12-12 Thread Julián de Navascués
I'm trying to git clone webkit but I cant due to repository corruption on
the remote side. I have the followed the steps in
http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/UsingGitWithWebKit . Any suggestions?

Thank you!

[jul...@xx ~]$git clone git://git.webkit.org/WebKit.git WebKit
Initialized empty Git repository in /home/julian/WebKit/.git/
remote: error: failed to unpack compressed delta at offset 721420248 from
./objects/pack/pack-5e8ffe535a2c4b156009904da09e511778104665.pack
remote: error: failed to read object
1ffe2c60ebbada5d57ec6f494dbd84a19d679206 at offset 721420244 from
./objects/pack/pack-5e8ffe535a2c4b156009904da09e511778104665.pack
remote: fatal: object 1ffe2c60ebbada5d57ec6f494dbd84a19d679206 is corrupted
remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side.
fatal: early EOF
fatal: index-pack failed
[jul...@xx ~]$ git --version
git version 1.6.5.2
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Re: [webkit-dev] possible repository corruption on the remote side

2009-12-12 Thread Michelangelo De Simone

Il giorno 12/dic/2009, alle ore 13.55, Julián de Navascués ha scritto:

 remote: error: failed to unpack compressed delta at offset 721420248 from 
 ./objects/pack/pack-5e8ffe535a2c4b156009904da09e511778104665.pack

Confirmed, here too.

Bye,
Michelangelo




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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Mike Emmel
The work was done for my employer for their own reasons. I both
understand why they chose V8 and agree with the decision.   I'm not
comfortable giving a detailed reason for the decision and I think
thats understandable. A clearer explanation would require a more
formal response and its tied to our products so hopefully you can
understand its not something I want to get into. As a engineer
hopefully you can understand my desire to not go down this path lets
leave it to the marketing team.

However given the nature of the submission regardless of why it was
made its also obvious that getting it integrated into the trunk is far
better than leaving it as a fork. My focus is simply to do my best to
get the code ready for submission and it does contain controversial
decisions.

Its been a long time since I posted but somehow I seem to manage to
get myself on the wrong side of many issues. I think I'm cursed,
chance would not give such consistent results :)

Why this project was done is not the top issue and that should be
obvious if you read the bug report. I've got other problems to deal
with :)

I honestly did not expect this response equating this submission to
other work that needs to be done but given my track record its not
surprising that I'm surprised it must be part of my curse :)

I don't get the logic behind it. I think the assumption is that if I
was not working on this JS engine submission then I would have been
working on other areas that are considered more important however this
is not true. The basic premise is false as I would actually have been
working on something else. I assure you that I don't have the luxury
of devoting my time to the project based on its most pressing problems
if I did, I would of course try and help.



On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Holger Freyther ze...@selfish.org wrote:
 On Friday 11 December 2009 23:55:06 Eric Seidel wrote:
 I don't see a patch on the bug, but I look forward to seeing it when
 it's posted.

 I'm surprised that having switch-able JS engines would bubble up on
 the list of things to do above things like passing the layout tests:
 http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/gtk/Skipped

 Dear Mike,

 is JavaScript execution really the dominating cost in your (page loading
 tests)? When I profile on ARM (not WebKit/GTK+ though) I see various other
 areas of improvement?

 holger
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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Adam Barth
I'm really surprised that other members of the community are
questioning your priorities.  You're free to work on whatever you
think is important.  That's the first principle of open source
software outlined in The Cathedral and the Bazaar:

http://catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s02.html

Adam


On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mike Emmel mike.em...@gmail.com wrote:
 The work was done for my employer for their own reasons. I both
 understand why they chose V8 and agree with the decision.   I'm not
 comfortable giving a detailed reason for the decision and I think
 thats understandable. A clearer explanation would require a more
 formal response and its tied to our products so hopefully you can
 understand its not something I want to get into. As a engineer
 hopefully you can understand my desire to not go down this path lets
 leave it to the marketing team.

 However given the nature of the submission regardless of why it was
 made its also obvious that getting it integrated into the trunk is far
 better than leaving it as a fork. My focus is simply to do my best to
 get the code ready for submission and it does contain controversial
 decisions.

 Its been a long time since I posted but somehow I seem to manage to
 get myself on the wrong side of many issues. I think I'm cursed,
 chance would not give such consistent results :)

 Why this project was done is not the top issue and that should be
 obvious if you read the bug report. I've got other problems to deal
 with :)

 I honestly did not expect this response equating this submission to
 other work that needs to be done but given my track record its not
 surprising that I'm surprised it must be part of my curse :)

 I don't get the logic behind it. I think the assumption is that if I
 was not working on this JS engine submission then I would have been
 working on other areas that are considered more important however this
 is not true. The basic premise is false as I would actually have been
 working on something else. I assure you that I don't have the luxury
 of devoting my time to the project based on its most pressing problems
 if I did, I would of course try and help.



 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Holger Freyther ze...@selfish.org wrote:
 On Friday 11 December 2009 23:55:06 Eric Seidel wrote:
 I don't see a patch on the bug, but I look forward to seeing it when
 it's posted.

 I'm surprised that having switch-able JS engines would bubble up on
 the list of things to do above things like passing the layout tests:
 http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/gtk/Skipped

 Dear Mike,

 is JavaScript execution really the dominating cost in your (page loading
 tests)? When I profile on ARM (not WebKit/GTK+ though) I see various other
 areas of improvement?

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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak


I think questioning someone's priorities in an open source project is  
generally not polite, unless there is some direct relationship between  
different tasks. For example, if someone introduce a new feature  
(let's say support for parts of the FooML language) and it had lots of  
bugs, it might be reasonable to ask them to fix some of the bugs  
before implementing more FooML features. But that doesn't seem to be  
the case here.


Ultimately, I think it's up to the Gtk port maintainers and the folks  
maintaining v8 bindings to decide whether they want to support and  
maintain this functionality, and to review the patch as they see fit.


Regards,
Maciej

On Dec 12, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Mike Emmel wrote:


The work was done for my employer for their own reasons. I both
understand why they chose V8 and agree with the decision.   I'm not
comfortable giving a detailed reason for the decision and I think
thats understandable. A clearer explanation would require a more
formal response and its tied to our products so hopefully you can
understand its not something I want to get into. As a engineer
hopefully you can understand my desire to not go down this path lets
leave it to the marketing team.

However given the nature of the submission regardless of why it was
made its also obvious that getting it integrated into the trunk is far
better than leaving it as a fork. My focus is simply to do my best to
get the code ready for submission and it does contain controversial
decisions.

Its been a long time since I posted but somehow I seem to manage to
get myself on the wrong side of many issues. I think I'm cursed,
chance would not give such consistent results :)

Why this project was done is not the top issue and that should be
obvious if you read the bug report. I've got other problems to deal
with :)

I honestly did not expect this response equating this submission to
other work that needs to be done but given my track record its not
surprising that I'm surprised it must be part of my curse :)

I don't get the logic behind it. I think the assumption is that if I
was not working on this JS engine submission then I would have been
working on other areas that are considered more important however this
is not true. The basic premise is false as I would actually have been
working on something else. I assure you that I don't have the luxury
of devoting my time to the project based on its most pressing problems
if I did, I would of course try and help.



On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Holger Freyther  
ze...@selfish.org wrote:

On Friday 11 December 2009 23:55:06 Eric Seidel wrote:

I don't see a patch on the bug, but I look forward to seeing it when
it's posted.

I'm surprised that having switch-able JS engines would bubble up on
the list of things to do above things like passing the layout tests:
http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/gtk/ 
Skipped


Dear Mike,

is JavaScript execution really the dominating cost in your (page  
loading
tests)? When I profile on ARM (not WebKit/GTK+ though) I see  
various other

areas of improvement?

holger
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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Holger Freyther
On Saturday 12 December 2009 22:42:34 Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
 I think questioning someone's priorities in an open source project is
 generally not polite, unless there is some direct relationship between
 different tasks. For example, if someone introduce a new feature
 (let's say support for parts of the FooML language) and it had lots of
 bugs, it might be reasonable to ask them to fix some of the bugs
 before implementing more FooML features. But that doesn't seem to be
 the case here.
 
 Ultimately, I think it's up to the Gtk port maintainers and the folks
 maintaining v8 bindings to decide whether they want to support and
 maintain this functionality, and to review the patch as they see fit.

Hello Mike, All,

I'm not questioning your priorities. I'm solely looking at this from a 
maintaining WebKit/GTK+ point of view. The problem with WebKit (or any big 
software project) is that we are not done when landing a fundamental new 
feature/configure option but it is really only the beginning.

The questions are around, who is running a buildbot with this configuration 
option, who will look at this buildbot, who will keep it building. In general 
it is better to have less options (as these could be actually checked prior to 
a release). So it is really not about me telling Mike what to do, but thinking 
about what is maintainable for WebKit/GTK+.

E.g. we have an experimental GLib Unicode implementation, and saving the 
storage size for ICU (12 mb when not statically linked) is a pretty good 
reason for some.

At the end of the day I feel responsible for the Gtk+ port and I would just 
like to know why it makes sense for us to maintain it.

regards
holger.
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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Mike Emmel
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Holger Freyther ze...@selfish.org wrote:
 On Saturday 12 December 2009 22:42:34 Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
 I think questioning someone's priorities in an open source project is
 generally not polite, unless there is some direct relationship between
 different tasks. For example, if someone introduce a new feature
 (let's say support for parts of the FooML language) and it had lots of
 bugs, it might be reasonable to ask them to fix some of the bugs
 before implementing more FooML features. But that doesn't seem to be
 the case here.

 Ultimately, I think it's up to the Gtk port maintainers and the folks
 maintaining v8 bindings to decide whether they want to support and
 maintain this functionality, and to review the patch as they see fit.

 Hello Mike, All,

 I'm not questioning your priorities. I'm solely looking at this from a
 maintaining WebKit/GTK+ point of view. The problem with WebKit (or any big
 software project) is that we are not done when landing a fundamental new
 feature/configure option but it is really only the beginning.

 The questions are around, who is running a buildbot with this configuration
 option, who will look at this buildbot, who will keep it building. In general
 it is better to have less options (as these could be actually checked prior to
 a release). So it is really not about me telling Mike what to do, but thinking
 about what is maintainable for WebKit/GTK+.


To be clear the dependency on Gtk itself is small. I'll push the code
into a git
repo somewhere and link to the bug on monday.
Now of course I had to seriously munge the makefiles but they already
suffer bit rot. You mention the new font system a refactoring
of the makefiles is probably needed for a host of reasons the changes needed
to compile V8 just expose this.  My point is a refactoring of the
makefiles to make the port easier
to maintain is probably a must before the V8 support could come in and
it would help
the overall Gtk project.

Of course given my track record I could also be the only one with that
opinion and everyone else is happy. If so then forget the offer :)

However I think we have overlapping areas of concern and if so
bringing some sanity back to the build will help everyone both in
making the official build feature set clear and allowing easy work on
optional or experimental features. The Linux kernel had similar issues
and resolved them.
I know that the v8 patch pushed things over the edge to a ridiculous
set of ifdefs.

Perhaps autoconf allows nested features or perhaps feature bundles are
the answer or meta config switches they set and unset a compatible
group of options. I don't know the right answer just that its probably
time to overhaul the build system a bit and I can help.


 E.g. we have an experimental GLib Unicode implementation, and saving the
 storage size for ICU (12 mb when not statically linked) is a pretty good
 reason for some.

 At the end of the day I feel responsible for the Gtk+ port and I would just
 like to know why it makes sense for us to maintain it.

 regards
        holger.
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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Peter Kasting
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike Emmel mike.em...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know the right answer just that its probably
 time to overhaul the build system a bit and I can help.


You are certainly welcome to look at the GYP system that the Chromium
project uses to create builds for multiple OSes, JS engines, etc.  It's
definitely been the best of a series of mechanisms we've used over the
project lifetime.

PK
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Re: [webkit-dev] Patch to use V8 engine with Gtk port

2009-12-12 Thread Xan Lopez
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Holger Freyther ze...@selfish.org wrote:
 On Saturday 12 December 2009 22:42:34 Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
 I think questioning someone's priorities in an open source project is
 generally not polite, unless there is some direct relationship between
 different tasks. For example, if someone introduce a new feature
 (let's say support for parts of the FooML language) and it had lots of
 bugs, it might be reasonable to ask them to fix some of the bugs
 before implementing more FooML features. But that doesn't seem to be
 the case here.

 Ultimately, I think it's up to the Gtk port maintainers and the folks
 maintaining v8 bindings to decide whether they want to support and
 maintain this functionality, and to review the patch as they see fit.

 Hello Mike, All,

 I'm not questioning your priorities. I'm solely looking at this from a
 maintaining WebKit/GTK+ point of view. The problem with WebKit (or any big
 software project) is that we are not done when landing a fundamental new
 feature/configure option but it is really only the beginning.

 The questions are around, who is running a buildbot with this configuration
 option, who will look at this buildbot, who will keep it building. In general
 it is better to have less options (as these could be actually checked prior to
 a release). So it is really not about me telling Mike what to do, but thinking
 about what is maintainable for WebKit/GTK+.

Hi all,

as one of the WebKitGTK+ maintainers I mostly agree with Holger here.
As long as you are willing to provide support for this feature of the
port, some sort of on-going testing, the patch itself is not overly
intrusive (in the bug you hint that there might be no other way to do
this than some big refactoring) and we manage to get it done without
pushing the build system beyond unmaintainability I have nothing in
principle with having this optional feature in.

I'll CC to the bug and follow its progress.

Xan


 E.g. we have an experimental GLib Unicode implementation, and saving the
 storage size for ICU (12 mb when not statically linked) is a pretty good
 reason for some.

 At the end of the day I feel responsible for the Gtk+ port and I would just
 like to know why it makes sense for us to maintain it.

 regards
        holger.
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