Re: Need Help

[Mark Ritchie]

On 22/Oct/2010, at 4:24 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> 5.4.3

More detailed information is here: http://www.wocommunity.org
Good luck!
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Re: Need Help

[Chuck Hill]

5.4.3


On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:21 PM, vaibhav srivastava wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> I am very new to webobject . Can anybody tell me what is the latest version 
> of webobject
> 
> Regards
> VS
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Need Help

[vaibhav srivastava]

Guys,

I am very new to webobject . Can anybody tell me what is the latest version
of webobject

Regards
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Johnny Miller]

Looks like Flash is getting the same treatment:

http://mashable.com/2010/10/22/macs-os-x-flash-playe/

More I think about it the more it makes sense.  Most people who buy OS X don't 
have a need for Java anymore and those of us who do shouldn't mind installing 
it ourselves.  Especially, if it means getting updates faster.  I think these 
moves could be part of a larger picture of trimming down the OS and pushing the 
HTML 5 standard.

my 2 cents,

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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Ken Anderson]

I fear I will not be able to make the June dates :(

On Oct 22, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> When school stops in the USA and the ROC (Rest Of Canada)? I was under the 
> impression that schools stops there later that in Quebec. Anyway, I will do a 
> survey for the dates.
> 
>> June is #1 for me!
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> 
>>> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
>>> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest starts on June 25. In summary : this 
>>> week-end will be full of fun. In fact, I'm quite amazed that we can get a 
>>> $139 rate for this time period.
>>> 
 September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
 
> June 24-25-26 is my vote
> 
> simon
> 
> 
> On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
>> 
>>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>>> vacation
>> 
>> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
>> 
>> - June 24-25-26
>> - August 19-20-21
>> - August 26-27-28
>> - September 09-10-11
>> 
>> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just 
>> don't come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to 
>> $379 (and we still manage to have 99% occupency).
>> 
>>> simon
>>> 
>>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
 Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
 of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give 
 awards to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of 
 community tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator 
 thing, so that we can know what people wants and to make sure it 
 happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense).
 
 About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
 overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
 making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
 it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our 
 currency is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper 
 too.
 
 Comments welcome :-)
 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-22, at 2:39 PM, David Avendasora wrote:

> June is #1 for me!

Definitely not for me if it conflicts with WWDC.

> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> 
>> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
>> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest starts on June 25. In summary : this 
>> week-end will be full of fun. In fact, I'm quite amazed that we can get a 
>> $139 rate for this time period.
>> 
>>> September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
>>> 
 June 24-25-26 is my vote
 
 simon
 
 
 On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> 
> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
> 
>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>> vacation
> 
> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
> 
> - June 24-25-26
> - August 19-20-21
> - August 26-27-28
> - September 09-10-11
> 
> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just 
> don't come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 
> (and we still manage to have 99% occupency).
> 
>> simon
>> 
>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
>>> of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give 
>>> awards to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of 
>>> community tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator 
>>> thing, so that we can know what people wants and to make sure it 
>>> happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense).
>>> 
>>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
>>> overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
>>> making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
>>> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our 
>>> currency is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper 
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> Comments welcome :-)
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> prob...@macti.ca
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Pascal Robert]

As usual, wikipedia have the answer :

In the United States, summer vacation lasts for almost 3 months. The dates vary 
depending on the location of the school district. Most schools take summer 
vacation from early to mid June to Labor Day or from late May to late August. 
School may start as early as late July or early August, often in the southern 
part of the country.

In Canada, the first day of summer vacation for public schools is the Thursday 
before the last Friday of June. This may vary in Quebec (re earlier due to 
provincial June 24 holiday). In some areas, that Thursday is a half-day. The 
last day of summer vacation is Labour Day. It can vary in Private Schools. 
School generally resumes the day after Labour Day (in September). Most have two 
weeks of vacation for Christmas and New Years, and a week for Spring Break 
(usually March).

In France, summer vacation usually consist of July and August (2 months).

So I will also check the rates for July 2-3-4 (or for my birthday on July 17? 
:-P).

> When school stops in the USA and the ROC (Rest Of Canada)? I was under the 
> impression that schools stops there later that in Quebec. Anyway, I will do a 
> survey for the dates.
> 
>> June is #1 for me!
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> 
>>> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
>>> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest starts on June 25. In summary : this 
>>> week-end will be full of fun. In fact, I'm quite amazed that we can get a 
>>> $139 rate for this time period.
>>> 
 September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
 
> June 24-25-26 is my vote
> 
> simon
> 
> 
> On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
>> 
>>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>>> vacation
>> 
>> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
>> 
>> - June 24-25-26
>> - August 19-20-21
>> - August 26-27-28
>> - September 09-10-11
>> 
>> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just 
>> don't come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to 
>> $379 (and we still manage to have 99% occupency).
>> 
>>> simon
>>> 
>>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
 Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
 of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give 
 awards to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of 
 community tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator 
 thing, so that we can know what people wants and to make sure it 
 happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense).
 
 About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
 overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
 making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
 it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our 
 currency is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper 
 too.
 
 Comments welcome :-)
 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Pascal Robert]

When school stops in the USA and the ROC (Rest Of Canada)? I was under the 
impression that schools stops there later that in Quebec. Anyway, I will do a 
survey for the dates.

> June is #1 for me!
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> 
>> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
>> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest starts on June 25. In summary : this 
>> week-end will be full of fun. In fact, I'm quite amazed that we can get a 
>> $139 rate for this time period.
>> 
>>> September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
>>> 
 June 24-25-26 is my vote
 
 simon
 
 
 On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> 
> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
> 
>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>> vacation
> 
> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
> 
> - June 24-25-26
> - August 19-20-21
> - August 26-27-28
> - September 09-10-11
> 
> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just 
> don't come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 
> (and we still manage to have 99% occupency).
> 
>> simon
>> 
>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
>>> of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give 
>>> awards to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of 
>>> community tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator 
>>> thing, so that we can know what people wants and to make sure it 
>>> happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense).
>>> 
>>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
>>> overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
>>> making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
>>> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our 
>>> currency is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper 
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> Comments welcome :-)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Pascal Robert
>>> prob...@macti.ca
>>> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[David Avendasora]

June is #1 for me!

Dave

On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest starts on June 25. In summary : this 
> week-end will be full of fun. In fact, I'm quite amazed that we can get a 
> $139 rate for this time period.
> 
>> September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
>> 
>>> June 24-25-26 is my vote
>>> 
>>> simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
 
 Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
 
> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
> vacation
 
 Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
 
 - June 24-25-26
 - August 19-20-21
 - August 26-27-28
 - September 09-10-11
 
 Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't 
 come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and 
 we still manage to have 99% occupency).
 
> simon
> 
> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
>> of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards 
>> to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community 
>> tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that 
>> we can know what people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it 
>> happens if the idea make sense).
>> 
>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
>> overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
>> making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
>> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency 
>> is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
>> 
>> Comments welcome :-)
>> 
>> --
>> Pascal Robert
>> prob...@macti.ca
>> 
>> AIM/iChat : MacTICanada
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Kieran Kelleher]

My choice #1: June

My choice #2: September

On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> 
> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
> 
>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>> vacation
> 
> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
> 
> - June 24-25-26
> - August 19-20-21 
> - August 26-27-28
> - September 09-10-11
> 
> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't 
> come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and we 
> still manage to have 99% occupency).
> 
>> simon
>> 
>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of 
>>> an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to 
>>> major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community 
>>> tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we 
>>> can know what people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if 
>>> the idea make sense).
>>> 
>>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won overall, 
>>> but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making things 
>>> easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in the middle 
>>> between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always low 
>>> compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
>>> 
>>> Comments welcome :-)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Pascal Robert
>>> prob...@macti.ca
>>> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-10-22 à 14:50, David Holt a écrit :

> 
> On 2010-10-22, at 11:45 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> 
>> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
>> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest
> 
> one of the best memories of my life was going to this back in 91. Free 
> concerts, streets closed to traffic. It was incredible.

They still have free concerts, and yes we still close the streets for it. 15 
minutes walk from the hotel.

>> starts on June 25. In summary : this week-end will be full of fun. In fact, 
>> I'm quite amazed that we can get a $139 rate for this time period.
>> 
>>> September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
>>> 
 June 24-25-26 is my vote
 
 simon
 
 
 On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> 
> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
> 
>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>> vacation
> 
> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
> 
> - June 24-25-26
> - August 19-20-21
> - August 26-27-28
> - September 09-10-11
> 
> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just 
> don't come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 
> (and we still manage to have 99% occupency).
> 
>> simon
>> 
>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
>>> of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give 
>>> awards to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of 
>>> community tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator 
>>> thing, so that we can know what people wants and to make sure it 
>>> happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense).
>>> 
>>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
>>> overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
>>> making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
>>> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our 
>>> currency is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper 
>>> too.
>>> 
>>> Comments welcome :-)
>>> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[David Holt]

On 2010-10-22, at 11:45 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
> before and the Montreal Jazz Fest

one of the best memories of my life was going to this back in 91. Free 
concerts, streets closed to traffic. It was incredible.

> starts on June 25. In summary : this week-end will be full of fun. In fact, 
> I'm quite amazed that we can get a $139 rate for this time period.
> 
>> September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
>> 
>>> June 24-25-26 is my vote
>>> 
>>> simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
 
 Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
 
> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
> vacation
 
 Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
 
 - June 24-25-26
 - August 19-20-21
 - August 26-27-28
 - September 09-10-11
 
 Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't 
 come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and 
 we still manage to have 99% occupency).
 
> simon
> 
> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part 
>> of an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards 
>> to major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community 
>> tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that 
>> we can know what people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it 
>> happens if the idea make sense).
>> 
>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
>> overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
>> making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
>> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency 
>> is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
>> 
>> Comments welcome :-)
>> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Pascal Robert]

But June 24 is St-Jean-Baptist Day (national holiday), school ends the day 
before and the Montreal Jazz Fest starts on June 25. In summary : this week-end 
will be full of fun. In fact, I'm quite amazed that we can get a $139 rate for 
this time period.

> September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:
> 
>> June 24-25-26 is my vote
>> 
>> simon
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
>>> 
 just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
 over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
 vacation
>>> 
>>> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
>>> 
>>> - June 24-25-26
>>> - August 19-20-21
>>> - August 26-27-28
>>> - September 09-10-11
>>> 
>>> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't 
>>> come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and we 
>>> still manage to have 99% occupency).
>>> 
 simon
 
 On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of 
> an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to 
> major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community 
> tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that 
> we can know what people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it 
> happens if the idea make sense).
> 
> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
> overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not 
> making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency 
> is always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
> 
> Comments welcome :-)
> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[David Holt]

Hi Pascal,

On 2010-10-22, at 8:32 AM, Pascal Robert  wrote:

> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of an 
> annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to major 
> contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community tools/sites, etc.

This sounds like a very reasonable proposition to me.

> This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we can know what people 
> wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense). 
> 
> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice,

I'm not surprised. It is a perfect compromise city to make Europeans feel 
somewhat at home and the rest of us feel like we've gone somewhere exotic. The 
conference this summer couldn't have been better in my opinion. Can't wait for 
another trip to Montreal!

d

> Amsterdam won overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is 
> not making things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since 
> it's in the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is 
> always low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too. 
> 
> Comments welcome :-)
> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Chuck Hill]

September 09-10-11 is probably fall colour season


On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Simon wrote:

> June 24-25-26 is my vote
> 
> simon
> 
> 
> On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
>> 
>>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>>> vacation
>> 
>> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
>> 
>> - June 24-25-26
>> - August 19-20-21
>> - August 26-27-28
>> - September 09-10-11
>> 
>> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't 
>> come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and we 
>> still manage to have 99% occupency).
>> 
>>> simon
>>> 
>>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
 Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of 
 an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to 
 major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community 
 tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we 
 can know what people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens 
 if the idea make sense).
 
 About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won 
 overall, but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making 
 things easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in 
 the middle between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always 
 low compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
 
 Comments welcome :-)
 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Simon]

June 24-25-26 is my vote

simon


On 22 October 2010 19:14, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>
> Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :
>
>> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
>> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
>> vacation
>
> Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :
>
> - June 24-25-26
> - August 19-20-21
> - August 26-27-28
> - September 09-10-11
>
> Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't 
> come for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and we 
> still manage to have 99% occupency).
>
>> simon
>>
>> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of 
>>> an annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to 
>>> major contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community 
>>> tools/sites, etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we 
>>> can know what people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if 
>>> the idea make sense).
>>>
>>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won overall, 
>>> but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making things 
>>> easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in the middle 
>>> between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always low 
>>> compared to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
>>>
>>> Comments welcome :-)
>>>
>>> --
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>>> prob...@macti.ca
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-10-22 à 14:07, Simon a écrit :

> just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
> over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
> vacation

Dates I'm looking on, no matter where it's held :

- June 24-25-26
- August 19-20-21 
- August 26-27-28
- September 09-10-11

Hotel rate is $139 for all those dates except September ($145). Just don't come 
for the F1 week-end (June 10-11-12), the rates goes up to $379 (and we still 
manage to have 99% occupency).

> simon
> 
> On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of an 
>> annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to major 
>> contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community tools/sites, 
>> etc. This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we can know what 
>> people wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if the idea make 
>> sense).
>> 
>> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won overall, 
>> but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making things 
>> easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in the middle 
>> between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always low compared 
>> to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
>> 
>> Comments welcome :-)
>> 
>> --
>> Pascal Robert
>> prob...@macti.ca
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Simon]

just not in the summer holidays please! it's really expensive to get
over from europe because all the flights are full of people on
vacation

simon

On 22 October 2010 16:32, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of an 
> annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to major 
> contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community tools/sites, etc. 
> This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we can know what people 
> wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense).
>
> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won overall, 
> but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making things 
> easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in the middle 
> between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always low compared 
> to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too.
>
> Comments welcome :-)
>
> --
> Pascal Robert
> prob...@macti.ca
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Re: MacBook from hell again... or Fusion?

[Mike Schrag]

> I'm sure this is frowned on
yes

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Re: MacBook from hell again... or Fusion?

[Johnny Miller]

Hi James,

From time to time I've had weird inexplicable errors too.  I'm sure this is 
frowned on but the one thing that has worked for me is to move or delete the 
directory .metadata in the Eclipse workspace.

HTH,

Johnny

On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:08 AM, James Cicenia wrote:

> OK -
> 
> I installed everything on a different computer. It went like a charm. So now 
> I 
> was thinking that the only different about the book from hell is that it has 
> VMWare
> Fusion on it. Anyone have Fusion running and Eclipse, etc.?
> 
> Either way... I have given up on it and am just curious. I told the new 
> company
> they have to invest in a new "real" developers machine.
> 
> - j-
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:42 AM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> Check the working directory in the app's launch configuration.
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, James Cicenia  wrote:
>> I fixed that already.. .did nothing.
>> 
>> So let's review:
>> 
>> What tells eclipse to read the Properties file?
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Re: problem with update of EO [SOLVED]

[Tim Worman]

I think. It was completely me - again. In dev I had updated the db to accept 
floats. In deployment, not so much. Inserting float values instead of integers 
when the columns are defined as integer doesn't "work good."

This is where I'm gonna get an earful of, "you should be using migrations." :-)

And I should.

Thanks to everyone who jumped in.

Tim Worman
UCLA GSE&IS


On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> Just do more logging in both java and SQL writes to the database and examine 
> the logs carefully to really ensure you are doing the logic you think you are 
> doing  .. 99.999% sure it is a bug in your logic or your EO Model.
> 
> Regards, Kieran
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Ken. No, all the relationships on both entities are allowed to be 
>> null. I'm really at a loss to explain how I'm ending up with different 
>> values in the database than I see going through the setters in the EO.
>> 
>> Tim Worman
>> UCLA GSE&IS
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you have any mandatory to-one relationships?
>>> 
>>> Whenever I have situations where data is not what it's supposed to be, it 
>>> ends up that EOF created other objects for me because of mandatory to-one 
>>> relationships...  I don't know if this is still a problem, but it used to 
>>> be.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
>>> 
 I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some 
 math, creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the 
 new EO's. When I run this process and it cycles through all the foos but 
 the values that get inserted into bars are not correct. If I restrict the 
 process to only handling one foo instead of cycling through many, the 
 inserted values ARE correct.
 
 I've tried inserting some console messages to see what values are passed 
 to the setters in bars. When I do this they are always correct but what 
 ends up in the database is different.
 
 Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this and how I can better 
 diagnose it?
 
 Tim Worman
 UCLA GSE&IS
 
 
 
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Re: allowsConcurrentRequestHandling, strange behavior

[Farrukh Ijaz]

I hope you are trying five different requests from five different absolutely 
unique browser requests. Then you'll find five different concurrent requests I 
hope.

Farrukh

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-10-22, at 7:26 PM, Chuck Hill  wrote:

> No, I can't think  of a logical explanation.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Atli Páll Hafsteinsson wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I am experiencing strange behavior when enabling concurrent request
>> handling in my app, if the requests com to a direct action only one
>> request is handle at a time and if they come to a component they seem
>> to be handled in batches, the first request blocks every other but the
>> after that has finished the app handles other requests concurrently.
>> Made a small app to test this with the following code:
>> 
>> try {
>>System.out.println( "Putting to sleep: " +
>> Thread.currentThread().getName() );
>>Thread.currentThread().sleep( 2 );
>>System.out.println( "Waking up: " + 
>> Thread.currentThread().getName() );
>>}
>>catch( Exception e ) {
>>System.out.println( "Forced to catch the Exception, 'cause Java 
>> is stupid" );
>>}
>> 
>> When 4 request are done almost at the same time to a direct action it
>> prints out:
>> 
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
>> Waking up: WorkerThread0
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
>> Waking up: WorkerThread0
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
>> Waking up: WorkerThread0
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
>> Waking up: WorkerThread0
>> 
>> The requests are ran one at a time.
>> 
>> 
>> But when the code is in a component it prints out:
>> 
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
>> Waking up: WorkerThread0
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread15
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
>> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread14
>> Waking up: WorkerThread15
>> Waking up: WorkerThread0
>> Waking up: WorkerThread14
>> 
>> That is the first request blocks all others but after that the
>> remaining 3 are ran at the same time.
>> 
>> Have set WOAllowsConcurrentRequestHandling=true and overridden
>> allowsConcurrentRequestHandling() in Application to return true.
>> 
>> Any logical explanation?
>> 
>> Using:
>> Eclipse 3.6
>> Wolips 3.6.6210
>> Latest wonder from the build server
>> WebObjects version = 5.4.3
>> java.vm.name=Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
>> java.vm.version=16.3-b01-279
>> 
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Re: session timeout info

[Chuck Hill]

http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/InternetWeb/Reference/WO542Reference/com/webobjects/appserver/WOSession.html#setTimeOut(double)


On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Theodore Petrosky wrote:

> what does the double value of the session timeOut represent?
> 
> If I do a setTimeOut(5000); what amount of time does this represent? seconds? 
> When I change the value, it doesn't seem like seconds, but I know it's not 
> minutes (or it doesn't feel like minutes
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session timeout info

[Theodore Petrosky]

 what does the double value of the session timeOut represent?

If I do a setTimeOut(5000); what amount of time does this represent? seconds? 
When I change the value, it doesn't seem like seconds, but I know it's not 
minutes (or it doesn't feel like minutes

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Mark Morris]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:

> Can't remember the exact years but:
> 
> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
> 
> and then the horror began:
> 
> Operating Systems:
> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
> - OpenStep
> - Black Hardware dies
> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
> - YellowBox died
> - Next buys apple

Got it for quite a good price, too!

> 
> WO:
> 
> - Started with WO 3.5
> - WebScript dies
> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
> 
> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
> 
> I think we will survive that too!
> 
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Re: allowsConcurrentRequestHandling, strange behavior

[Chuck Hill]

No, I can't think  of a logical explanation.

Chuck

On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Atli Páll Hafsteinsson wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I am experiencing strange behavior when enabling concurrent request
> handling in my app, if the requests com to a direct action only one
> request is handle at a time and if they come to a component they seem
> to be handled in batches, the first request blocks every other but the
> after that has finished the app handles other requests concurrently.
> Made a small app to test this with the following code:
> 
> try {
>   System.out.println( "Putting to sleep: " +
> Thread.currentThread().getName() );
>   Thread.currentThread().sleep( 2 );
>   System.out.println( "Waking up: " + 
> Thread.currentThread().getName() );
>   }
>   catch( Exception e ) {
>   System.out.println( "Forced to catch the Exception, 
> 'cause Java is stupid" );
>   }
> 
> When 4 request are done almost at the same time to a direct action it
> prints out:
> 
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
> Waking up: WorkerThread0
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
> Waking up: WorkerThread0
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
> Waking up: WorkerThread0
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
> Waking up: WorkerThread0
> 
> The requests are ran one at a time.
> 
> 
> But when the code is in a component it prints out:
> 
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
> Waking up: WorkerThread0
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread15
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
> Putting to sleep: WorkerThread14
> Waking up: WorkerThread15
> Waking up: WorkerThread0
> Waking up: WorkerThread14
> 
> That is the first request blocks all others but after that the
> remaining 3 are ran at the same time.
> 
> Have set WOAllowsConcurrentRequestHandling=true and overridden
> allowsConcurrentRequestHandling() in Application to return true.
> 
> Any logical explanation?
> 
> Using:
> Eclipse 3.6
> Wolips 3.6.6210
> Latest wonder from the build server
> WebObjects version = 5.4.3
> java.vm.name=Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
> java.vm.version=16.3-b01-279
> 
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Re: WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Ken Anderson]

Sounds good to me!  I liked Montreal.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of an 
> annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to major 
> contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community tools/sites, etc. 
> This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we can know what people 
> wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense). 
> 
> About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won overall, 
> but North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making things 
> easy, so I would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in the middle 
> between West Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always low compared 
> to the USD and the Euro, it's cheaper too. 
> 
> Comments welcome :-)
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Farrukh Ijaz]

> MS ASP with Visual Basic. Still in use by many companies who didn't switch to 
> .net Platform :)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-10-22, at 5:07 PM, "Joel M. Benisch"  wrote:

> MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 
> 1980s?).
> 
> C and C++ have been around for how long?
> And there are untold numbers of applications written in those languages that 
> are still in production.
> 
> Oh, and how long has UNIX been in production?
> Were most of us born yet when it first come out of Bell Labs?
> 
> And of course there is always the never ending life span of the underlying 
> foundation of windows, aka MS-DOS, but let's not go there.
> 
> Old tools and technologies are not necessarily bad, they are just old (ie: 
> Mature).
> If  you use them well to craft elegant code, the result will live and be 
> useful for a very long time.
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> On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> OK, how about non-mainframe technology :)
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote:
>> 
>>> COBOL :-p ?
>>> 
>>> David B.
>>> 
>>> Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit :
>>> 
 How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 
 5 years, forget about 20! :)
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
 
> Can't remember the exact years but:
> 
> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
> 
> and then the horror began:
> 
> Operating Systems:
> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
> - OpenStep
> - Black Hardware dies
> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
> - YellowBox died
> - Next buys apple
> 
> WO:
> 
> - Started with WO 3.5
> - WebScript dies
> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
> 
> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
> 
> I think we will survive that too!
> 
> Stefan
> 
> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>> 
>> My 2 cents:
>> 
>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look atthe 
>> positive.
>> 
>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>> 
>> -Kieran
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most 
>>> comments until he responds.
>>> 
>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>> 
>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>>> app tied to Cocoa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>> 
 Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
 
> +1 
> =p
> 
> 
> >
> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
> >
> 
> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
> 
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Re: problem with update of EO

[Farrukh Ijaz]

On 2010-10-22, at 5:30 PM, Tim Worman wrote:

> I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some math, 
> creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the new EO's. 

1. What is the relation between Foo and Bar? Are the two separate independent 
entities?
2. Are you iterating through all Foos at once and maintain the math as separate 
Array or Single Object in memory?
3. What values are you storing in Bars? Are No. of Foos = No. of Bars?

What loop are you using? conventional for loop, for each loop, or Iterator?

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WOWODC 2010 recordings and WOWODC 2011

[Pascal Robert]

Ok, so we are thinking of releasing the WOWODC 2010 recordings as part of an 
annual membership. The money raised would be raised to give awards to major 
contributors to the community, pay for hosting of community tools/sites, etc. 
This is why I did the Google Moderator thing, so that we can know what people 
wants and to make sure it happens (well, it happens if the idea make sense). 

About WOWODC 2011, Montreal won as the first choice, Amsterdam won overall, but 
North America have more votes than Europe. This is not making things easy, so I 
would say let's do it in Montreal again since it's in the middle between West 
Coast and Europe, and since our currency is always low compared to the USD and 
the Euro, it's cheaper too. 

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Re: problem with update of EO

[Kieran Kelleher]

Tim,

Just do more logging in both java and SQL writes to the database and examine 
the logs carefully to really ensure you are doing the logic you think you are 
doing  .. 99.999% sure it is a bug in your logic or your EO Model.

Regards, Kieran


On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Tim Worman wrote:

> Thanks Ken. No, all the relationships on both entities are allowed to be 
> null. I'm really at a loss to explain how I'm ending up with different values 
> in the database than I see going through the setters in the EO.
> 
> Tim Worman
> UCLA GSE&IS
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Do you have any mandatory to-one relationships?
>> 
>> Whenever I have situations where data is not what it's supposed to be, it 
>> ends up that EOF created other objects for me because of mandatory to-one 
>> relationships...  I don't know if this is still a problem, but it used to be.
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some 
>>> math, creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the new 
>>> EO's. When I run this process and it cycles through all the foos but the 
>>> values that get inserted into bars are not correct. If I restrict the 
>>> process to only handling one foo instead of cycling through many, the 
>>> inserted values ARE correct.
>>> 
>>> I've tried inserting some console messages to see what values are passed to 
>>> the setters in bars. When I do this they are always correct but what ends 
>>> up in the database is different.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this and how I can better 
>>> diagnose it?
>>> 
>>> Tim Worman
>>> UCLA GSE&IS
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: problem with update of EO

[Tim Worman]

Is this maybe a symptom of some kind of threading problem? The process that is 
running was recently updated but the older process was very similar and never 
exhibited this problem. I have never had an issue with the data in the database 
being different from what is logged out in the setters.

This process should probably be a long running task but I've never had it run 
that way before. It has generally taken 30-45 seconds to complete in the past.

Tim Worman
UCLA GSE&IS


On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:46 AM, Tim Worman wrote:

> Thanks Ken. No, all the relationships on both entities are allowed to be 
> null. I'm really at a loss to explain how I'm ending up with different values 
> in the database than I see going through the setters in the EO.
> 
> Tim Worman
> UCLA GSE&IS
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Do you have any mandatory to-one relationships?
>> 
>> Whenever I have situations where data is not what it's supposed to be, it 
>> ends up that EOF created other objects for me because of mandatory to-one 
>> relationships...  I don't know if this is still a problem, but it used to be.
>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some 
>>> math, creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the new 
>>> EO's. When I run this process and it cycles through all the foos but the 
>>> values that get inserted into bars are not correct. If I restrict the 
>>> process to only handling one foo instead of cycling through many, the 
>>> inserted values ARE correct.
>>> 
>>> I've tried inserting some console messages to see what values are passed to 
>>> the setters in bars. When I do this they are always correct but what ends 
>>> up in the database is different.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this and how I can better 
>>> diagnose it?
>>> 
>>> Tim Worman
>>> UCLA GSE&IS
>>> 
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Re: problem with update of EO

[Tim Worman]

Thanks Ken. No, all the relationships on both entities are allowed to be null. 
I'm really at a loss to explain how I'm ending up with different values in the 
database than I see going through the setters in the EO.

Tim Worman
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

> Do you have any mandatory to-one relationships?
> 
> Whenever I have situations where data is not what it's supposed to be, it 
> ends up that EOF created other objects for me because of mandatory to-one 
> relationships...  I don't know if this is still a problem, but it used to be.
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Tim Worman wrote:
> 
>> I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some math, 
>> creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the new EO's. 
>> When I run this process and it cycles through all the foos but the values 
>> that get inserted into bars are not correct. If I restrict the process to 
>> only handling one foo instead of cycling through many, the inserted values 
>> ARE correct.
>> 
>> I've tried inserting some console messages to see what values are passed to 
>> the setters in bars. When I do this they are always correct but what ends up 
>> in the database is different.
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this and how I can better 
>> diagnose it?
>> 
>> Tim Worman
>> UCLA GSE&IS
>> 
>> 
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Re: problem with update of EO

[Ken Anderson]

Do you have any mandatory to-one relationships?

Whenever I have situations where data is not what it's supposed to be, it ends 
up that EOF created other objects for me because of mandatory to-one 
relationships...  I don't know if this is still a problem, but it used to be.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Tim Worman wrote:

> I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some math, 
> creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the new EO's. 
> When I run this process and it cycles through all the foos but the values 
> that get inserted into bars are not correct. If I restrict the process to 
> only handling one foo instead of cycling through many, the inserted values 
> ARE correct.
> 
> I've tried inserting some console messages to see what values are passed to 
> the setters in bars. When I do this they are always correct but what ends up 
> in the database is different.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this and how I can better 
> diagnose it?
> 
> Tim Worman
> UCLA GSE&IS
> 
> 
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problem with update of EO

[Tim Worman]

I have a process that cycles through a bunch of EO's (foos), does some math, 
creates related EO's (bars), and inserts the math values into the new EO's. 
When I run this process and it cycles through all the foos but the values that 
get inserted into bars are not correct. If I restrict the process to only 
handling one foo instead of cycling through many, the inserted values ARE 
correct.

I've tried inserting some console messages to see what values are passed to the 
setters in bars. When I do this they are always correct but what ends up in the 
database is different.

Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this and how I can better diagnose 
it?

Tim Worman
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ramsey Gurley]

On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

If the UI job is boring, meaning you don't care how your application  
looks, I suggest doing a simple web app that any browser on any  
platform can render.


Otherwise, UI should not be boring - it should be the best it can be  
on the platform you're selling to.  It's what separates the apps  
that are wildly successful, from the ones that aren't.


Explain Craigslist then.  Or Windows for that matter (^_~)

Ramsey




On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:

I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times  
(MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job...


Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a  
écrit :


Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true  
fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior  
subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on  
the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This  
is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech  
operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go- 
home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows.







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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Joel M. Benisch]

MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 
1980s?).

C and C++ have been around for how long?
And there are untold numbers of applications written in those languages that 
are still in production.

Oh, and how long has UNIX been in production?
Were most of us born yet when it first come out of Bell Labs?

And of course there is always the never ending life span of the underlying 
foundation of windows, aka MS-DOS, but let's not go there.

Old tools and technologies are not necessarily bad, they are just old (ie: 
Mature).
If  you use them well to craft elegant code, the result will live and be useful 
for a very long time.

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On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

> OK, how about non-mainframe technology :)
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote:
> 
>> COBOL :-p ?
>> 
>> David B.
>> 
>> Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit :
>> 
>>> How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 
>>> 5 years, forget about 20! :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>>> 
 Can't remember the exact years but:
 
 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
 
 and then the horror began:
 
 Operating Systems:
 - NeXTstep on several plattforms
 - OpenStep
 - Black Hardware dies
 - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
 - YellowBox died
 - Next buys apple
 
 WO:
 
 - Started with WO 3.5
 - WebScript dies
 - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
 - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
 
 Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
 
 I think we will survive that too!
 
 Stefan
 
 Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
> 
> My 2 cents:
> 
> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
> 
> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> 
>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>> until he responds.
>> 
>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>> 
>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>> app tied to Cocoa.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>> 
 +1 
 =p
 
 
 >
 > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
 >
 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

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+1

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On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

> If the UI job is boring, meaning you don't care how your application looks, I 
> suggest doing a simple web app that any browser on any platform can render.
> 
> Otherwise, UI should not be boring - it should be the best it can be on the 
> platform you're selling to.  It's what separates the apps that are wildly 
> successful, from the ones that aren't.
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
> 
>> I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, 
>> Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job...
>> 
>> Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit :
>> 
>>> Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any 
>>> one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality 
>>> at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have 
>>> been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens 
>>> between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
>>> would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such 
>>> as Winblows.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

If the UI job is boring, meaning you don't care how your application looks, I 
suggest doing a simple web app that any browser on any platform can render.

Otherwise, UI should not be boring - it should be the best it can be on the 
platform you're selling to.  It's what separates the apps that are wildly 
successful, from the ones that aren't.


On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:

> I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, 
> Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job...
> 
> Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit :
> 
>> Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any 
>> one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality 
>> at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been 
>> biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between 
>> advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
>> would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such 
>> as Winblows.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Ken Anderson]

OK, how about non-mainframe technology :)

On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote:

> COBOL :-p ?
> 
> David B.
> 
> Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit :
> 
>> How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 
>> years, forget about 20! :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>> 
>>> Can't remember the exact years but:
>>> 
>>> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
>>> 
>>> and then the horror began:
>>> 
>>> Operating Systems:
>>> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
>>> - OpenStep
>>> - Black Hardware dies
>>> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
>>> - YellowBox died
>>> - Next buys apple
>>> 
>>> WO:
>>> 
>>> - Started with WO 3.5
>>> - WebScript dies
>>> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
>>> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
>>> 
>>> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
>>> 
>>> I think we will survive that too!
>>> 
>>> Stefan
>>> 
>>> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
 
 My 2 cents:
 
 Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
 
 I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
 developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
 
 -Kieran
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
 
> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
> until he responds.
> 
> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
> 
> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
> app tied to Cocoa.
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
> 
>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>> 
>>> +1 
>>> =p
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>>> >
>>> 
>>> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David BON]

COBOL :-p ?

David B.

Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit :

How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted  
more than 5 years, forget about 20! :)



On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:


Can't remember the exact years but:

1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box

and then the horror began:

Operating Systems:
- NeXTstep on several plattforms
- OpenStep
- Black Hardware dies
- YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
- YellowBox died
- Next buys apple

WO:

- Started with WO 3.5
- WebScript dies
- Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
- Last Windows Version WO 5.2

Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die

I think we will survive that too!

Stefan

Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:


My 2 cents:

Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the  
positive.


I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be  
here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS  
XI Cobra"  ;-)


-Kieran


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:

I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most  
comments until he responds.


But what do you think of CocoaWO now

My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise  
web dev app tied to Cocoa.



On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:


Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:


+1
=p


>
> Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>

That was my thought as well, I swear :p


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Re: WebObjects Community ideas on Google Moderator

[Paul D Yu]

Would something like this help us?

http://wiki.eclipse.org/DocumentationGuidelines/CrowdSourcingExample

Paul
On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:13 PM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote:

> That's fine.
> 
> But Google Translate won't work very well with Japanese <-> English.
> 
> Maybe German or other Languages are OK.
> 
> There is no real good translation Program to Japanese.
> 
> I tried it often but sometimes I don't get a clue what the translation try to 
> say^^
> 
> On 2010/10/21, at 22:10, Simon wrote:
> 
 and our Wonder version is really heavy Documented. That makes it also hard 
 to give back Frameworks to the Community.
>>> 
>>> That is unfortunate.
>> 
>> this is why the following idea on google moderator is so important:
>> 
>> "We need a way to link the JavaDoc and the wiki together. It could be
>> special tags in the JavaDoc so that those tags are found, we
>> automatically create a page in the wiki with a link to the JavaDoc."
>> 
>> google translate could then sort it all out !
>> 
>> Simon
> 
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jasper reports info

[Theodore Petrosky]

I see there was a session at WOWODC dealing with Jasper reports. 

Is this session available (free or purchase). I am looking for a starting point 
to use Jasper Reports.

Ted


  
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Re: MacBook from hell again... or Fusion?

[David LeBer]

On 2010-10-22, at 8:08 AM, James Cicenia wrote:

> OK -
> 
> I installed everything on a different computer. It went like a charm. So now 
> I 
> was thinking that the only different about the book from hell is that it has 
> VMWare
> Fusion on it. Anyone have Fusion running and Eclipse, etc.?

Yeah, I run both. I use Fusion to test our web apps from that other browser all 
the time.

> 
> Either way... I have given up on it and am just curious. I told the new 
> company
> they have to invest in a new "real" developers machine.
> 
> - j-
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:42 AM, John Huss wrote:
> 
>> Check the working directory in the app's launch configuration.
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, James Cicenia  wrote:
>> I fixed that already.. .did nothing.
>> 
>> So let's review:
>> 
>> What tells eclipse to read the Properties file?

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MacBook from hell again... or Fusion?

[James Cicenia]

OK -

I installed everything on a different computer. It went like a charm. So now I 
was thinking that the only different about the book from hell is that it has 
VMWare
Fusion on it. Anyone have Fusion running and Eclipse, etc.?

Either way... I have given up on it and am just curious. I told the new company
they have to invest in a new "real" developers machine.

- j-


On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:42 AM, John Huss wrote:

> Check the working directory in the app's launch configuration.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, James Cicenia  wrote:
> I fixed that already.. .did nothing.
> 
> So let's review:
> 
> What tells eclipse to read the Properties file?

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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[David LeBer]

SJ Speaks:



On 2010-10-22, at 7:29 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for 
> web-based apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are 
> diverging at a rate where "in my opinion" (and that is all it is) a 
> cross-development GUI tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect 
> on every platform. For example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines 
> identical to Microsoft's, Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form 
> factors and input devices adding further divergence to interface interaction 
> (iPad, touch-pad laptops etc.).
> 
> Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my 
> development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As 
> long as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development 
> tools on OS X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use 
> Parallels and a Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. 
> Life goes on 
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
> 
>> I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, 
>> Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job...
>> 
>> Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit :
>> 
>>> Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any 
>>> one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality 
>>> at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have 
>>> been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens 
>>> between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
>>> would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such 
>>> as Winblows.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: OS X Java Deprecation & JVM Source Code

[Kieran Kelleher]

I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for web-based 
apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are diverging 
at a rate where "in my opinion" (and that is all it is) a cross-development GUI 
tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect on every platform. For 
example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines identical to Microsoft's, 
Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form factors and input devices 
adding further divergence to interface interaction (iPad, touch-pad laptops 
etc.).

Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my 
development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As long 
as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development tools on OS 
X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use Parallels and a 
Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. Life goes on 


On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:

> I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, 
> Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job...
> 
> Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit :
> 
>> Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any 
>> one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality 
>> at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been 
>> biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between 
>> advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and 
>> would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such 
>> as Winblows.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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WebObjects RPM package for Linux

[Gennady Kushnir]

Hello list.
I want to share with you a set of rpm installer packages intended for
easy WO installation on Linux.
I've prepared them to facilitate distribution of my WO product
(RUJEL), but I assume, they may be valuable by themselves.

http://sisyphus.ru/en/packager/baywind/srpms

There are 3 separate RPMs: helloWO holds all java staff, woadaptor
holds adaptor and adaptor configuraton , webobjects holds init.d
scripts to run wotaskd and WOMonitor

RPMs are targeted to AltLinux but also may work for other
distributions. Anyway src.rpm are also available so feel free to adapt
them.
Installation paths are chosen to meet Linux JPackage Policy .

Feedback welcome

Gennady Kushnir
Russia
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allowsConcurrentRequestHandling, strange behavior

[Atli Páll Hafsteinsson]

Hi all

I am experiencing strange behavior when enabling concurrent request
handling in my app, if the requests com to a direct action only one
request is handle at a time and if they come to a component they seem
to be handled in batches, the first request blocks every other but the
after that has finished the app handles other requests concurrently.
Made a small app to test this with the following code:

try {
System.out.println( "Putting to sleep: " +
Thread.currentThread().getName() );
Thread.currentThread().sleep( 2 );
System.out.println( "Waking up: " + 
Thread.currentThread().getName() );
}
catch( Exception e ) {
System.out.println( "Forced to catch the Exception, 
'cause Java is stupid" );
}

When 4 request are done almost at the same time to a direct action it
prints out:

Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
Waking up: WorkerThread0
Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
Waking up: WorkerThread0
Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
Waking up: WorkerThread0
Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
Waking up: WorkerThread0

The requests are ran one at a time.


But when the code is in a component it prints out:

Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
Waking up: WorkerThread0
Putting to sleep: WorkerThread15
Putting to sleep: WorkerThread0
Putting to sleep: WorkerThread14
Waking up: WorkerThread15
Waking up: WorkerThread0
Waking up: WorkerThread14

That is the first request blocks all others but after that the
remaining 3 are ran at the same time.

Have set WOAllowsConcurrentRequestHandling=true and overridden
allowsConcurrentRequestHandling() in Application to return true.

Any logical explanation?

Using:
Eclipse 3.6
Wolips 3.6.6210
Latest wonder from the build server
WebObjects version = 5.4.3
java.vm.name=Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
java.vm.version=16.3-b01-279

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