Re: Finding WO people for startups
Those that are willing to learn, dare think it's necessary to learn for the good of the company and their career, are still around and available. At the same time be easy on prospective employees when asking the unrealistic programming question. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Paul Yu p...@mac.com wrote: My experience with hiring programmers. Type 1: Chasing after the next job. The only reason that they want your job is so it prepares them for their next job. They want the acronyms of the day to beef up their resume. These guys usually have a lot of acronyms and certifications on their resume already. These people would not want to learn WebObjects, and you probably don't want to hire these people for you lean startup any way. Type 2: Good programmers. Good programmers are hard to find in this very competitive environment. Good programmers in the java space, when presented with WebObjects will appreciate its elegance and want to learn it. However, if I were a good programmer today, I would be learning iOS development first. The challenge that we face as a community is that Apple has pulled a lot of people into their vortex. There are not many WebObjects ready people available to help on projects any more. So even small startups like my own will need to look at growing our own teams. As suggested, a good existing project/program will help new people transition easier, but without good training... This is a chicken-egg problem. Without the demand for the training... I wish this was easier... Paul -- Your Friend The Atom is a reference to Walt Disney Productions' Our Friend the Atom (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151857/) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Alan Ward aw...@apple.com wrote: On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: So the message is : Learn WO, be good at it, and you likely be able to get a job at Apple. I believe quite a few people have done exactly that. You'll need deep WebObjects knowledge for Apple to be interested. If you do it all, HTML, CSS, WO, deployments, hardware installs, DNS, etc. - broad vs. deep expertise, then not so much. And this makes sense, don't get me wrong. Cost is not so much the issue, I'm cheap (but not minimum wage-cheap). -- Your Friend The Atom is a reference to Walt Disney Productions' Our Friend the Atom (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151857/) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
WebObjects is a separate product sold by Apple. Huh?
I was trying to find webobjects reference material using ADC's search page, which I have used for along time. Today it failed to find something while looking for webobjects dispatchRequest nor webobjects woapplication. Seems WO reference is not available any more for searching. APIs are available if you look herehttp://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/navigation/index.html. Also try your luck herehttp://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/navigation/index.html . Then I found this little gem herehttp://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/OSX_Technology_Overview/AppTechnology/AppTechnology.html: WebObjects The WebObjects application environment is a set of tools and object-oriented frameworks targeted at developers creating web services and web-based applications. The WebObjects environment provides a set of flexible tools for creating full-featured web applications. Common uses for this environment include the following: Creating a web-based interface for dynamic content, including programmatically generated content or content from a database Creating web services based on SOAP, XML, and WSDL *WebObjects is a separate product sold by Apple.* If you are thinking about creating a web storefront or other web-based services, see the information available athttp://developer.apple.com/tools/webobjects. Bold green emphasis by me. This document was last updated 2009-08-14. Just for fun I looked for webobjects at the Apple store and I get An Internal Server Error Has Occurred. but not when I look for xserve. Maybe there is meaning behind that... Getting more and more annoyed. -- Your Friend The Atom is a reference to Walt Disney Productions' Our Friend the Atom (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151857/) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: WebObjects is a separate product sold by Apple. Huh?
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:14 PM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.comwrote: On 2009-09-04, at 5:08 PM, Your Friend The Atom wrote: [...] Getting more and more annoyed. Dont. http://www.wocommunity.org/ Maybe Apple should redirect all their WebObjects links to this one. :-) -- Your Friend The Atom is a reference to Walt Disney Productions' Our Friend the Atom (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151857/) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How are your Eclipse workspaces organized?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Ricardo J. Parada rpar...@mac.com wrote: I have a workspace for every branch I'm working on. So for example I have a *prod*workspace that has everything checked out from the branch that is in production.Then I have the *trunk* workspace which checks out everything from trunk in our subversion repository. I usually work on that when adding new features and working on the next release of our applications. This sound like a good idea. I might adopt that. And then I have an *mpvwonder* workspace. This corresponds to our subversion branch created from trunk. And I'm working on converting all our projects to Wonder. This will be merged into trunk eventually. I'm between platforms right now and need to maintain old projects in WO5.3/Xcode, WO5.3/Eclipse and get ready fix them all up to work in Snow Leopard. Seems like migrating everything to WO5.3/Eclipse into one workspace and build embedded apps. I can then migrate the projects one by one to a WO5.4+Wonder workspace. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How are your Eclipse workspaces organized?
Sorry, hit send too soon. Thanks for your help. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Ricardo J. Parada rpar...@mac.com wrote: I have a workspace for every branch I'm working on. So for example I have a *prod*workspace that has everything checked out from the branch that is in production.Then I have the *trunk* workspace which checks out everything from trunk in our subversion repository. I usually work on that when adding new features and working on the next release of our applications. And then I have an *mpvwonder* workspace. This corresponds to our subversion branch created from trunk. And I'm working on converting all our projects to Wonder. This will be merged into trunk eventually. But basically, each of these workspaces (prod, trunk, mpvwonder) has all of our projects: frameworks, web apps and something we call agents (they are like webapps but without a user interface and they perform back end tasks such as generating reports periodically to name just one of many many tasks they perform). I'm currently using WO 5.4.3 only. But eventually I plan on playing with a newer version when it comes out and for that I'll just follow David's excellent tutorial: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Using+WOLips+With+Multiple+Versions+of+WebObjects I also have Wonder source imported into each Eclipse workspace so that I can work with Wonder's source and for enhanced debugging. In subversion I use the svn:externals property to check out the right version of Wonder that we are doing QA against. You can read about svn:externals in the svn-book. Google for it if you are not familiar with it. :-) On Jun 26, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Your Friend The Atom wrote: How do you organize your eclipse workspace? Do you have a workspace for each client? Or for each project (app and frameworks in one)? Or are all your legacy apps which use WO5.3 in one workspace and does that folder on disk contain the WO5.3 framework just like any other third-party framework? Are your WO5.3 frameworks in /Developer or somewhere else in /Library? My goal is to have an environment (Leopard) where the default installation mostly remains untouched and the legacy apps do not interfere with 5.4 development. Thanks. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com This email sent to rpar...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
How are your Eclipse workspaces organized?
How do you organize your eclipse workspace? Do you have a workspace for each client? Or for each project (app and frameworks in one)? Or are all your legacy apps which use WO5.3 in one workspace and does that folder on disk contain the WO5.3 framework just like any other third-party framework? Are your WO5.3 frameworks in /Developer or somewhere else in /Library? My goal is to have an environment (Leopard) where the default installation mostly remains untouched and the legacy apps do not interfere with 5.4 development. Thanks. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Thank you WebObjects + community
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Gustavo Adolfo Pizano webobjectspic...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I will still be bothering you with my newbie questions! :P :P Please do. That way lurkers may feel more comfortable posting and also contribute (when there a questions they can actually answer). ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Thank you WebObjects + community
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.netwrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Your Friend The Atom wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Gustavo Adolfo Pizano webobjectspic...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I will still be bothering you with my newbie questions! :P :P Please do. That way lurkers may feel more comfortable posting and also contribute (when there a questions they can actually answer). I'd hate for anyone to feel ashamed or fearful of asking a question or providing an answer. If you are just lurking, please start posting! I know there are lots of you out there, I can hear you moving when it is quiet, but this list feels so small sometimes. It's not being ashamed or fearful. It's someone has come up with a better answer by the time I formulate mine and a lot of the stuff on the list is over my head. I do immensely appreciate the community, don't get me wrong. (No, I'm not new to the list and I have posted in the past. This account/handle gives me certain liberties.) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
