Hi Mike,
We, at WEBAPPZ strongly disagree with your opinions:
On 8-Apr-08, at 4:45 PM, mike deavila wrote:
I think there is a lot of this with many companies doing the same
thing.
AFIK a lot more companies have been starting to get involved with the
WebObjects community in the last year or so.
Without Apple support of windows,
With Eclipse, WO can be developed from Windows and, since it is JAVA,
it can be deployed on Windows. But why would anyone deal with such a
virus-prone platform?
it does not have much of a future and the unsupported WOLips does
not help enough.
WOLips is perfectly supported by many friendly people on this list who
usually respond within 30 minutes. The support has been very
satisfying for us at WEBAPPZ!
I have been on and off this list or others like it for years and I
read this all the time and the WebObjects knowledge base is very
small now.
AFIK, again not correct: please read this list.
Apple has killed WebObjects and WOLips is just slowing the death.
Apple has actually hired more resources, including a friend of us,
Pierre, to work on WO full-time. With WO 5.4.1, the WO team has done
an excellent job.
At last year's WWDC I had the pleasure of having lunch with the entire
team. I should really brush up on my French!
I have been doing WO for over a decade and I have never seen it this
weak.
You mean this strong!!! There is now a unique WebObjects conference
planned aside from WWDC:
http://www.wocommunity.org/wowodc08/
I'm working and still doing WO (Yea!) but i'm in the process of
moving off WO even-though it was a great technology. WO rest in
peace...
It is a great technology and will become even greater; look how
quickly WO 5.4.1 came out after WO5.4.0. :)
MMM loving it....
With Kind Regards,
Dennis Gaastra, M.B.A.[sfu.ca], B.Sc.[ubc.ca]
Chief Technology Officer,
WEBAPPZ.COM
cheers
On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote:
For some time now, my company has been set on leaving WebObjects.
We have been running WebObjects 5.2 on Windows servers. We haven't
moved 100% yet, but my next project will be using JavaServer
Faces. And another fairly new project will be using OpenLaszlo
with our existing J2E back-end.
Company's reasons for leaving:
1. WebObjects is proprietary
2. New versions of WebObjects is not supported on Windows
3. Perceived lack of knowledgeable WebObjects programmers (I'm in
the Chicago suburbs -- Northbrook, IL, to be precise)
We do NOT use:
1. Xcode/WebObjects tools [Xcode or WOBuilder or EOModeler] (except
for me on a MacBook Pro -- only because I requested it)
2. EOF
3. WONDER
4. Servlet container (which I do not prefer anyway)
I personally enjoy WebObjects development and wish that WebObjects
would be more palatable to companies such as mine.
Please excuse the ranting, but I want someone at Apple to know that
as great as WebObjects technology is [I personally think it is the
BEST I've seen anywhere], it is losing ground because if it's lack
in thet top 3 items mentioned. I wish so bad that Apple would do
something about it.
I'm guessing people's response will be: Don't hold your breath.
Pity. :(
= Robert =
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