Re: Maven "Quick Start" [was: Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?]

[Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev]

Is the xWiki down?

https://wiki.wocommunity.org/

I can’t get on!

Ted

> On Dec 25, 2023, at 03:30, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 08:38, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev 
> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hugi and I will fix the documentation on the Wiki. Going from zero to Hello 
>> World should take anyone about 10 minutes (modulo some artefact download 
>> time). Converting an existing project might take 20 minutes.
> 
> I've just updated the Maven "Quick Start" page here:
> 
> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/xwiki/bin/view/WOL/Home/WOProject-Maven/Quick%20Start/
> 
> It's a re-write from scratch: some of the existing information was helpful 10 
> years ago, but a lot of it was stale and fragmented. I've tested it myself, 
> and it should work. My claim is that even a non-Mavenite should be able to go 
> from zero to Maven-Hello-World in about 10 minutes. Please try it out, 
> especially the New-Mavenites and Maven-Curious:
> 
> * Does it work from start to finish? If not, let me know where it failed and 
> I'll fix it.
> * How long did it take?
> 
> 
> -- 
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Maven "Quick Start" [was: Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?]

[Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev]

On 25 Dec 2023, at 08:38, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev 
 wrote:

> Hugi and I will fix the documentation on the Wiki. Going from zero to Hello 
> World should take anyone about 10 minutes (modulo some artefact download 
> time). Converting an existing project might take 20 minutes.

I've just updated the Maven "Quick Start" page here:

https://wiki.wocommunity.org/xwiki/bin/view/WOL/Home/WOProject-Maven/Quick%20Start/
 


It's a re-write from scratch: some of the existing information was helpful 10 
years ago, but a lot of it was stale and fragmented. I've tested it myself, and 
it should work. My claim is that even a non-Mavenite should be able to go from 
zero to Maven-Hello-World in about 10 minutes. Please try it out, especially 
the New-Mavenites and Maven-Curious:

* Does it work from start to finish? If not, let me know where it failed and 
I'll fix it.
* How long did it take?


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Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?

[Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev]

Hi everyone,

On 24 Dec 2023, at 2:14 am, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev 
 wrote:

> Samuel; the maven info on the WOCommunity wiki is very outdated, to the point 
> that I think a lot of it should just be deleted and replaced with more modern 
> info. I've been kind of shy to do that (i.e. fudging around with other 
> peoples' hard work), but it's probably time to just … do it? I'm excited to 
> play around with that new wiki software Maik has set up!

It is definitely time to just do it.

> In the last couple of years, I've put my guides into gists, so here are a 
> couple; one showing how to do a fresh setup of a WO maven development 
> environment, and another one showing how to port an existing Fluffy Bunny 
> project to maven (which Paul has also added to):
> 
> https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1 
> 
> https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42 
> 

This is mine:

https://gist.github.com/paulhoadley/cd15b90c94eb8c640fddd9ac3fbbc6dc

I really don't know whose is better or more current, or even why I forked 
Hugi's in the first place.

On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev 
 wrote:

> If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my 
> achievements !
> 
> I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each 
> time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error 
> that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the 
> subject I found.
> 
> If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page 
> with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it 
> would be great.
> 
> Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some 
> instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be a 
> dream.

This is disappointing to hear—we should have been able to get Samuel over the 
line. It's not hard at all—we get even non-Java people to set up WebObjects 
projects from time to time. Hugi and I will fix the documentation on the Wiki. 
Going from zero to Hello World should take anyone about 10 minutes (modulo some 
artefact download time). Converting an existing project might take 20 minutes.


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Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?

[Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev]

Samuel,

I found this really worked as written and it is great! If you want to 
schedule a TeamViewer session to work with someone that just got it working, 
let me know. I am hanging around with nothing to do……

Ted

> https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1




> On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:44, Hugi Thordarson  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> just seeing this now, sorry! The whole family apart from me decided to go 
> sick last week, so I've assumed the duties of shopping, wrapping and 
> otherwise preparing the holidays alongside work :).
> 
> But I like Ted's idea of "sharing the love". If there's interest, I'd love to 
> have an open online session to introduce maven and help with transition where 
> required. However, I'll have very little free time for maven stuff until 
> after new years' eve, since in the next few days, I'll need to catch up on 
> work while keeping the family alive. But Ted, I'm certainly free for some 
> quick help — hit me up on Slack!
> 
> Samuel; the maven info on the WOCommunity wiki is very outdated, to the point 
> that I think a lot of it should just be deleted and replaced with more modern 
> info. I've been kind of shy to do that (i.e. fudging around with other 
> peoples' hard work), but it's probably time to just … do it? I'm excited to 
> play around with that new wiki software Maik has set up!
> 
> In the last couple of years, I've put my guides into gists, so here are a 
> couple; one showing how to do a fresh setup of a WO maven development 
> environment, and another one showing how to port an existing Fluffy Bunny 
> project to maven (which Paul has also added to):
> 
> https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1
> https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42
> 
> Merry christmas to you all!
> - hugi
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 15:21, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Samuel,
>> 
>> Hugi and I had a session and he showed me what to do. I can create a new 
>> Wonder app as well as a D2W app with maven. 
>> 
>> I am trying to reconnect with him and when I do, we can do a Zoom meeting 
>> and invite anyone that is interested.
>> 
>> Are you interested in joining this session?
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my 
>>> achievements !
>>> 
>>> I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up 
>>> each time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without 
>>> error that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page 
>>> on the subject I found.
>>> 
>>> If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page 
>>> with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, 
>>> it would be great.
>>> 
>>> Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some 
>>> instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be 
>>> a dream.
>>> 
>>> Merry Christmas to everyone on the list,
>>> 
>>> Samuel
>>> 
>>> 
 Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev 
 mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a 
 écrit :
 
 Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t 
 care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has 
 an account so there is no time limit)
 
 Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity 
 xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run.
 
 How can we get together again?
 
 Ted
 
 I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer.
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Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?

[Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev]

Hi guys,
just seeing this now, sorry! The whole family apart from me decided to go sick 
last week, so I've assumed the duties of shopping, wrapping and otherwise 
preparing the holidays alongside work :).

But I like Ted's idea of "sharing the love". If there's interest, I'd love to 
have an open online session to introduce maven and help with transition where 
required. However, I'll have very little free time for maven stuff until after 
new years' eve, since in the next few days, I'll need to catch up on work while 
keeping the family alive. But Ted, I'm certainly free for some quick help — hit 
me up on Slack!

Samuel; the maven info on the WOCommunity wiki is very outdated, to the point 
that I think a lot of it should just be deleted and replaced with more modern 
info. I've been kind of shy to do that (i.e. fudging around with other peoples' 
hard work), but it's probably time to just … do it? I'm excited to play around 
with that new wiki software Maik has set up!

In the last couple of years, I've put my guides into gists, so here are a 
couple; one showing how to do a fresh setup of a WO maven development 
environment, and another one showing how to port an existing Fluffy Bunny 
project to maven (which Paul has also added to):

https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1
https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42

Merry christmas to you all!
- hugi


> On Dec 21, 2023, at 15:21, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Samuel,
> 
> Hugi and I had a session and he showed me what to do. I can create a new 
> Wonder app as well as a D2W app with maven. 
> 
> I am trying to reconnect with him and when I do, we can do a Zoom meeting and 
> invite anyone that is interested.
> 
> Are you interested in joining this session?
> 
> Ted
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my 
>> achievements !
>> 
>> I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each 
>> time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error 
>> that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the 
>> subject I found.
>> 
>> If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page 
>> with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it 
>> would be great.
>> 
>> Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some 
>> instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be 
>> a dream.
>> 
>> Merry Christmas to everyone on the list,
>> 
>> Samuel
>> 
>> 
>>> Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev 
>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a 
>>> écrit :
>>> 
>>> Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t 
>>> care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has 
>>> an account so there is no time limit)
>>> 
>>> Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity 
>>> xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run.
>>> 
>>> How can we get together again?
>>> 
>>> Ted
>>> 
>>> I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer.
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Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?

[Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev]

Samuel,

Hugi and I had a session and he showed me what to do. I can create a new Wonder 
app as well as a D2W app with maven. 

I am trying to reconnect with him and when I do, we can do a Zoom meeting and 
invite anyone that is interested.

Are you interested in joining this session?

Ted

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my 
> achievements !
> 
> I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each 
> time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error 
> that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the 
> subject I found.
> 
> If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page 
> with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it 
> would be great.
> 
> Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some 
> instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be a 
> dream.
> 
> Merry Christmas to everyone on the list,
> 
> Samuel
> 
> 
>> Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev 
>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t 
>> care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has an 
>> account so there is no time limit)
>> 
>> Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity 
>> xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run.
>> 
>> How can we get together again?
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>> I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer.
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Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?

[Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev]

Hi,

If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my 
achievements !

I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each 
time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error 
that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the 
subject I found.

If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page with 
a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it would 
be great.

Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some 
instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be a 
dream.

Merry Christmas to everyone on the list,

Samuel


> Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev 
>  a écrit :
> 
> Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t care 
> about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has an 
> account so there is no time limit)
> 
> Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity xWiki? 
> I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run.
> 
> How can we get together again?
> 
> Ted
> 
> I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer.
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Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?

[Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev]

Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t care 
about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has an account 
so there is no time limit)

Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity xWiki? I 
did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run.

How can we get together again?

Ted

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