Re: Why I teach WebObjects
Same question... As a former WO trainer I have the old PWO1 and PWO2 but it's not updated to the new tools. I'd be very interested in more recent training materials. Thanks, Matteo On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com wrote: Any chance that WO training material is in English, and available outside Switzerland? On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: This is in response to an other thread (WOLips on Windows). I think it deserves its own one. List mom, please let me know if this is inappropriate. On 19.12.2011, at 17:27, Kevin Spake wrote: If I may ask, what sort of WO training do you provide? You can contact me off list if you prefer. Thanks. Hi Kevin, On list is ok for me (hope the listers do not mind) I work as part time teacher at a private school here in Switzerland. We provide formal education as Application Developer for folks that have already had formal training for a profession but due to various reasons (often medical) must be re-trained to a new profession. The whole thing is 1 year full time school then 1 year full time work. They finish with an official Swiss Federal Diploma. During the first year the students have to take ~33 modules, most of them 40 lessons, some 80 lessons. Each such module covers one topic (DB design, structured programming, OO programming, HTML/CSS, and many many others) and each ends with an exam. I have been doing this for the last 10 years on and off and I also have written several course books. These have been officially published and are available in book stores. Recently I have co-authored a book about OO Development covering the whole lifecycle from Analysis to Deployment. In there I have covered the development part with WebObjects. One of the modules im currently teaching is Implementing an OO multi-user DB app. The general topics of each such module is given by federal regulations but it is up to the school/teacher how these are presented. I am teaching this module using WebObjects. The first part (40 lessons) will follow loosely the old Programming WebObjects 1 (Apple Stuff from 2001, adapted to the new tools etc), whereas the second part (again 40 lessons) will then focus on individual small projects and the methodology and concepts of OOA/OOD. Why do I do this (using that dead thing called WebObjects) in teaching? Pretty simple: it is there, it works perfectly, it is a great thing to work with, it is also a counter weight to J2EE, and I want to promote WO. Bring WO to schools and when the students later on get their jobs they might eventually mention what they have learned - spread the word! Many many moons ago (December 2001) I attended an official Apple Train the Trainer for PWO1 and have been teaching that course several times in the past. Long since no WO teaching but have been working with WO on many projects during the last 10 years. I am currently quite involved with a large customer where I maintain several (rather old) WO-Apps and am currently massively extending an existing D2W app. Big fun and a lot to discover every day. ---markus--- On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: Need this for teaching WO (yeah!). Many folks come with their Macs but not everyone does. Some students have only Win notebooks. So I must be able to have development on Windows as well. Thanks for any help ---markus--- ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/sparky005s%40yahoo.com This email sent to sparky0...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/wolists%40matteocentro.it This email sent to woli...@matteocentro.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Why I teach WebObjects
AFAIK, only Paul Lynch did a update of the training material to be more current, and he's using for his WO teaching classes (and for the Boot Camp before WOWODC 2012). Same question... As a former WO trainer I have the old PWO1 and PWO2 but it's not updated to the new tools. I'd be very interested in more recent training materials. Thanks, Matteo On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Kevin Spake sparky0...@yahoo.com wrote: Any chance that WO training material is in English, and available outside Switzerland? On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: This is in response to an other thread (WOLips on Windows). I think it deserves its own one. List mom, please let me know if this is inappropriate. On 19.12.2011, at 17:27, Kevin Spake wrote: If I may ask, what sort of WO training do you provide? You can contact me off list if you prefer. Thanks. Hi Kevin, On list is ok for me (hope the listers do not mind) I work as part time teacher at a private school here in Switzerland. We provide formal education as Application Developer for folks that have already had formal training for a profession but due to various reasons (often medical) must be re-trained to a new profession. The whole thing is 1 year full time school then 1 year full time work. They finish with an official Swiss Federal Diploma. During the first year the students have to take ~33 modules, most of them 40 lessons, some 80 lessons. Each such module covers one topic (DB design, structured programming, OO programming, HTML/CSS, and many many others) and each ends with an exam. I have been doing this for the last 10 years on and off and I also have written several course books. These have been officially published and are available in book stores. Recently I have co-authored a book about OO Development covering the whole lifecycle from Analysis to Deployment. In there I have covered the development part with WebObjects. One of the modules im currently teaching is Implementing an OO multi-user DB app. The general topics of each such module is given by federal regulations but it is up to the school/teacher how these are presented. I am teaching this module using WebObjects. The first part (40 lessons) will follow loosely the old Programming WebObjects 1 (Apple Stuff from 2001, adapted to the new tools etc), whereas the second part (again 40 lessons) will then focus on individual small projects and the methodology and concepts of OOA/OOD. Why do I do this (using that dead thing called WebObjects) in teaching? Pretty simple: it is there, it works perfectly, it is a great thing to work with, it is also a counter weight to J2EE, and I want to promote WO. Bring WO to schools and when the students later on get their jobs they might eventually mention what they have learned - spread the word! Many many moons ago (December 2001) I attended an official Apple Train the Trainer for PWO1 and have been teaching that course several times in the past. Long since no WO teaching but have been working with WO on many projects during the last 10 years. I am currently quite involved with a large customer where I maintain several (rather old) WO-Apps and am currently massively extending an existing D2W app. Big fun and a lot to discover every day. ---markus--- On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: Need this for teaching WO (yeah!). Many folks come with their Macs but not everyone does. Some students have only Win notebooks. So I must be able to have development on Windows as well. Thanks for any help ---markus--- ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/sparky005s%40yahoo.com This email sent to sparky0...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/wolists%40matteocentro.it This email sent to woli...@matteocentro.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
Why I teach WebObjects
This is in response to an other thread (WOLips on Windows). I think it deserves its own one. List mom, please let me know if this is inappropriate. On 19.12.2011, at 17:27, Kevin Spake wrote: If I may ask, what sort of WO training do you provide? You can contact me off list if you prefer. Thanks. Hi Kevin, On list is ok for me (hope the listers do not mind) I work as part time teacher at a private school here in Switzerland. We provide formal education as Application Developer for folks that have already had formal training for a profession but due to various reasons (often medical) must be re-trained to a new profession. The whole thing is 1 year full time school then 1 year full time work. They finish with an official Swiss Federal Diploma. During the first year the students have to take ~33 modules, most of them 40 lessons, some 80 lessons. Each such module covers one topic (DB design, structured programming, OO programming, HTML/CSS, and many many others) and each ends with an exam. I have been doing this for the last 10 years on and off and I also have written several course books. These have been officially published and are available in book stores. Recently I have co-authored a book about OO Development covering the whole lifecycle from Analysis to Deployment. In there I have covered the development part with WebObjects. One of the modules im currently teaching is Implementing an OO multi-user DB app. The general topics of each such module is given by federal regulations but it is up to the school/teacher how these are presented. I am teaching this module using WebObjects. The first part (40 lessons) will follow loosely the old Programming WebObjects 1 (Apple Stuff from 2001, adapted to the new tools etc), whereas the second part (again 40 lessons) will then focus on individual small projects and the methodology and concepts of OOA/OOD. Why do I do this (using that dead thing called WebObjects) in teaching? Pretty simple: it is there, it works perfectly, it is a great thing to work with, it is also a counter weight to J2EE, and I want to promote WO. Bring WO to schools and when the students later on get their jobs they might eventually mention what they have learned - spread the word! Many many moons ago (December 2001) I attended an official Apple Train the Trainer for PWO1 and have been teaching that course several times in the past. Long since no WO teaching but have been working with WO on many projects during the last 10 years. I am currently quite involved with a large customer where I maintain several (rather old) WO-Apps and am currently massively extending an existing D2W app. Big fun and a lot to discover every day. ---markus--- On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: Need this for teaching WO (yeah!). Many folks come with their Macs but not everyone does. Some students have only Win notebooks. So I must be able to have development on Windows as well. Thanks for any help ---markus--- ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/sparky005s%40yahoo.com This email sent to sparky0...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Why I teach WebObjects
Any chance that WO training material is in English, and available outside Switzerland? On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: This is in response to an other thread (WOLips on Windows). I think it deserves its own one. List mom, please let me know if this is inappropriate. On 19.12.2011, at 17:27, Kevin Spake wrote: If I may ask, what sort of WO training do you provide? You can contact me off list if you prefer. Thanks. Hi Kevin, On list is ok for me (hope the listers do not mind) I work as part time teacher at a private school here in Switzerland. We provide formal education as Application Developer for folks that have already had formal training for a profession but due to various reasons (often medical) must be re-trained to a new profession. The whole thing is 1 year full time school then 1 year full time work. They finish with an official Swiss Federal Diploma. During the first year the students have to take ~33 modules, most of them 40 lessons, some 80 lessons. Each such module covers one topic (DB design, structured programming, OO programming, HTML/CSS, and many many others) and each ends with an exam. I have been doing this for the last 10 years on and off and I also have written several course books. These have been officially published and are available in book stores. Recently I have co-authored a book about OO Development covering the whole lifecycle from Analysis to Deployment. In there I have covered the development part with WebObjects. One of the modules im currently teaching is Implementing an OO multi-user DB app. The general topics of each such module is given by federal regulations but it is up to the school/teacher how these are presented. I am teaching this module using WebObjects. The first part (40 lessons) will follow loosely the old Programming WebObjects 1 (Apple Stuff from 2001, adapted to the new tools etc), whereas the second part (again 40 lessons) will then focus on individual small projects and the methodology and concepts of OOA/OOD. Why do I do this (using that dead thing called WebObjects) in teaching? Pretty simple: it is there, it works perfectly, it is a great thing to work with, it is also a counter weight to J2EE, and I want to promote WO. Bring WO to schools and when the students later on get their jobs they might eventually mention what they have learned - spread the word! Many many moons ago (December 2001) I attended an official Apple Train the Trainer for PWO1 and have been teaching that course several times in the past. Long since no WO teaching but have been working with WO on many projects during the last 10 years. I am currently quite involved with a large customer where I maintain several (rather old) WO-Apps and am currently massively extending an existing D2W app. Big fun and a lot to discover every day. ---markus--- On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:02 AM, Markus Ruggiero wrote: Need this for teaching WO (yeah!). Many folks come with their Macs but not everyone does. Some students have only Win notebooks. So I must be able to have development on Windows as well. Thanks for any help ---markus--- ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/sparky005s%40yahoo.com This email sent to sparky0...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
