[libreoffice-website] Permission to add Twitter and RSS

2011-01-16 Thread Andras Timar
Hi,

I would like to add twitter and rss widgets to Hungarian home page. I
created a WidgetPage. When I clicked on Add new RSS configuration or Add
new Twitter Widget variants, a read-only popup window was displayed. I'd
like to add Hungarian LibreOffice twitter [1] and feed of Hungarian news
site [2] obviously...

[1] http://twitter.com/libreofficehu
[2] http://libreoffice.hu/rss

Is this possible?

Thanks,
Andras

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[libreoffice-website] FIX NEEDED: Footer too wide by 5-6px

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi Christian, :-)

The libreoffice.org site footer is wider than the header block... I
attached a screenshot so you can see what I mean... Could we fix that
when you have time? TIA if so. ;-)

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-website] FIX NEEDED: Download widget dropdown box margin-bottom needs increasing

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

@Christian: I attached a screenshot showing a tiny improvement to make
to the download widget, to match with the new theme dropdown box
margin-bottom needs increasing slightly... ;-)

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-website] Re: FIX NEEDED: Download widget dropdown box margin-bottom needs increasing

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:26 PM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi, :-)

 @Christian: I attached a screenshot showing a tiny improvement to make
 to the download widget, to match with the new theme dropdown box
 margin-bottom needs increasing slightly... ;-)

done.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: FIX NEEDED: Footer too wide by 5-6px

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Christian, :-)

 The libreoffice.org site footer is wider than the header block... I
 attached a screenshot so you can see what I mean... Could we fix that
 when you have time? TIA if so. ;-)

done.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: URGENT REQUEST: Install the News/Blogging module

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi David, *,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:00 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Christian, Ivan :-)

 @Christian: Please, would it be possible to install the SilverStripe
 News/Blogging module? I have attached an annotated screenshot to show
 exactly where... TIA if so. :-)

I installed it at pumbaa, but there it hasn't been used yet, so before
you didn't even try it out on the staging site, I'll not install it to
the live site.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: URGENT REQUEST: Install the News/Blogging module

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 00:45, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I installed it at pumbaa, but there it hasn't been used yet, so before
 you didn't even try it out on the staging site, I'll not install it to
 the live site.

Christian, I really prefer to have it on the live site so we can iron
out the potential CSS glitches... Could you please install it where
requested? It will definitely be used... We'll just be wasting more
time if not...

TIA if so...

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] URGENT REQUEST: Integrate Nabble mailing list interface into site

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 00:45, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
 OK, does that mean that the js snippet from the other day did not work,
 or that you haven't had time to try it?

@Drew: it means that this is a job that currently only Christian can
handle, so...

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] On Japanese l10n site

2011-01-16 Thread Erich Christian
Hi Takeshi, Christian,

Am 16.01.2011 11:42, schrieb Takeshi Abe:
 I would like to help to start Japanese l10n site which seems not
 launched yet.
 If it is OK, could you register ja.libreoffice.org and authorize me
 for editing the site?

Prepared subsite and group, added you as subsite admin.
We'll post the login link when things are ready.

@ Christian:
Please adjust apache for cs, ja, ml subsites, thanks.

cheers
Erich

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[libreoffice-website] Left margin for numbered lists

2011-01-16 Thread Harri Pitkänen
Hi!

It appears that list items within numbered (ol) lists are shifted a bit too 
much left. You can see the problem here:

  http://fi.libreoffice.org/lataa/asennusohjeet/macintosh/

I'd expect the numbers to be aligned at the same level as the paragraph text. 
The problem does not occur with ul lists where the CSS adds some padding for 
li elements to handle this. Experimenting with Firebug leads me to think that 
something like this might work as a fix for this problem:

.typography ol li {
margin-left: 21px;
}


Harri

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-16 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-15 4:41 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
 I would sincerely hope that this would not disappear in the near future,
 it would in my humble opinion, be a great shame to lose all that work.

+100

The integration of mail list  forums  newsgroups alone is worth
using Drupal, assuming of course that it can indeed be accomplished as
Michael described...

Michael, I'm sure all of your hard work won't be wasted, hang in there...

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Best regards,

Charles

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 01:59, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote:
 Here is the poll, but I have to admit that I've - to not miss anyone -
 added all times (even those, I won't be available. So sorry for the many
 options in advance ...
 http://www.doodle.com/py7e7fku8p5v9v92

I responded to the poll. IMHO, it would be better if you contact
Florian, because you are more likely to get a quick reply from him. If
you then give me the codes he sends you, I can host the call if you
prefer...

 It would be great to put up an agenda before our call - so that others
 can follow our discussion or can add their own thoughts.

OK, I can do that when we've fixed a date and time...

 Thus, it is about: [0]
 http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oSwkWTbgl3oUw-EYzldotA?feat=directlink

Ah that's a shame... it's one of the most visually attractive of
the screenshots, and made the Suite look good...
What's actually the problem with this screenshot?

 Oh, we may add the language specific issue here as well - some of the
 international teams will have to re-create the screenshots. This is why
 Michael (was it in his last mail in this thread?) talked about the
 l10n issues - if possible, we should use only those parts of the
 screen that are not locale specific (e.g. if graphics in Draw are
 sufficient to show a certain behavior, then avoid any text).

Well, since the NL sites have total freedom in their site design, I
don't see too much need to think of them in the English site design...
There's no guarantee that they will be wanting to offer the same or
similar content, is there?

 Concerning the size - yes, practically there is a need for showing
 different sizes. Let's state that a page is good if the width of the
 picture column is fix (so that scrolling down does not wobble the page
 content), then we can do:
      * Crop to the desired part of the screenshot
      * Resize the screenshot so that it fits to the width
      * Allow the height to be flexible

OK, well let's talk about this during the call... It's worth
remembering that this information only has a limited shelf life, and
we don't have many people doing actual work in the project, so it
might be good to try and keep the production process as simple,
without too many complicated rules? ;-)

But let's talk and see how to meet as many constraints as possible...

 Mmh, I'll skip that - we may even ask the local communities to provide
 that (given some requirements how the screenshots should look like). I
 bet that the FR community already did something like that.

Well the NL communities can deal with the NL pages, and the English
site team can deal with the English pages...

 But the kind of realization doesn't fit into our hierarchically
 presented menu concept - so I propose a link like See what you get! /
 See what's in the box! / That's new / Know more about the
 Features. Thus, the idea is great, but we can do better :-)

Technically it fits in fine, and this *is* a content issue, an IA issue, no?

 So back to the basic idea ... I think there will be a need (also on
 other pages) to highlight certain things on page. So I'd like to
 propose some kind of action links in a common form (slight button, ...)
 that can be used across the page -- Ivan?

In addition, is anybody offering to actually produce buttons? For the
moment, I don't see any concrete offers...

 We'll try to get something that pleases everyone, but I must admit
 that it seems logical to me that the devs should have biggest say in
 what features to highlight before others in the New Features page...?

 Mmh, why should developers have the biggest say here?

Because we are talking about content on the page - it's a content
issue, not a graphic design issue, and I feel it's important to have
very open ears towards Michael about this...

 Although developers invest a lot of effort to work on important stuff,
 some of this work has almost no end-user related impact on LibreOffice
 (now). The job of marketing and UX is to help to connect the both (let's
 call it) worlds of users and development :-)

For me, Marketing is Florian and Italo... If they have issues to raise
then I'll be happy to listen to them. But this Features page is
something very relevant to development, and I want to try and satisfy
Michael's priorities and concerns as much as possible.

We will, of course, work to come up with a page that is attractively
presented and in keeping with the graphic charter, but - apart from
that - I don't really see Design playing a big role in the production
of this page...

But I think we can better talk about things during the confcall ;-)

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-website] Re: URGENT REQUEST: Install the News/Blogging module

2011-01-16 Thread Ivan M.
Hi David, Christian,

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:16 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi Christian, :-)

 On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 00:45, Christian Lohmaier
 lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I installed it at pumbaa, but there it hasn't been used yet, so before
 you didn't even try it out on the staging site, I'll not install it to
 the live site.

 I've been trying to test the blog module on pumbaa, but there seems to
 be something wrong on pumbaa... I've attached a screenshot showing the
 problem...

 In any case, if you could just install the Blog module straight on
 libreoffice.org, I think it will save us all a lot of wasted time and
 email... Thanks if so, Christian... Sorry for the inconvenience...

Is future development (of the theme) going to happen on the test
server or directly on the development server? If it's on the
development server (probably not the best idea IMO), could I please
get access?

Regards,
Ivan.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-16 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Charles Marcus
cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote:
 On 2011-01-15 4:41 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
 I would sincerely hope that this would not disappear in the near future,
 it would in my humble opinion, be a great shame to lose all that work.

 +100

 The integration of mail list  forums  newsgroups alone is worth
 using Drupal, assuming of course that it can indeed be accomplished as
 Michael described...

 Michael, I'm sure all of your hard work won't be wasted, hang in there...

I would love to contribute to a brighter future for this project. I am
however getting the feeling that the establishment of this project is
less of a step forward for community coordination and governance than
I was expecting.

The consultation process with the website mailing list and website
team members when establishing the Group of four was non-existent.
In fact I have seen a shout out to the documentation mailing list for
new contributors for the website, while there are already members
poised to help if consultation and coordination occurs, as we have
seen with the Drupal development. I believe that ignoring and
belittling this large contributor base is mis-management of the
website team by the Steering Committee, and that these active members
can be utilised given the right leaders.

I sincerely hope that my impression is incorrect, and will remain
subscribed to the mailing lists and waiting to see the establishment
of the membership committee and some forward thinkers elected to the
Board and Engineering Steering Committee.

I appreciate all of the public and private support that much of the
Drupal team and myself have received, Everyone has done an amazing
job. It is now in the SCs hands to allow the website team to work
collaboratively and constructively in a grass roots 'open' way, rather
than dictating what the website team 'will do' and designating
leaders.

Michael Wheatland

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Nightly builds machinery

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Sophie,

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Christian: will you take part of the work for the nightly builds (in other
 words: can I bother you with this ;-) ?

Sorry for the late reply, this was somewhat buried in the mail backlog
that I'm now working on

 Will that be a website team task or a developer team task, who will take
 care of that?

This is more a developer style task - as running the website is rather
different from doing builds...

While I myself didn't build on Windows yet, I'll provide my help in
maintaining it nevertheless.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [libreoffice-website] [Forum] How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Michael, *,

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Michael Wheatland
mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote:

 Your average end user
 will likely never search through mailing list threads,

The average end user will not search web-forums either.

My personal experience with forums is that they are useless for
technical, more complex questions, as most of the times it is clueless
people giving advice to other clueless people. Unless you're looking
for something obvious, most of the time a thread just lingers around
unanswered at all, or the one with the problem writes something like
Oh, solved my problem, can be closed and never bothered to state how
that person actually solved the problem. Or they are full of useless
suggestions that are not even covering the topic.
Again, my typical searches may be more challenging than those from
the average user, but I just hate all the noise that is in forums. I
only use one forum - for a well-seperated hobby. But those forums are
dedicated and exceptional in its quality (mainly to the few users it
has) - I used another one, but as the product is covered ran out of
production, it is idling along.
But I never use forums for software to to the lack of quality of the
answers therein.

 If we did provide a user forum, which I believe we should, using a
 dedicated forum system will provide far more functionality and
 usability,

That's what I've been saying from the very start..

 What do others think? Is the forum support option important for trust
 building and familiarity? What system would we use?

The ones that already exist. I absolutely don't see a reason for
creating yet another one. I think people agree on that one at least.

(and to avoid confusion: No, I don't consider nabble as a forum. Why I
personally don't like its's interface, I have no problem with
integrating it to the site as it seems technically easy to do)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] On Japanese l10n site

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Erich, *,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Erich Christian erich_...@irq.at wrote:
 Am 16.01.2011 11:42, schrieb Takeshi Abe:
 I would like to help to start Japanese l10n site which seems not
 launched yet.
 If it is OK, could you register ja.libreoffice.org and authorize me
 for editing the site?

 Prepared subsite and group, added you as subsite admin.
 We'll post the login link when things are ready.

 @ Christian:
 Please adjust apache for cs, ja, ml subsites, thanks.

Done (and thanks for the reminder)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Left margin for numbered lists

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Harri, *;

2011/1/16 Harri Pitkänen hatap...@iki.fi:

 It appears that list items within numbered (ol) lists are shifted a bit too
 much left. You can see the problem here:

  http://fi.libreoffice.org/lataa/asennusohjeet/macintosh/

 I'd expect the numbers to be aligned at the same level as the paragraph text.

This would only be possible with list-style-position:inside, but then
the second line of a li wouldn't align with the actual text-content
of the li (but with the numbering), and the numbering itself wouldn't
align-right anymore (when using more than 10 elements)

 The problem does not occur with ul lists where the CSS adds some padding for
 li elements to handle this. Experimenting with Firebug leads me to think that
 something like this might work as a fix for this problem:

 .typography ol li {
        margin-left: 21px;
 }

I didn't try to align it exactly, but rather used a bigger margin, as
there might be list with 10 items or more, and then it would look
mismatched again. so now ol-lists are clearly indented.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] On Japanese l10n site

2011-01-16 Thread Takeshi Abe
Hi Erich, Christian,

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:55:47 +0100, Christian Lohmaier 
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Erich Christian erich_...@irq.at wrote:
 Am 16.01.2011 11:42, schrieb Takeshi Abe:
 I would like to help to start Japanese l10n site which seems not
 launched yet.
 If it is OK, could you register ja.libreoffice.org and authorize me
 for editing the site?

 Prepared subsite and group, added you as subsite admin.
 We'll post the login link when things are ready.

 @ Christian:
 Please adjust apache for cs, ja, ml subsites, thanks.
 
 Done (and thanks for the reminder)
Thanks a lot for your fast work :)

Cheers,
-- Takeshi Abe

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Need assistance in Silverstripe navigation, wrt to pt-BR

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Oliver, *,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Olivier Hallot
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Just a couple of small but annoying glitches in the Silverstripe CMS

 1) in http://www.libreoffice.org/international-sites/

 the link to pt-br is not alive...

Read the hover-text...


 while we are here, Brazil in Brazilian is Brasil with an s. Therefore it
 should read Português (Brasil)...

Changed.

 2) the link http://pt-br.libreoffice.org leads to nowhere.

This is why the link is not active on the international-sites one.

 We should
 redirect it to http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/bem-vindo

 Can it be done?

You need to do it. As written earlier (basically everytime when a new
site is added: When you don't use home as the url-segment for your
homepage, you need to define your page explicitly as homepage by
filling out the Homepage for domain entry box within the CMS (on
the behaviour tab)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Hi Sophie, Christoph, :-)

I think you take some things too far. I fail to see the *need* to
remove this beautiful artwork, which is a tribute to LibreOffice that
we should be proud to showcase.

We're not a corporation, we're an Open Source community project
staffed by unpaid volunteers. You don't need to get so *heavy* about
things.

Plus, you have an approach that can give one the impression that we're
all under your orders, and that when you issue instructions then
people have to carry out what you say with no right to question or
discuss. :-D

Lighten up! Get real! ;-) Otherwise you'll find that there will be *no
more* contributors wanting to work for the project... Is that really
what you want?

The thing about the rejection of Windows screenshots was, IMO,
completely ridiculous. OO.org is *full* of Windows screenshots. *Many*
other project and sites on the Internet use screenshots taken under
Windows.

In any case, Sophie, I took 250 screenshots, all under Linux, and then
uploaded them in 2 sizes, just to humor your wishes. And I will remove
the screenshot you want removed, Christoph - just to humor you.

But you need adopt a different approach to things, especially when
it's someone else's time and work, and not your own.

And I do hope that Sophie is not going to get into the habit of
jumping in and verbally duffing me up everytime I don't immediately
agree with you! :-D I didn't know we had an undeclared fifth team
member there to back you up! :-D

So, guys, please don't take all the fun out of contributing to this project. ;-)

And as for and please upload the source data, so that anybody can
jump in... You cheeky rogue, Christoph Noack! a) Most people who
contribute artwork to this project do not provide their *source
files*. I asked Ivan multiple times to send me his source files for
the new theme, and never got any but 2 of them, even though I sent him
my complete set of source files produced for Nikash' template! b) If
you actually logged into the libreoffice.org site and took a look, you
would see that I already uploaded *all* my source files *days* ago! So
you are a bit out of order, my friend! :-D

Sophie, Christoph, please take a step back, take a deep breath, and
try and get things in perspective. ;-)

I know you don't really mean badly, but you do somewhat spoil the
contributor UX sometimes, with some attitudes that are rather out of
place! ;-)

Now, I'm not arguing further with you. Respond if you want, but I
won't answer you further in this thread for a couple of days, while I
get some work done by *clients who pay me*. (And I can tell you they
don't do my head in like you guys do!)

Ciao for now. :-)

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-16 Thread David Nelson
Parting shot: ;-)

Sophie, I can see you'll be *rejecting* my membership request when the
time comes, due to my insubordinate and non-conformist attitudes! :-D

Not good team material, what? :-D

David Nelson

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