Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Hi, 2011/2/8 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/2/6 Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch: Ok, I have restored my SSH key and got the login details from Flo, so I did some checks. User:Peacfata was NOT emailconfirmed! [...] Sophie told me by IRC: for one of the page you mentionned the user was (User creation log); 11:17:10 . . Xeniste (Talk | contribs | block) New user account and the page was created at 14:54:12 Xeniste has also not been emailconfirmed either. So if that hurdle isn't in action, then there's (IMHO) no real need for using recaptcha (unless the email-confirmation cannot be enforced in the short term). Of course if that hurdle is not enough to prevent spamming, then of course recaptcha should be added. We have to act QUICK now, the number of incoming pages is increasing fast: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchsearch=jobsbutton= And this is only for that keyword. Whoever has the right to install the reCapthcha should do it NOW. Bye Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Hello, Volker Merschmann wrote on 2011-02-09 10.14: We have to act QUICK now, the number of incoming pages is increasing fast:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchsearch=jobsbutton= And this is only for that keyword. Whoever has the right to install the reCapthcha should do it NOW. honestly, I don't get why the spam comes in, as confirm to edit is enabled, so users without a confirmed mail address should not be able to edit at all. Anyways, I've just installed the captcha as described on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA - Manuel, if you have any better idea, please let me know. :-) Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
On 2011-02-08 10:16 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote: I have used math captcha as you are suggesting. It doesn't work at all in my experience. Not sure if you are aware but computers are quite good at calculating math problems, usually better than humans. Same goes for image captchas... they don't work (in my experience) either. But as long as it is for registration only, I don't care so much... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
That seems to me to be very odd. Can I please have access to the database to investigate the situation? Am 9.2.2011 schrieb Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Hello, Volker Merschmann wrote on 2011-02-09 10.14: We have to act QUICK now, the number of incoming pages is increasing fast:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchsearch=jobsbutton= And this is only for that keyword. Whoever has the right to install the reCapthcha should do it NOW. honestly, I don't get why the spam comes in, as confirm to edit is enabled, so users without a confirmed mail address should not be able to edit at all. Anyways, I've just installed the captcha as described on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA - Manuel, if you have any better idea, please let me know. :-) Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Hi, 2011/2/6 Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch: Ok, I have restored my SSH key and got the login details from Flo, so I did some checks. User:Peacfata was NOT emailconfirmed! I have removed all the ConfirmEdit stuff from the configuration (an extension I have actually never seen in action before) and have instead put quite simple user privilege settings in place of which I know that they are working. Let's test these first before installing a captcha. As said we have been using reCaptcha before, but as far as I am concerned we have removed it from all our wikis a few years ago and we felt no need for it to come back yet. We should reconsider this, as Sophie just had to delete spam pages from fresh registered users again. Sophie told me by IRC: for one of the page you mentionned the user was (User creation log); 11:17:10 . . Xeniste (Talk | contribs | block) New user account and the page was created at 14:54:12 If there are other possibilities in tuning the site, please try. But we can't go on deleting that number of pages per day, that time could be used better. Bye Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Hi Volker, *, On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/2/6 Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch: Ok, I have restored my SSH key and got the login details from Flo, so I did some checks. User:Peacfata was NOT emailconfirmed! [...] Sophie told me by IRC: for one of the page you mentionned the user was (User creation log); 11:17:10 . . Xeniste (Talk | contribs | block) New user account and the page was created at 14:54:12 Xeniste has also not been emailconfirmed either. So if that hurdle isn't in action, then there's (IMHO) no real need for using recaptcha (unless the email-confirmation cannot be enforced in the short term). Of course if that hurdle is not enough to prevent spamming, then of course recaptcha should be added. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
On 09/02/11 05:42, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-02-06 4:16 AM, Mike Houben wrote: Just please don't use image captcha's... -10 to reCaptcha... Image captchas suck Use something like this: http://www.phplinkdirectory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8743 Charles, I have used math captcha as you are suggesting. It doesn't work at all in my experience. Not sure if you are aware but computers are quite good at calculating math problems, usually better than humans. In my experience image captchas are the only ones that work and ReCaptcha allows users to 'request another' or 'read via audio' options for accessibility and inclusion of people who may not be very literate in English, IMO a very important factor in an international community. + googol to ReCaptcha. - 3 billion to math captcha Maybe a simple +1 would do :) Michael Wheatland -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Hi Mike, On 06/02/2011 12:06, Mike Houben wrote: Hi Sophie, do you mean for registration or for which part of the wiki are you talking?$ Yes for registering a new user account. I don't like captcha, but that may avoid spam too. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
On 06/02/11 18:46, Mike Houben wrote: Hi Sophie, their [1] is no CAPTCHA. We should consider to put a small CAPTCHA their. Mike Could we install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReCAPTCHA I have global API keys for the service. In my experience ReCaptcha works better than other captcha tools. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 13:47 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi, 2011/2/6 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Michael Wheatland wrote on 2011-02-06 13.16: reCaptcha has good accessibility access as it also allows for the generated passcode to be read aloud via audio. http://www.google.com/recaptcha Does anyone have any issue with implementing reCaptcha? Manuel, do you know of any goot Captcha software and other measurements to protect from spamming? Seems we're suffering from spam, although e-mail verification is mandatory before editing pages. I remember that wiki.services.openoffice.org also got it's Captcha last year when the spam got to mouch. Maybe we can look over there and see what Clayton installed. It did not solve the problem to zero but to a manageable number. That's quite right - it will NOT drive it to zero, but in reality it works better on wiki then on forum as it seemd the human spamers tend to concentrate on forums/blogs and less so on wikis. Bye Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 13:47 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi, 2011/2/6 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: Michael Wheatland wrote on 2011-02-06 13.16: reCaptcha has good accessibility access as it also allows for the generated passcode to be read aloud via audio. http://www.google.com/recaptcha Does anyone have any issue with implementing reCaptcha? Manuel, do you know of any goot Captcha software and other measurements to protect from spamming? Seems we're suffering from spam, although e-mail verification is mandatory before editing pages. I remember that wiki.services.openoffice.org also got it's Captcha last year when the spam got to mouch. Maybe we can look over there and see what Clayton installed. It did not solve the problem to zero but to a manageable number. One more piece of information here - there is a new trend i spam, it is showing up on lots of forums and I believe in this case wikis also and that is to only register an account with the service (forum/wik) when the profile for that service allows a URL for your personal website, and then to start using Twitter to point to your personal profile page on that site - this one is a real pain and OOoForum for instance has been hit hard by it. It is fairly new, last couple of years, and I don't really know how it is working for their goal, to get the link into the search engines, but since it is rising perhaps it works..anyway, just to let you know. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Hi, Am 06.02.2011 14:28, schrieb drew: On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:13 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote: I made a dig in my mailarchive and found at that at OOo reCaptcha is used in combination with a Bad-behaviour-script http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bad_Behavior Excellent - I was just abut to send an email to Clayton to ask. I agree with Sophie that these Captcha can be a pain, but unfortunately there is really no way around it, for this, we should *explain* this on the page with the captch if possible, to show people we are interested in their support/backup but we need to save us from spam. then everyone could accept it. Karl-Heinz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
Not right now, my computer just died so I don't have my SSH private key at hand. Am 06.02.2011 15:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Can you install it? :-) Manuel Schneider wrote on 2011-02-06 15.08: We've been using reCaptcha in the past, it works fine. -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] CAPTCHA to subscribe to the wiki?
We've been using reCaptcha in the past, it works fine. /Manuel Am 06.02.2011 13:24, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi, Michael Wheatland wrote on 2011-02-06 13.16: reCaptcha has good accessibility access as it also allows for the generated passcode to be read aloud via audio. http://www.google.com/recaptcha Does anyone have any issue with implementing reCaptcha? Manuel, do you know of any goot Captcha software and other measurements to protect from spamming? Seems we're suffering from spam, although e-mail verification is mandatory before editing pages. Thanks, Florian -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
