Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-20 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

drew wrote on 2011-12-19 19:20:

Great - updated the wiki page with the basic information..

I'll send emails to the folks and ask them to update the columns, if
they don't mind doing so.


thanks a lot, Drew!

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-19 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

drew wrote on 2011-12-17 15:14:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services/registrations

as a start..


thanks a lot! May I forward you my internal list via private mail, and 
you update that page, would that be ok?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-19 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Marc Paré wrote on 2011-12-18 12:40:

DocumentFoundation.com; .org; .net; .xx (Country codes)
LibreOffice.com; .org; .net; .xx (Country codes)


plus libre-office.XX, document-foundation.XX and thedocumentfoundation.XX

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-19 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2011-12-18 05:44:


Was there any notice service that you ask to be informed when a domain
becomes available? I remember seeing something like that a number of
years ago, 5+ at least.


I guess there are, but I don't have any hands-on experience with them. A 
good WHOIS is available at www.dd24.net, but you can only check it 
manually via web.



Would TDF want to start looking at domains that have abbreviations that
could be associated with TDF/LO?


[...]



I know that company domains like overstock.com get to be o.co as an
easier way to remember the domain. These are called something specific,
but I cannot remember the name. You type o.co and then get
overstock.com. They call it a shortcut, but I remember some other


That could be risky, since there might be other rights attached to that 
name, so we would have to investigate first. However, I agree, a 
shortcut domain for posting links at Twitter or Identi.ca would be very 
nice.



Actually, if someone like me, orders a LibreOffice.xx, or a
documentfoundation.xx domain, how do we make sure it goes to the correct
TDF/LO site without using a redirecting script. I have a script that


Best is to write to hostmas...@documentfoundation.org, so we can 
directly connect our DNS servers.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-19 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 11:31 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hi,
 
 drew wrote on 2011-12-17 15:14:
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services/registrations
 
  as a start..
 
 thanks a lot! May I forward you my internal list via private mail snip

Great - updated the wiki page with the basic information..

I'll send emails to the folks and ask them to update the columns, if
they don't mind doing so.

//drew


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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-18 Thread Marc Paré

HI Tim,

Le 2011-12-17 23:44, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit :
Would TDF want to start looking at domains that have abbreviations 
that could be associated with TDF/LO? 

DocumentFoundation.com; .org; .net; .xx (Country codes)
LibreOffice.com; .org; .net; .xx (Country codes)

All other name variants (Libre.xx; LibreOffice-NA.US; LibreOfficeSuite 
etc.), not really, unless a specific domain name is adopted as 
important. For example LibOCon.com;org were bought for LibreOffice 
conference sites, but no need for any other suffix versions are 
necessary. There are just too many permutations and quite frankly, no 
need to buy these.


Usually, where country codes are involved, the respective countries 
(most) specify that you must be a resident of that particular country to 
own the country code domain. With projects such as these, usually, the 
project will want to protect its brand by acquiring the TLD domains and 
then the country code versions when it can afford to do so. Where a 
project has a strong membership, members will purchase the various 
country code versions on their own and promise to donate these once the 
project has the legal entity, funds and resources to hold these country 
versions. Which is what some of us have done. For example, I am holding 
the DocumentFoundation.ca and LibreOffice.ca for the TDF till they 
request the transfer to their name, and, I have expressed publicly that 
I will transfer these when requested. I have never had any problems with 
transferring domains back to projects.


As for redirection, the TDF will usually let holders of these domains 
know of their DNS coordinates to use for these domains. Failing this, a 
simple redirection is fine. As usual, and, as caveat, the owner of the 
country domain assumes all liability of the content in all cases of 
redirection.


Cheers,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-17 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

actually, there are several topics:

- Technically, best is indeed if people enter our DNS servers, so we 
have full control of the domain name, in case the domain names are for 
the official LO or TDF pages (like in countries where we cannot legally 
register the name as we are no residents there).


- Independent whether people forward to our pages or connect our DNS, 
they could - based on the jurisdiction of their country - be held liable 
for the contents, which is something they should keep in mind.


- Legally, we need to at least have an overview who registers a LO 
domain name. We are legally required to protect our trademark. Although 
I don't want to put too many limitations on people, legally we have to 
acknowledge the name use and grant them a license, in case our trademark 
policiy doesn't already do so.


In a nutshell: I agree that some detailed page with information on that 
topic would be helpful. Right now, we only have the trademark policy, 
which is rather generic.


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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-17 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 14:47 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Hello,
 
 actually, there are several topics:
 
 - Technically, best is indeed if people enter our DNS servers, so we 
 have full control of the domain name, in case the domain names are for 
 the official LO or TDF pages (like in countries where we cannot legally 
 register the name as we are no residents there).
 
 - Independent whether people forward to our pages or connect our DNS, 
 they could - based on the jurisdiction of their country - be held liable 
 for the contents, which is something they should keep in mind.
 
 - Legally, we need to at least have an overview who registers a LO 
 domain name. We are legally required to protect our trademark. Although 
 I don't want to put too many limitations on people, legally we have to 
 acknowledge the name use and grant them a license, in case our trademark 
 policiy doesn't already do so.
 
 In a nutshell: I agree that some detailed page with information on that 
 topic would be helpful.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services/registrations

as a start..

//drew

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-17 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi Marc,

Le 14/12/2011 17:06, Marc Paré a écrit :
 Could someone check on the LibreOffice.ca; LibreOffice.us sites? They
 are not working. Maybe the DNS are wrong?
 
 Also, do we not own the LibreOffice.fr site? 

Yes, this domain was already owned by someone when I wanted to buy it in
september 2010. I was only able to buy the domain documentfoundation.fr
which is redirected to documentfoundation.org

Best regards.
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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-17 Thread Marc Paré

HI JBF

Le 2011-12-17 13:06, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Le 14/12/2011 17:06, Marc Paré a écrit :

Could someone check on the LibreOffice.ca; LibreOffice.us sites? They
are not working. Maybe the DNS are wrong?

Also, do we not own the LibreOffice.fr site?

Yes, this domain was already owned by someone when I wanted to buy it in
september 2010. I was only able to buy the domain documentfoundation.fr
which is redirected to documentfoundation.org

Best regards.
JBF

Actually, if you Google the owner of the site NV2 Sarl you will notice 
that this individual has registered many websites with big ticket 
names and has Google ads on all of them. There is the same disclaimer 
on all the sites that he/they are not the owners of the software nor 
have they participated in its development. All of the registered sites 
are in France. There is quite a long list of these sites.


Cheers,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-17 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-12-14 11:06, Marc Paré a écrit :
Could someone check on the LibreOffice.ca; LibreOffice.us sites? They 
are not working. Maybe the DNS are wrong?


Also, do we not own the LibreOffice.fr site? There are Google ads on 
the front page and footer. It doesn't look like a site that is run by 
the TDF. In fact it almost looks like LibreOffice is endorsing some 
PDF software which I doubt we are doing. Someone should look into this.


All of the other NL LibreOffice.NL sites should be checked to see if 
they land on the appropriate pages.


LibreOffice.ca is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.us is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.de is OK
LibreOffice.es is OK
LibreOffice.it is OK
LibreOffice.jp is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.pt is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.br is NOT WORKING

Cheers,

Marc

As strange as it may seem, the LibreOffice.ca domain was available when 
I checked it. Weird! I registered the domain and it will be redirected 
to LibreOffice.org as soon as the redirection is propagated over the 
internet.


Florian: contact me off list if you would like to have it updated to 
your DNS settings as was done with the documentfoundation.ca domain.


As usual, I will transfer the domain to the TDF when requested to do so.

Cheers,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-16 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2011-12-15 05:39:


How many registration 2-digit country codes do we need?

One for every country or language that LO supports?

One for every country that has a group large enough to support its own
2-digit code?

Is there any rulings on who gets to have a LibreOffice.xx domain?


there are currently no fixed rules. The basic rule, although it sounds 
harsh, is: We own the trademark, so better ask us before you register 
anything. ;-)


What we did in the past is that many people were so kind to register 
domains with LibreOffice or TDF upon our agreement. They either 
connected our DNS servers directly, or forwarded to our website, and 
agreed to transfer the domain name to TDF upon our request.


For many countries, we cannot directly own the domain name, since you 
often need to be a resident of or incorporated in that country to be 
eligible for a registration.


We have registered quite a few domain names on our own, but of course 
not for all countries.


Hope that helps a bit,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-16 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 12/16/2011 04:58 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2011-12-15 05:39:


How many registration 2-digit country codes do we need?

One for every country or language that LO supports?

One for every country that has a group large enough to support its own
2-digit code?

Is there any rulings on who gets to have a LibreOffice.xx domain?


there are currently no fixed rules. The basic rule, although it sounds 
harsh, is: We own the trademark, so better ask us before you register 
anything. ;-)


What we did in the past is that many people were so kind to register 
domains with LibreOffice or TDF upon our agreement. They either 
connected our DNS servers directly, or forwarded to our website, and 
agreed to transfer the domain name to TDF upon our request.


For many countries, we cannot directly own the domain name, since you 
often need to be a resident of or incorporated in that country to be 
eligible for a registration.


We have registered quite a few domain names on our own, but of course 
not for all countries.


Hope that helps a bit,
Florian



That is why I registered LibreOffice-NA.us, instead of LibreOffice.US.  
I wanted it to look like a LibreOffice information site, but not one of 
the official sites.  It is a project site that helps promote LO and 
the things that complement it.  At that time, I did not see any 
page/text with suggested domain naming styles that someone like me could 
use to create their own web site that promotes LibreOffice and 
open-source.  It would be nice to see one written out.  Then, people 
will not make the mistake of making their domain be confused with one of 
the official LO sites.  If I registered LibreOffice.info, then it would 
be too close to the official looking domains of LO.  Adding the dash 
after LO was may way to stop that confusion, but still make it clear 
that the site was about LO.




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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-16 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 12/16/11 10:58 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2011-12-15 05:39:


How many registration 2-digit country codes do we need?

One for every country or language that LO supports?

One for every country that has a group large enough to support its own
2-digit code?

Is there any rulings on who gets to have a LibreOffice.xx domain?


there are currently no fixed rules. The basic rule, although it sounds 
harsh, is: We own the trademark, so better ask us before you register 
anything. ;-)


What we did in the past is that many people were so kind to register 
domains with LibreOffice or TDF upon our agreement. They either 
connected our DNS servers directly, or forwarded to our website, and 
agreed to transfer the domain name to TDF upon our request.


For many countries, we cannot directly own the domain name, since you 
often need to be a resident of or incorporated in that country to be 
eligible for a registration.


We have registered quite a few domain names on our own, but of course 
not for all countries.


Hope that helps a bit,
Florian

I think the easiest solution for those domains not being able to be 
owned why not point the domains to the TDF name servers and that way the 
TDF will have control over the DNS entries even if the domain isnt owned 
by the TDF?


Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-16 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 12/16/2011 08:39 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

On 12/16/11 10:58 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2011-12-15 05:39:


How many registration 2-digit country codes do we need?

One for every country or language that LO supports?

One for every country that has a group large enough to support its own
2-digit code?

Is there any rulings on who gets to have a LibreOffice.xx domain?


there are currently no fixed rules. The basic rule, although it 
sounds harsh, is: We own the trademark, so better ask us before you 
register anything. ;-)


What we did in the past is that many people were so kind to register 
domains with LibreOffice or TDF upon our agreement. They either 
connected our DNS servers directly, or forwarded to our website, and 
agreed to transfer the domain name to TDF upon our request.


For many countries, we cannot directly own the domain name, since you 
often need to be a resident of or incorporated in that country to be 
eligible for a registration.


We have registered quite a few domain names on our own, but of course 
not for all countries.


Hope that helps a bit,
Florian

I think the easiest solution for those domains not being able to be 
owned why not point the domains to the TDF name servers and that way 
the TDF will have control over the DNS entries even if the domain isnt 
owned by the TDF?


Regards

Jonathan Aquilina


Well, someone will have to own them.  But having your owned domain name 
point to someone else's owned domain, might not be either able to be 
done or not quite legal.  I know that if I create a domain with my 
registration service, they will not let me point it to any domain that 
is not my own.  [Or not make it easy for someone to do it, since I did 
not see how on their site].


Does TDF own a dedicated IP address and DNS server reference IP address 
that belongs to them alone?  If so, maybe it could happen with your 
description.




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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-16 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

SNIP
I think the easiest solution for those domains not being able to be 
owned why not point the domains to the TDF name servers and that way 
the TDF will have control over the DNS entries even if the domain 
isnt owned by the TDF?


Regards

Jonathan Aquilina


Well, someone will have to own them.  But having your owned domain 
name point to someone else's owned domain, might not be either able to 
be done or not quite legal.  I know that if I create a domain with my 
registration service, they will not let me point it to any domain that 
is not my own.  [Or not make it easy for someone to do it, since I did 
not see how on their site].


Does TDF own a dedicated IP address and DNS server reference IP 
address that belongs to them alone?  If so, maybe it could happen with 
your description.




It seems like the TDF is using name servers provided by the data center 
where they rent their servers from. These are the results of an NSLookup 
i did on the TDF domain.


thedocumentfoundation.org. 86400 INNSrobotns3.second-ns.com.
thedocumentfoundation.org. 86400 INNSrobotns2.second-ns.de.
thedocumentfoundation.org. 86400 INNSns1.first-ns.de.

I will have to do some more digging when I get back to the USA. I am 
curious though if i have a .com.mt domain now if i can have the 
registrar where i bought the domain from use different name servers then 
they provide. I honestly dont see why it cannot be done so that the TDF 
will have control over the DNS entries for a particular country domain.


Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-15 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-12-14 23:39, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions a écrit :
How many registration 2-digit country codes do we need? 
The domain names are being registered through TDF and yes, they are 
being bought and transferred to TDF when TDF requests it. I have bought 
and transferred a couple already. I believe the TDF already has a 
company through which it is registering/holding country domain names for 
LibreOffice and TDF as most country domain name holders must be a 
citizen of that particular country to register.


Cheers,

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[libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-14 Thread Marc Paré
Could someone check on the LibreOffice.ca; LibreOffice.us sites? They 
are not working. Maybe the DNS are wrong?


Also, do we not own the LibreOffice.fr site? There are Google ads on the 
front page and footer. It doesn't look like a site that is run by the 
TDF. In fact it almost looks like LibreOffice is endorsing some PDF 
software which I doubt we are doing. Someone should look into this.


All of the other NL LibreOffice.NL sites should be checked to see if 
they land on the appropriate pages.


LibreOffice.ca is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.us is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.de is OK
LibreOffice.es is OK
LibreOffice.it is OK
LibreOffice.jp is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.pt is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.br is NOT WORKING

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-14 Thread Marc Paré

Thanks for the info.

Cheers

Marc

Le 2011-12-14 19:23, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit :

Libreoffice.br is impossible to register ? ... it should be something like .
org.br or .com.br

actually our libreoffice.org.br redirects to pt-br.libreoffice.org ...

cheers

Rogerio

2011/12/14 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com


Could someone check on the LibreOffice.ca; LibreOffice.us sites? They are
not working. Maybe the DNS are wrong?

Also, do we not own the LibreOffice.fr site? There are Google ads on the
front page and footer. It doesn't look like a site that is run by the TDF.
In fact it almost looks like LibreOffice is endorsing some PDF software
which I doubt we are doing. Someone should look into this.

All of the other NL LibreOffice.NL sites should be checked to see if they
land on the appropriate pages.

LibreOffice.ca is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.us is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.de is OK
LibreOffice.es is OK
LibreOffice.it is OK
LibreOffice.jp is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.pt is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.br is NOT WORKING

Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice.XX some sites do not work

2011-12-14 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


How many registration 2-digit country codes do we need?

One for every country or language that LO supports?

One for every country that has a group large enough to support its own 
2-digit code?


Is there any rulings on who gets to have a LibreOffice.xx domain?

How far are we willing to go?
LibreOffice.TV

   [.tv is actually an island nation's 2-digit code where - last time I
   knew - half of the money raised for registration goes to funding
   education and the other half goes to the company who got the
   contract to be the technical managers the .tv domain registrations]

LibreOffice.US [is used?]
LibreOffice.CA
LibreOffice.GB
LibreOffice.ZA
LibreOffice.org.CA
LibreOffice.com.CA
LibreOffice.net.CA
etc., etc.

Actually we could buy the domain of LibreOffice.SUITE, if we had the big 
money needed to create such a domain name suffix.  It was opened up this 
past year for you to have/create new domain suffixes as long as you 
paid the big fees.


I do hope that no one decides to buy LibreOffice.XXX, which is a legal 
one, but that suffix was founded for the pron industry, but not truly 
limited to that.


But seriously, there should be a published statement on what is the best 
policy on who should register a domain of LibreOffice.xx.  I created 
LibreOffice-NA.US to mean a LibreOffice site based in North America and 
specifically in the USA.  Also, adding the -NA after LibreOffice, I 
thought it could indicate that there is a project for LibreOffice with 
NA/North-America in its name. Or something like that.  Maybe there could 
be LibreOffice-CA.?? for Central America project with a country 2-digit 
code for Panama or other country in Central America.


We could use a guideline for domain naming.  We can not enforce it, 
since anyone can register a domain that is not taken yet.  But if we had 
a guideline ruling, it could be published somewhere, where is is easy to 
find.  Then people could have some tips on what is the best ways to name 
a LibreOffice domain, or at least one that looks more professional and 
understandable to what it is to represent.  pt.LibreOffice.org or 
LibreOffice.pt as Portuguese language version of the official LO web 
site.  Then LibreOffice-HI.pt as a LibreOffice project with Portuguese 
as its default language ,  or like .us would be American/USA 
English as its default language or project location.


It would be more professional for LibreOffice to publish such a 
guideline.  It would make sense to do so.  Also, if TDF/LO had the cash 
to do so, they should register most of the popular domain suffixes and 
country codes like .com, .net, .us, .ca, .info, .mobi, .me, .co, .biz, 
.asia, .tv, and so forth, and so forth.  .tv cost about $40 a year, 
where .asia is about $20.  .info is right now on sale for $2 instead 
of $12 per year.  .info might be good.  LibreOffice.Info as a web URL 
for information about LibreOffice.  .org was originally for 
not-for-profit organizations or groups.


Well, that is my 20 cents worth, instead of just 2 cents.

On 12/14/2011 09:02 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Thanks for the info.

Cheers

Marc

Le 2011-12-14 19:23, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit :
Libreoffice.br is impossible to register ? ... it should be something 
like .

org.br or .com.br

actually our libreoffice.org.br redirects to pt-br.libreoffice.org ...

cheers

Rogerio

2011/12/14 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com

Could someone check on the LibreOffice.ca; LibreOffice.us sites? 
They are

not working. Maybe the DNS are wrong?

Also, do we not own the LibreOffice.fr site? There are Google ads on 
the
front page and footer. It doesn't look like a site that is run by 
the TDF.

In fact it almost looks like LibreOffice is endorsing some PDF software
which I doubt we are doing. Someone should look into this.

All of the other NL LibreOffice.NL sites should be checked to see if 
they

land on the appropriate pages.

LibreOffice.ca is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.us is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.de is OK
LibreOffice.es is OK
LibreOffice.it is OK
LibreOffice.jp is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.pt is NOT WORKING
LibreOffice.br is NOT WORKING

Cheers,

Marc

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