Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice Fresh not explained and inconsistent
The new website design decided to change the things. Wording included. Fresh now refers to the version that is not as stable as the current line you are using and is currently for the more adventurous users. Right now your Mom is using the current 4.1.x line that is at 4.1.5. The Fresh version/line is at 4.2.1 and is meant for those more adventurous early adopters, and not people like your Mom [most likely]. Yes, you know this, but I think we really need to find a better words to replace Fresh and Stable. Others may not and need to be given a warning that the newest version of the 4.2.x line is not for those users that do not like to be an early adopter or something like that. Most moms and dads would not. I know mine would not. Most of the people who live in my apartment building would not either. In April 4.1.6 will be out and that will be the end of the 4.1.x line. Then, when 4.2.x gets to 4.2.4, a lot of users switch over that that line. Personally, I would let you Mom know that she should update to 4.1.5. That is what I am currently using, both on Windows and Linux. As for the automatically forwarding to the Fresh page, other will need to look at that. I am one of those people who think the download page system should not go to the early adopter version of LibreOffice. It currently should go to 4.1.5 and inform you that 4.2.1 exists and that is it for those who are more adventurous users who would like to be an early adopter of the new line. In a few months, the 4.3.x line will be started and then it will be for the early adopters, while the 4.2.x line will be at the more stable stage with versions 4.2.4 or 4.2.5 available for download. On 03/11/2014 07:12 AM, Johannes Dewender wrote: Hello LibreOffice Website Guys, My mom got a notification in LibreOffice that an LibreOffice 4.1.5 is available (she had 4.1.3 or similar). The only choice was a manual update which opened the browser at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ which automatically forwarded to http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ And there was a LibreOffice Fresh 4.2.1 available. So two confusions arose: 1. What the Heck is LibreOffice Fresh? 2. Why are (normal) users advised to go for 4.1.5, but the website redirects to 4.2.1? To be precise on the Naming/Explaining inconsistency: I could not find LibreOffice Fresh explained anywhere. The string just appears. Not even one sentence what this is about. https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ introduces 4.2.* but also no mentioning of Fresh. Additionally the usage of that string isn't even at all consistent: At http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ on the bottom I see 4.1.5 *and* 4.2.1 listed as stable. Under http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?type=rpm-x86_64version=4.1.5lang=en-US you do get 4.1.5 under the LibreOffice Fresh label. Anyways, the idea to have an early adopters version labeled LibreOffice Fresh is fine, but that needs to be communicated! Yes, some users wouldn't care if it says LibreOffice Trojan Edition and install it anyways, but others actually do read what it says and get more and more confused the more they try to find out what this means. Greetings JonnyJD -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice Fresh not explained and inconsistent
Hello Tim, all, Le 2014-03-11 15:25, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : The new website design decided to change the things. Wording included. Fresh now refers to the version that is not as stable as the current line you are using and is currently for the more adventurous users. Right now your Mom is using the current 4.1.x line that is at 4.1.5. The Fresh version/line is at 4.2.1 and is meant for those more adventurous early adopters, and not people like your Mom [most likely]. Well, that is your own judgement and perception. That is also the judgement of the person who started the thread -I'm fine with that- however: Fresh is supposed to convey the meaning of new. Stable means... stable, but really stable. But remember: both are stable anyway, otherwise they would not be released, and they would be called betas, or release candidates, etc. Yes, you know this, but I think we really need to find a better words to replace Fresh and Stable. There was a discussion on this on the marketing list. I really did not pull it out of my head Others may not and need to be given a warning that the newest version of the 4.2.x line is not for those users that do not like to be an early adopter or something like that. Most moms and dads would not. Again, that is your own perception. You define a type of user that may exist, but plenty of other people can enjoy the fresh version with no worries at all. Again, the fresh version is a stable but more recent version of the new branch. Or are you suggesting that Most moms and dads are using the Firefox ESR and not the most recent and stable version (the 27)? I know mine would not. Mine happily use the fresh one... Most of the people who live in my apartment building would not either. In April 4.1.6 will be out and that will be the end of the 4.1.x line. Then, when 4.2.x gets to 4.2.4, a lot of users switch over that that line. Personally, I would let you Mom know that she should update to 4.1.5. That is what I am currently using, both on Windows and Linux. As for the automatically forwarding to the Fresh page, other will need to look at that. That was in the specs. And others will need to look at that : well we have always pushed the new branch first. Ever since the beginning of the project. And this is only following the line, so to speak. The moment I'll be told by the board to switch to the old branch as the default I'll do it, but that will be some major piece of news to me and many others. I am one of those people who think the download page system should not go to the early adopter Tim: you call it the early adopter version. We don't. It is NOT an early adopter version. An early adopter version is the beta we are releasing, and the daily builds you can also download in the download section. On top of this, Libreoffice is an office suite. Not a brand new type of web service or a space shuttle. An early adopter of an office suite is someone living in the eighties or perhaps the nineties. Now we have users who have the need for ultra stable versions (like professionals) and people who can use the most recent, yet stable version. Early adopters is something we are constantly looking for as they help us test the suite before it becomes fresh. version of LibreOffice. It currently should go to 4.1.5 and inform you that 4.2.1 exists and that is it for those who are more adventurous users who would like to be an early adopter of the new line. Again, see my point above. That's your own perception and it goes against everything we do. Our most recent branch is not the unstable branch. It's not a beta version. It's a stable version that's stable enough to be released as such. Best, Charles. In a few months, the 4.3.x line will be started and then it will be for the early adopters, while the 4.2.x line will be at the more stable stage with versions 4.2.4 or 4.2.5 available for download. On 03/11/2014 07:12 AM, Johannes Dewender wrote: Hello LibreOffice Website Guys, My mom got a notification in LibreOffice that an LibreOffice 4.1.5 is available (she had 4.1.3 or similar). The only choice was a manual update which opened the browser at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ which automatically forwarded to http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ And there was a LibreOffice Fresh 4.2.1 available. So two confusions arose: 1. What the Heck is LibreOffice Fresh? 2. Why are (normal) users advised to go for 4.1.5, but the website redirects to 4.2.1? To be precise on the Naming/Explaining inconsistency: I could not find LibreOffice Fresh explained anywhere. The string just appears. Not even one sentence what this is about. https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ introduces 4.2.* but also no mentioning of Fresh. Additionally the usage of that string isn't even at all consistent: At http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ on the bottom
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice Fresh not explained and inconsistent
On 03/11/2014 11:47 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Tim, all, Le 2014-03-11 15:25, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : The new website design decided to change the things. Wording included. Fresh now refers to the version that is not as stable as the current line you are using and is currently for the more adventurous users. Right now your Mom is using the current 4.1.x line that is at 4.1.5. The Fresh version/line is at 4.2.1 and is meant for those more adventurous early adopters, and not people like your Mom [most likely]. Well, that is your own judgement and perception. That is also the judgement of the person who started the thread -I'm fine with that- however: Fresh is supposed to convey the meaning of new. Stable means... stable, but really stable. SO when 4.1.6 comes out - that will be listed as Fresh? But remember: both are stable anyway, otherwise they would not be released, and they would be called betas, or release candidates, etc. Yes, you know this, but I think we really need to find a better words to replace Fresh and Stable. There was a discussion on this on the marketing list. I really did not pull it out of my head Others may not and need to be given a warning that the newest version of the 4.2.x line is not for those users that do not like to be an early adopter or something like that. Most moms and dads would not. Again, that is your own perception. You define a type of user that may exist, but plenty of other people can enjoy the fresh version with no worries at all. Again, the fresh version is a stable but more recent version of the new branch. Or are you suggesting that Most moms and dads are using the Firefox ESR and not the most recent and stable version (the 27)? Most Moms and Dads I deal with, including mine, can barely deal with a browser or email client. Of course, most of them I deal with are over 65 and some [like my parents] are over 80. Now the parents that grew up with computers may be very good at using the computer, but I have dealt with some under 30 people that have to have their system installed since they think it is OK to remove the anti-virus and firewall software while using always on broadband Internet connections. I make a lot of money every year rebuilding those systems and hearing about the lost photos and such. I know mine would not. Mine happily use the fresh one... Most of the people who live in my apartment building would not either. In April 4.1.6 will be out and that will be the end of the 4.1.x line. Then, when 4.2.x gets to 4.2.4, a lot of users switch over that that line. Personally, I would let you Mom know that she should update to 4.1.5. That is what I am currently using, both on Windows and Linux. As for the automatically forwarding to the Fresh page, other will need to look at that. That was in the specs. And others will need to look at that : well we have always pushed the new branch first. Ever since the beginning of the project. And this is only following the line, so to speak. The moment I'll be told by the board to switch to the old branch as the default I'll do it, but that will be some major piece of news to me and many others. I am one of those people who think the download page system should not go to the early adopter Tim: you call it the early adopter version. We don't. It is NOT an early adopter version. An early adopter version is the beta we are releasing, and the daily builds you can also download in the download section. On top of this, Libreoffice is an office suite. Not a brand new type of web service or a space shuttle. An early adopter of an office suite is someone living in the eighties or perhaps the nineties. Now we have users who have the need for ultra stable versions (like professionals) and people who can use the most recent, yet stable version. Early adopters is something we are constantly looking for as they help us test the suite before it becomes fresh. Well how many people would call 4.3.0 an early adopter version? It seems that every .0 version has been pushed over the current release of the previous line. As long as there is some text stating that these .0 versions are not for the business users, or the 99% up-time users, then I will be happy. [ Of course, for me, as a Linux user, I tend to deal with things in a little different light than the typical Windows users. I like my OS to be more stable and less likely to have a virus or malware that I can get with Windows. So I run Linux. The only beta software I run is one that I cannot get the previous version to install on Ubuntu 13.xx or Mint 16 - Kompozer. It would be nice to find a WYSIWYG dedicated web page editor for the newer versions of Ubuntu-based OS. Yes, Writer can do it, but I prefer to use a dedicated software. If I could not find a non-repository install for Kompozer, then I would use Writer. I sometimes use it anyways, just
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice Fresh not explained and inconsistent
SO when 4.1.6 comes out - that will be listed as Fresh? No - 4.1 branch is stable. Just because 4.1.6 is a new release within 4.1 branch does not make it fresh. The number of commits that make it in 4.1 branch currently is much lower than those that make it into 4.2 because they go through additional testing to avoid (or try to avoid) introducing regressions into 4.1 branch. Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
