Re: [weewx-user] Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

2020-04-03 Thread Alex Rodriguez 
If we already have an API key with DarkSky, are you thinking we would be able 
to keep DarkSky and switch whenever we want?

Congrats on the baby!

> On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Pat  wrote:
> 
> It's more work upfront but the skin can convert units.
> 
> If weather alerts are gone (which so far looks like they will be when DarkSky 
> goes away), then I am leaning back to yr.no. Another appeal for yr.no in my 
> reading is that for yr.no is no API key is needed, no developer account - "it 
> just works". Just need to put some credits on the about page. 
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:05:49 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
> Metric is not used in the US would be the problem.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 10:37 AM steeple ian > wrote:
> Quote from yr.no  website: -
> 
> "A new Yr API is on the way!
> 
> We are working on a new and modern API, that we plan to release some time in 
> the winter 2019. Make sure you visit this site to keep posted!"
> 
> I am not sure why metric only is so much of a problem anyway, but maybe that 
> will be fixed in the new API anyway.
> 
> From a personal point of view, I use forecasting services from YR DarkSky, 
> WU, and UK Metoffice. I know it can be subjective but for my location YR is 
> by far the most accurate.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pat > wrote:
> yr.no  isn't commercially owned, so the theory is they won't 
> get bought out or go away. They're owned by the Norwegian Broadcasting 
> Corporation and the Norwegian Meteorological Institute. That said, it's only 
> in metric, does not have weather alerts and is in XML format only. 
> 
> The pro is that they don't seem at risk of being purchased and going away. 
> The con is it may not be a good fit for how the skin is being used. 
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 10:01:39 AM UTC-4, G Hammer wrote:
> I'd say OWM, simply because I see no way to get anything except metric/C from 
> yr.no 
> 
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-4, Pat wrote:
> I'm sure the Belchertown skin could benefit from the forecasts plugin, but 
> Belchertown does more than that. It shows weather alerts for your location as 
> well as current conditions. The forecasting plugin doesn't provide those 2 
> bits. For that you need a service, and if you're getting info from the 
> service (in my opinion), one stop shop for it (get the forecast too). 
> 
> As for maintaining a plugin base for each region/location, that's not 
> something I can develop or support right now. The JSON would have to be 
> formatted exactly for each service in order to support the current way of 
> updates. Again, this is a simple task for 1 provider who has all this data 
> for worldwide regions
> 
> I understand that OWM could become the next DarkSky but I think it's the best 
> option for what we have right now. The free tier should be able to provide 
> enough data to replace DarkSky. 
> 
> It's just a matter of time on my end.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4, William Burton wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:34:46 PM UTC-4, Wes Witt wrote:
> how about implementing a design that allows for weather forecast 
> extensions/plugins. then regional plugins can be built and allow the user to 
> choose the weather forecast service that is best for them. this way you don't 
> need a single service that works for everyone. it can be very difficult to 
> find a service that works everywhere and if you can find one it may result in 
> a low bar terms of quality and features from the service.
> 
> I was thinking the exact same thing as it doesn't make sense for every skin 
> author to have to implement forecasting from scratch. There are many API's 
> and there won't be one that works for everyone everywhere.
> 
> The weewx-forecast extension (https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-forecast 
> ), already handles the 
> following weather forecasting services:
> 
>   US National Weather Service (NWS)
>   the weather underground (WU)
>   open weathermap (OWM)
>   UK Met Office (UKMO)
>   Aeris Weather
>   World Weather Online (WWO)
>   Dark Sky (DS)
>   Zambretti
> 
> The extension also handles tide predictions using xtide.
> 
> My thought was to enhance the weewx-forecast extension to:
> Output a generic JSON file that can be loaded via Ajax into a theme. As much 
> as possible, the JSON would be generated in a manner that's consistent across 
> different API implementations to make it easier to incorporate into a skin.
> Output one or more include files that can be included into other skins.
> Skins like Belchertown can incorporate this output using either method as 
> appropriate. The end result is it would be far easier for skin maintainers to 
> expand forecasting options.
> 
> The benefit to this approach is the ability to support many more options for 
> forecasting more widely. However, a small drawback is users of

Re: [weewx-user] Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

2020-03-31 Thread Colin Larsen 
Congratulations Pat, trying times, hope you and are your family stay well

Colin

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, 07:10 steeple ian,  wrote:

> Congratulations Pat
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:03 PM Pat  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I'm a bit tied up and offline with the birth of my new
>> daughter, but I got news today that DarkSky has been acquired by Apple. For
>> existing API users, API will remain online until 2021, but they are not
>> accepting any new sign ups.
>>
>> That's the sad reality of using free hosted services - they can be shut
>> down without a moments notice.
>>
>> I'll research a new method for local conditions and forecasts. If anyone
>> knows of any that are free and has a public API, please let me know!
>>
>> ( Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet! )
>>
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Re: [weewx-user] Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

2020-03-31 Thread steeple ian 
Congratulations Pat

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:03 PM Pat  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I'm a bit tied up and offline with the birth of my new
> daughter, but I got news today that DarkSky has been acquired by Apple. For
> existing API users, API will remain online until 2021, but they are not
> accepting any new sign ups.
>
> That's the sad reality of using free hosted services - they can be shut
> down without a moments notice.
>
> I'll research a new method for local conditions and forecasts. If anyone
> knows of any that are free and has a public API, please let me know!
>
> ( Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet! )
>
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[weewx-user] Changes with Belchertown skin & DarkSky

2020-03-31 Thread Pat 
Hi everyone, I'm a bit tied up and offline with the birth of my new 
daughter, but I got news today that DarkSky has been acquired by Apple. For 
existing API users, API will remain online until 2021, but they are not 
accepting any new sign ups. 

That's the sad reality of using free hosted services - they can be shut 
down without a moments notice. 

I'll research a new method for local conditions and forecasts. If anyone 
knows of any that are free and has a public API, please let me know! 

( Maybe it's a good thing I haven't released 1.1 yet! ) 

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