Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Aldo B]

Hi,
this would be very interesting to include in the main program, if I 
understand correctly you found a solution to Fine Offset lock-ups?

Il giorno venerdì 24 novembre 2023 alle 22:14:29 UTC+1 Greg from Oz ha 
scritto:


One issue I have is the USB drops sometimes but I have set up monit program 
to check and restart.

ERROR weewx.drivers.fousb: get_observations failed: [Errno 19] No such 
device (it may have been disconnected)


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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[WindnFog]

Correction on my typo.  That should be "I was calculating $day.humidex.max, 
$month.humidex.max, etc.," not "I was $day.humidex.max, $month.humidex.max, 
etc.,"

- Paul VE1DX

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-4 WindnFog wrote:

> It works.  I am still using the old Standard skin, and it seems to be 
> working as well as on v4.10.2. Here's v5.0.0b15:
>
> https://ve1dx.net/v5/
>
> And here is v4.10.2:
>
> https://ve1dx.net/
>
> We can conclude that  "weectl extension install" works in the venv. Also, 
> I was $day.humidex.max, $month.humidex.max, etc., on the incorrect 
> assumption that the time they occurred would be the same as the 
> corresponding heat index (they are close in time but not necessarily the 
> same.) Thus, Tom's enhancement to include derived parameters in the same 
> manner as measured parameters seems to work well.
>
> I need to clean up those tables on the left side of the page, but that is 
> not a v4 vs v5 issue.  That's my sloppy html . . .
>
> - Paul VE1DX
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-4 vince wrote:
>
>> Why not try it as a tester and tell THEM ?
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-8 WindnFog wrote:
>>
>> WeeWx v5.0.0b15 seems to be working fine. I want to add Mathew's Sftp 
>> extension and put the files on my VPS web server in a non-public directory 
>> for now.  I use that extension on my production 4.10.2 weewx version. I 
>> need to use keyed SFTP to upload; this extension does what I want on pre-v5 
>> versions.
>>
>> I can add it using weectl according to the documentation. The question: 
>> is the https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-sftp extension compatible 
>> with WeeWx v5?  My guess is it is, but I'd be happier if one of the 
>> developers could give me a yes or no.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[WindnFog]

It works.  I am still using the old Standard skin, and it seems to be 
working as well as on v4.10.2. Here's v5.0.0b15:

https://ve1dx.net/v5/

And here is v4.10.2:

https://ve1dx.net/

We can conclude that  "weectl extension install" works in the venv. Also, I 
was $day.humidex.max, $month.humidex.max, etc., on the incorrect assumption 
that the time they occurred would be the same as the corresponding heat 
index (they are close in time but not necessarily the same.) Thus, Tom's 
enhancement to include derived parameters in the same manner as measured 
parameters seems to work well.

I need to clean up those tables on the left side of the page, but that is 
not a v4 vs v5 issue.  That's my sloppy html . . .

- Paul VE1DX

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-4 vince wrote:

> Why not try it as a tester and tell THEM ?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-8 WindnFog wrote:
>
> WeeWx v5.0.0b15 seems to be working fine. I want to add Mathew's Sftp 
> extension and put the files on my VPS web server in a non-public directory 
> for now.  I use that extension on my production 4.10.2 weewx version. I 
> need to use keyed SFTP to upload; this extension does what I want on pre-v5 
> versions.
>
> I can add it using weectl according to the documentation. The question: is 
> the https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-sftp extension compatible with 
> WeeWx v5?  My guess is it is, but I'd be happier if one of the developers 
> could give me a yes or no.
>
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[vince]

Why not try it as a tester and tell THEM ?

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-8 WindnFog wrote:

WeeWx v5.0.0b15 seems to be working fine. I want to add Mathew's Sftp 
extension and put the files on my VPS web server in a non-public directory 
for now.  I use that extension on my production 4.10.2 weewx version. I 
need to use keyed SFTP to upload; this extension does what I want on pre-v5 
versions.

I can add it using weectl according to the documentation. The question: is 
the https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-sftp extension compatible with 
WeeWx v5?  My guess is it is, but I'd be happier if one of the developers 
could give me a yes or no.


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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[WindnFog]

WeeWx v5.0.0b15 seems to be working fine. I want to add Mathew's Sftp 
extension and put the files on my VPS web server in a non-public directory 
for now.  I use that extension on my production 4.10.2 weewx version. I 
need to use keyed SFTP to upload; this extension does what I want on pre-v5 
versions.

I can add it using weectl according to the documentation. The question: is 
the https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-sftp extension compatible with 
WeeWx v5?  My guess is it is, but I'd be happier if one of the developers 
could give me a yes or no.

- Paul VE1DX
On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-4 vince wrote:

> Paul - I updated my script to be more flexible for vagrant vs. running on 
> top of a native os, if you wanted to give the new one a try.
>
> In the updated script I switched gears a little to have weewx write 
> through a symlink into a new /var/www/hmtl/weewx subdirectory which is 
> safer from a security standpoint.   The commands it runs to do so are down 
> around line 160 in the updated script if you wanted to do them manually. 
>  It points weewx at a new subdirectory in nginx's document root.
>
> A little cleanup would be needed to run those commands if you've 
> previously run the earlier version of my script that symlinks the other way 
> (points nginx at weewx $HOME).
>
> A run on a clean system with no $HOME/weewx-data or $HOME/weewx-venv tree 
> will work fine (tested on a pi) with the weewx web pages via 
> http://yourhost_or_ip/weewx as the URL and the actual data being written 
> to /var/www/html/weewx on the filesystem.
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Greg from Oz]

I am running v5 and I am nowhere near being an expert.
It works fine.
One issue I have is the USB drops sometimes but I have set up monit program 
to check and restart.

ERROR weewx.drivers.fousb: get_observations failed: [Errno 19] No such 
device (it may have been disconnected)

https://weather.ubeaut.work/
On Friday, 24 November 2023 at 03:40:24 UTC+11 WindnFog wrote:

> Thanks, Vince.  It seems to be working well on my "play" system and 
> displaying the site on Firefox.  I've got a few other things to work on for 
> a day or two, so I'll just let it run for now.
>
> - Paul VE1DX
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-4 vince wrote:
>
>> Paul - I updated my script to be more flexible for vagrant vs. running on 
>> top of a native os, if you wanted to give the new one a try.
>>
>> In the updated script I switched gears a little to have weewx write 
>> through a symlink into a new /var/www/hmtl/weewx subdirectory which is 
>> safer from a security standpoint.   The commands it runs to do so are down 
>> around line 160 in the updated script if you wanted to do them manually. 
>>  It points weewx at a new subdirectory in nginx's document root.
>>
>> A little cleanup would be needed to run those commands if you've 
>> previously run the earlier version of my script that symlinks the other way 
>> (points nginx at weewx $HOME).
>>
>> A run on a clean system with no $HOME/weewx-data or $HOME/weewx-venv tree 
>> will work fine (tested on a pi) with the weewx web pages via 
>> http://yourhost_or_ip/weewx as the URL and the actual data being written 
>> to /var/www/html/weewx on the filesystem.
>>
>>

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[WindnFog]

Thanks, Vince.  It seems to be working well on my "play" system and 
displaying the site on Firefox.  I've got a few other things to work on for 
a day or two, so I'll just let it run for now.

- Paul VE1DX

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 5:07:19 PM UTC-4 vince wrote:

> Paul - I updated my script to be more flexible for vagrant vs. running on 
> top of a native os, if you wanted to give the new one a try.
>
> In the updated script I switched gears a little to have weewx write 
> through a symlink into a new /var/www/hmtl/weewx subdirectory which is 
> safer from a security standpoint.   The commands it runs to do so are down 
> around line 160 in the updated script if you wanted to do them manually. 
>  It points weewx at a new subdirectory in nginx's document root.
>
> A little cleanup would be needed to run those commands if you've 
> previously run the earlier version of my script that symlinks the other way 
> (points nginx at weewx $HOME).
>
> A run on a clean system with no $HOME/weewx-data or $HOME/weewx-venv tree 
> will work fine (tested on a pi) with the weewx web pages via 
> http://yourhost_or_ip/weewx as the URL and the actual data being written 
> to /var/www/html/weewx on the filesystem.
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[vince]

Paul - I updated my script to be more flexible for vagrant vs. running on 
top of a native os, if you wanted to give the new one a try.

In the updated script I switched gears a little to have weewx write through 
a symlink into a new /var/www/hmtl/weewx subdirectory which is safer from a 
security standpoint.   The commands it runs to do so are down around line 
160 in the updated script if you wanted to do them manually.  It points 
weewx at a new subdirectory in nginx's document root.

A little cleanup would be needed to run those commands if you've previously 
run the earlier version of my script that symlinks the other way (points 
nginx at weewx $HOME).

A run on a clean system with no $HOME/weewx-data or $HOME/weewx-venv tree 
will work fine (tested on a pi) with the weewx web pages via 
http://yourhost_or_ip/weewx as the URL and the actual data being written to 
/var/www/html/weewx on the filesystem.

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[vince]

[...long answer follows just so it can be searched for in the future...]

Multiple ways to connect weewx and nginx up under the hood:

   - edit weewx.conf to set the document root to point to nginx's location
   - edit nginx/sites-enabled/default to point the document root to the 
   weewx location
   - or symlink them in one direction or the other so weewx writes to the 
   nginx tree, or so nginx reads from the weewx tree

I tend to use symlinks because then I don't need to change either nginx 
'or' weewx config files.  But there's no wrong way probably.

So since I use a symlink to connect weewx and nginx, for me the url would 
be http://yourhostname/weewx with one caveatthere's currently an error 
in the script that I need to fix.  On line 138 it creates a symlink to link 
the weewx public_html into the nginx server's document root.

# for a user 'vagrant'
sudo ln -s /home/vagrant/weewx-data/public_html /var/www/html/weewx

That's good for vagrant/VirtualBox which typically runs as user 
'vagrant'.but a pi user typically would run as user 'pi'
So for a user 'pi' which I'm guessing you are using on a pi, try this:

# for a user 'pi'
sudo ln -s /home/pi/weewx-data/public_html /var/www/html/weewx

[...shorter answer of what to do...]

   - For a user 'pi' run the revised command above and see if "ls 
   /var/www/html/weewx" resolves and shows you all the files weewx created. 
If so you're likely good.


   - Then try to open http://yourhostname_or_ip/weewx/ and see if the weewx 
   stuff is returned.
   

Note - you 'might' see permission denied messages in your nginx logs 
initially.  If so that is because the user/group nginx runs as can't read 
files in the pi user home directory.   One brute-force way to fix it would 
be "sudo chmod 755 /home/pi" which lets all accounts read stuff in the 'pi' 
home directory.  That's less than a great production thing to do from a 
security standpoint, but for a quick test locally it's probably ok.

I need to tweak the script a little to be more flexible and more ok 
security-wise, but this should get you going.


On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:43:05 AM UTC-8 WindnFog wrote:

That works great, Vince.  It seems to be running smoothly on Debian-12. Now 
for the dumb question.  It looks like the web page is under 
/root/weewx-data/public_html/ . . . how does a person view the web page 
using a browser?  I'm just using the Simulator for now on a Pi 4B.

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[WindnFog]

That works great, Vince.  It seems to be running smoothly on Debian-12. Now 
for the dumb question.  It looks like the web page is under 
/root/weewx-data/public_html/ . . . how does a person view the web page 
using a browser?  I'm just using the Simulator for now on a Pi 4B.

- Paul VE1DX
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-3 vince wrote:

> FWIW, I have a github repo (here) 
>  with a bash 
> script that automates the v5 pip install, installs and configures nginx and 
> my 'mem' extension, hooks weewx into the nginx web, and starts it all up. 
>  I use this on pi and vagrant virtual machines to fiddle with the v5 beta.
>
> Works for me as a one-step installer on a 'clean' sacrificial system and 
> it's tested on several os variants.
>
>  Please read the toplevel readme file and do a quick read of the example 
> logfile it generates to see what it does step-by-step.
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Matthias Manhart]

Thanks Vince for the script - very helpful for testing. I could rebuild my 
weewx on a test raspberry pi 4 with the extensions cmon, mqtt, 
mqtt-subscribe and the Belchertown skin.

vince schrieb am Donnerstag, 31. August 2023 um 20:34:10 UTC+2:

FWIW, I have a github repo (here) 
 with a bash script 
that automates the v5 pip install, installs and configures nginx and my 
'mem' extension, hooks weewx into the nginx web, and starts it all up.  I 
use this on pi and vagrant virtual machines to fiddle with the v5 beta.

Works for me as a one-step installer on a 'clean' sacrificial system and 
it's tested on several os variants.

 Please read the toplevel readme file and do a quick read of the example 
logfile it generates to see what it does step-by-step.

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[vince]

FWIW, I have a github repo (here) 
 with a bash script 
that automates the v5 pip install, installs and configures nginx and my 
'mem' extension, hooks weewx into the nginx web, and starts it all up.  I 
use this on pi and vagrant virtual machines to fiddle with the v5 beta.

Works for me as a one-step installer on a 'clean' sacrificial system and 
it's tested on several os variants.

 Please read the toplevel readme file and do a quick read of the example 
logfile it generates to see what it does step-by-step.

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Tom Keffer]

The intention with V5 is to cleanly separate the WeeWX code base from "user
data." The latter is things such as weewx.conf, skins, the database, and,
yes, any user extensions.

So, instances can share the code base, but each have their own user data
area, with their own extensions (and extension.py; sorry about the name
overload).

Answering an earlier question on timelines: the weather is still too nice
here in Oregon to spend major amounts of time on V5. Expect a release a few
weeks after the rains start. :-)

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 7:24 AM Graham Eddy  wrote:

> in V5 i am assuming a single station can be created but separate
> weewx.conf’s used, as in V4 weewx-multi config, with the downside that they
> share same extensions.py i.e. not utilising V5’s design change
>
> in my case, i want same codebase and python modules available to all weewx
> instances but each with own extensions.py, so i have in mind to have a
> weewx user whose home dir has a single venv (shared codebase with pip
> install), and station create each instance (has its own extensions.py)
>
> i can see the case for separate venv for each station (conflicts,
> independence) but i don’t require that
> *⊣GE⊢*
>
> On 1 Sep 2023, at 12:09 am, Tom Hogland  wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of moving to v5. I have a Tempest and VP2 setup and running a
> custom weewx-multi. Seems like two venv setups would be a very simple way
> to replicate this...
>
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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Graham Eddy]

in V5 i am assuming a single station can be created but separate weewx.conf’s 
used, as in V4 weewx-multi config, with the downside that they share same 
extensions.py i.e. not utilising V5’s design change

in my case, i want same codebase and python modules available to all weewx 
instances but each with own extensions.py, so i have in mind to have a weewx 
user whose home dir has a single venv (shared codebase with pip install), and 
station create each instance (has its own extensions.py)

i can see the case for separate venv for each station (conflicts, independence) 
but i don’t require that
⊣GE⊢

> On 1 Sep 2023, at 12:09 am, Tom Hogland  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of moving to v5. I have a Tempest and VP2 setup and running a 
> custom weewx-multi. Seems like two venv setups would be a very simple way to 
> replicate this...

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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Tom Hogland]

I'm thinking of moving to v5. I have a Tempest and VP2 setup and running a 
custom weewx-multi. Seems like two venv setups would be a very simple way 
to replicate this...

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:52:26 PM UTC-8 Jon Fear wrote:

> From what I can see, looks promising however I think I will wait. I will 
> need to run two instances to capture from both the Wittboy and a Davis Vue 
> in the near future, I will do that once released. It will be good to be 
> able to compare datasets based on the same location.
>
> Is there a time line for release or is it "when it is ready"? I see there 
> is a new version of the Divumwx skin which will be ready about the time of 
> release. I would like to try that Beta though...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jon
>
>
> On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 07:00:56 UTC+1 Graham Eddy wrote:
>
>> my experiments with multiple instances and topologies have been very 
>> smooth with pip install - that is quite elegant.
>> i tried the documented github install and fell on my face, even after 
>> working out to select V5 to clone. i’m not github-savvy (but i look at the 
>> source code a lot) so ‘here be dragons’ might be a useful comment in the 
>> github install notes
>> *⊣GE⊢*
>>
>> On 31 Aug 2023, at 11:11 am, Tom Keffer  wrote:
>>
>> It's pretty stable. Most of the work now is about smoothing out the 
>> installation process. 
>>
>> -tk
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM DR  wrote:
>>
>>> I have looked gitHub and see there is a 5.0 beta out there.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am wondering if it is stable enough for a casual user to fiddle around 
>>> with it before official release, or should only experts be using it now 
>>> to test and give feedback to the developers?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious.  Dale
>>>
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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

['Jon Fear' via weewx-user]

>From what I can see, looks promising however I think I will wait. I will 
need to run two instances to capture from both the Wittboy and a Davis Vue 
in the near future, I will do that once released. It will be good to be 
able to compare datasets based on the same location.

Is there a time line for release or is it "when it is ready"? I see there 
is a new version of the Divumwx skin which will be ready about the time of 
release. I would like to try that Beta though...

Best wishes

Jon


On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 07:00:56 UTC+1 Graham Eddy wrote:

> my experiments with multiple instances and topologies have been very 
> smooth with pip install - that is quite elegant.
> i tried the documented github install and fell on my face, even after 
> working out to select V5 to clone. i’m not github-savvy (but i look at the 
> source code a lot) so ‘here be dragons’ might be a useful comment in the 
> github install notes
> *⊣GE⊢*
>
> On 31 Aug 2023, at 11:11 am, Tom Keffer  wrote:
>
> It's pretty stable. Most of the work now is about smoothing out the 
> installation process. 
>
> -tk
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM DR  wrote:
>
>> I have looked gitHub and see there is a 5.0 beta out there.
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if it is stable enough for a casual user to fiddle around 
>> with it before official release, or should only experts be using it now 
>> to test and give feedback to the developers?
>>
>>
>> Just curious.  Dale
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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Graham Eddy]

my experiments with multiple instances and topologies have been very smooth 
with pip install - that is quite elegant.
i tried the documented github install and fell on my face, even after working 
out to select V5 to clone. i’m not github-savvy (but i look at the source code 
a lot) so ‘here be dragons’ might be a useful comment in the github install 
notes
⊣GE⊢

> On 31 Aug 2023, at 11:11 am, Tom Keffer  wrote:
> 
> It's pretty stable. Most of the work now is about smoothing out the 
> installation process. 
> 
> -tk
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM DR  > wrote:
>> I have looked gitHub and see there is a 5.0 beta out there.
>> 
>> 
>> I am wondering if it is stable enough for a casual user to fiddle around 
>> with it before official release, or should only experts be using it now 
>> to test and give feedback to the developers?
>> 
>> 
>> Just curious.  Dale
>> 
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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[DR]

Thanks.  Dale


On 8/30/2023 8:11 PM, Tom Keffer wrote:
It's pretty stable. Most of the work now is about smoothing out the 
installation process.


-tk

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM DR  wrote:

I have looked gitHub and see there is a 5.0 beta out there.


I am wondering if it is stable enough for a casual user to fiddle
around
with it before official release, or should only experts be using
it now
to test and give feedback to the developers?


Just curious.  Dale


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Re: [weewx-user] Is WeeWx 5.0 beta stable enough for non-experts to fool around with?

[Tom Keffer]

It's pretty stable. Most of the work now is about smoothing out the
installation process.

-tk

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM DR  wrote:

> I have looked gitHub and see there is a 5.0 beta out there.
>
>
> I am wondering if it is stable enough for a casual user to fiddle around
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> to test and give feedback to the developers?
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