Re: [Wesnoth-dev] Warning -- I am about to break the Windows and MacOS ports!

2007-05-15 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Monday 14 May 2007 21:35:04 Eric S. Raymond wrote:
  If it is really a problem we should probably use some more conventional
  filenames like _main.cfg instead of %main.cfg for example.

 Alas, it appears the ls(1) sort algorithm ignores all leading
 non-alphanumerics.
It depends on your system locale, when depending on the sort order it's always 
better to set your locale to C.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/test
% LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 ls
bar  foo  _foo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/test
% LC_ALL=C ls
_foo  bar  foo

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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] SotBE description a bit racy

2007-05-15 Thread John McNabb
Personally, I don't feel that there would be much loss to the
character of the Orcs if they said tree-huggers instead of
tree-shaggers.  Is it so important to the storyline for them to use
the more vulger phase that such a small change should not be made?

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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] SotBE description a bit racy

2007-05-15 Thread Eric S. Raymond
John McNabb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Personally, I don't feel that there would be much loss to the
 character of the Orcs if they said tree-huggers instead of
 tree-shaggers.  Is it so important to the storyline for them to use
 the more vulger phase that such a small change should not be made?

I don't think that's a small change. Not in idiomatic English, anyway.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] SotBE description a bit racy

2007-05-15 Thread John McNabb
Can you be more explicit about why it is not a small change as far as
its importance to the storyline of the campaign?

On 5/15/07, Eric S. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 John McNabb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Personally, I don't feel that there would be much loss to the
  character of the Orcs if they said tree-huggers instead of
  tree-shaggers.  Is it so important to the storyline for them to use
  the more vulger phase that such a small change should not be made?

 I don't think that's a small change. Not in idiomatic English, anyway.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] Directory objects -- proposed change in preprocessor behavior

2007-05-15 Thread Eric S. Raymond
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 why is core stuff inside the campaigns folder?

Because, in this draft of the reorganization, the 'campaigns'
folder really becomes a 'packages' folder with the name
'campaigns' kept for backwards compatibility.

Layout reproduced for reference:

 wesnoth
data
  campaigns
core
  images
  sounds
  music
Descent_Into_Darkness
  images
 :
Under_The_Burning_Suns
  images

With the name change, it would look like this:

wesnoth
   data
 packages
   core
 images
 sounds
 music
   Descent_Into_Darkness
 images
:
   Under_The_Burning_Suns
 images

I'm not sure yet, but I think it may make sense for multiplayer
to become a package too.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] SotBE description a bit racy

2007-05-15 Thread me
I agree tree-hugger would be ridiculous.

No one is suggesting that the orcs need to be polite.
But is it not in your power to cook up a less vulgar epithet for the
elves?
You managed it for the dwarves and humans.

-eleazar / j.w.bjerk


On May 15, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:

John McNabb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Can you be more explicit about why it is not a small change as far as
its importance to the storyline of the campaign?

It establishes character for the orcs.  They are the kind of beings who 
refer to elves as tree-shaggers.  Like the other epithets I cooked up
for them to use, it's both vulgar and faintly comical.  

Tree-hugger would be merely ridiculous -- makes 'em sound like 
crusty oldsters sneering at a Greenpeace rally.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] SotBE description a bit racy

2007-05-15 Thread Eric S. Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I agree tree-hugger would be ridiculous.
 
 No one is suggesting that the orcs need to be polite.
 But is it not in your power to cook up a less vulgar epithet for the
 elves?
 You managed it for the dwarves and humans.

Trust me, if I could have invented ruder and more vulgar epithets
for dwarves and humans without stepping over the line into scatology
or obscenity, I certainly would have.
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Re: [Wesnoth-dev] SotBE description a bit racy

2007-05-15 Thread Richard Kettering
Why are we having this discussion?  Why are we dedicating such  
_exegesis to a word that 10-year olds would openly laugh at for its  
quaintness?


This censorship is going way over its bounds, if you ask me.  I do  
not think it is doing anything to further its stated goal; and as  
evidenced by the existence of this discussion, it's an impediment to  
writing material for the game.  It's also a waste of our time.

A good rule of thumb for censorship is that if said censorship would,  
if fairly applied, flag the bible as unsuitable for children; then  
it's too strong.



On May 15, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I agree tree-hugger would be ridiculous.

 No one is suggesting that the orcs need to be polite.
 But is it not in your power to cook up a less vulgar epithet for the
 elves?
 You managed it for the dwarves and humans.

 Trust me, if I could have invented ruder and more vulgar epithets
 for dwarves and humans without stepping over the line into scatology
 or obscenity, I certainly would have.
 -- 
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