Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
Eng. Afi, This is a very professional piece and yet clear for an ordinary mind like mine to understand. It was good you gave the forum this engineering insight. Let me take it upon me to apologize on behalf of Caleb and Fr. Ruffino for having insisted you say your mind on this matter. The discussion emerged from a political perspective and honestly needed your technical dissection. Ismail --- From: George Afi Obitre-Gama To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 19:27:57 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S Ladies and Gentlemen, While I do not want to be drawn into politics though I am a politcal animal by nature and by insistence of Counsel A and Father R, I shall offer my humble input and/or opinion to some of the issues that have been a subject of continuing debate and/or discussions on this noble forum. Delay of Nyagak HPP While is is public knowledge that Nyagak HPP has delayed its commissioning, it is not enough to say that the delay is attributable to a single entity i.e the GoU. Nyagak HPP is a PPP(Private Public Partnership) between the GoU and WENRECo as the developement partner. The delay in commissioning lay squarely on the developer who did not do a thorough due diligence on the proposed contractor's technical and financial capability coupled by time loss of money!! But again, even if Nyagak was commissioned in time, the transmission adequacy of the system would not allow us to fully enjoy the hydropower. Even if tommorow, an investor erects and commissions a 50MW plant, we can only take about 2MW due to lack of adequacy of the line system. The current transmission adequacy of the West Nile system 'as is' is about 2MW and urgently requires an upgrade in order to evacuate only 3.5MW!! Connection to National Grid While I have been informed that there is a strategic plan to connect the West Nile region to the National Grid from Amuru(Olwiyo is proposed sub-station), this connection, as already stated, shall take sometime to be realised. Currently, Gulu, Lira and say the greater northern Line is supplied from Tororo. This line Tororo- Northern-Opuyo-Lira is only about 14.5 MW - is it enough? What about upgrading the transmission capacity in case of future off-takes? I don't know! First of all, this 14.5MW is not even enough for the region(Lira, Gulu, Kitgum, Pader,etc!!). What West Nile region needs to wait for is the Construction of Karuma HPP, Ayago HPP and the like. Someone asked for the costs of transmission lines - 33KV - about $ 30,000 - $45,000 per km, 132KV - about $700,000 - $1,000,000 per km!!! Big? Isn't it? These costs are without the corresponding sub-stations and distribution networks!! Brethren, all in all, we require collective effort and lobbying in realization of the connection to the National Grid. What we have to fight for in the meantime and tactically in the interim is the commissioning of Nyagak HPP, upgrading of the existing network, expanding the upgraded network to cover the whole of West Nile to pre-determined load centres, Construction of Nyagak II and Nyagak III as a cascade hydro system from Nyagak I. In my humble opinion, this is the fastest way we have in realization of electrification of the region from darkness which quite frankly requires a lot of political input from representatives of the people by the people - Mark my words:- Reps of the people by the people! The above is my take. Regards to all From: Ezama Ruffino To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 5:28:40 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S Christine Your question is clear. I seem to have read from Eng Ajedra the question as to why our elected MPs from WN could not connect WN to the national grid than construct Nyagak Dam whose work they are "hurrying slowly". What made them fail? What is your "engineer-able objective" which will make you succeed this time round. If Eng Afi is reading we are awaiting his input too as Counsel Alaka asked God bless ruffino ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] The Strategic Plan
Bwana Achile, this is a good idea which Jackson and Denis should look at too On 10/18/10, Achile Fendru wrote: > Mr. Alaka and the good team, I don’t know in what realm this would fall > within the plan or if somebody has already suggested this, but here it is. > How about specifically mentioning establishing and managing computer centers > in the towns like Nebbi, Arua, Koboko, Yumbe and Moyo? As ably attested to > here in the forum, our area and people are very poor. Some of our people may > want to learn or even follow some of the discussions and events happening > here on the net, but as we know they are not able to. If we could start with > these centers furnished with about 20 computers each and all connected to > the internet, could be a start. These days when we talk about literacy, > education and research, computers are the driving force. The more we expose > our youth to the 21st century technology, the better their chances of > competing in this global arena. > > > > Thanks > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Caleb Alaka wrote: > >> I would wish to remind members to look at our strategic plan once again. >> We need further inputs in order to finalize thesame. We have got some >> important input from Aliga Denis in terms of a blue print and >> JohnAJackson. >> We have attached a copy >> >> >> ___ >> WestNileNet mailing list >> WestNileNet@kym.net >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> >> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> All Archives can be found at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any >> way. >> ___ >> >> > ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Not a Manifesto for me
"To have a big fish in our amidst in any of our occassions is what we desire." Nice expression: but suppose the big is rotten, what a terrible smell! r ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
Hi Afi Thanks for this elaborate explanation. I like the way you have concluded by indicating the concrete (realistic) realization stages I appreciate your response to my call and that of Counsel A. God bless r ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
Ladies and Gentlemen, While I do not want to be drawn into politics though I am a politcal animal by nature and by insistence of Counsel A and Father R, I shall offer my humble input and/or opinion to some of the issues that have been a subject of continuing debate and/or discussions on this noble forum. Delay of Nyagak HPP While is is public knowledge that Nyagak HPP has delayed its commissioning, it is not enough to say that the delay is attributable to a single entity i.e the GoU. Nyagak HPP is a PPP(Private Public Partnership) between the GoU and WENRECo as the developement partner. The delay in commissioning lay squarely on the developer who did not do a thorough due diligence on the proposed contractor's technical and financial capability coupled by time loss of money!! But again, even if Nyagak was commissioned in time, the transmission adequacy of the system would not allow us to fully enjoy the hydropower. Even if tommorow, an investor erects and commissions a 50MW plant, we can only take about 2MW due to lack of adequacy of the line system. The current transmission adequacy of the West Nile system 'as is' is about 2MW and urgently requires an upgrade in order to evacuate only 3.5MW!! Connection to National Grid While I have been informed that there is a strategic plan to connect the West Nile region to the National Grid from Amuru(Olwiyo is proposed sub-station), this connection, as already stated, shall take sometime to be realised. Currently, Gulu, Lira and say the greater northern Line is supplied from Tororo. This line Tororo- Northern-Opuyo-Lira is only about 14.5 MW - is it enough? What about upgrading the transmission capacity in case of future off-takes? I don't know! First of all, this 14.5MW is not even enough for the region(Lira, Gulu, Kitgum, Pader,etc!!). What West Nile region needs to wait for is the Construction of Karuma HPP, Ayago HPP and the like. Someone asked for the costs of transmission lines - 33KV - about $ 30,000 - $45,000 per km, 132KV - about $700,000 - $1,000,000 per km!!! Big? Isn't it? These costs are without the corresponding sub-stations and distribution networks!! Brethren, all in all, we require collective effort and lobbying in realization of the connection to the National Grid. What we have to fight for in the meantime and tactically in the interim is the commissioning of Nyagak HPP, upgrading of the existing network, expanding the upgraded network to cover the whole of West Nile to pre-determined load centres, Construction of Nyagak II and Nyagak III as a cascade hydro system from Nyagak I. In my humble opinion, this is the fastest way we have in realization of electrification of the region from darkness which quite frankly requires a lot of political input from representatives of the people by the people - Mark my words:- Reps of the people by the people! The above is my take. Regards to all From: Ezama Ruffino To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 5:28:40 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S Christine Your question is clear. I seem to have read from Eng Ajedra the question as to why our elected MPs from WN could not connect WN to the national grid than construct Nyagak Dam whose work they are "hurrying slowly". What made them fail? What is your "engineer-able objective" which will make you succeed this time round. If Eng Afi is reading we are awaiting his input too as Counsel Alaka asked God bless ruffino ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
dear All, Yes in deed i still ask the same question Engineer Ajedra is asking and this question really bathers me a lot. Why is Westnile left out of the national grid of all the regions? some new districts in northern Uganda have already been connected to the national grid. Yet for years Westnile has been patient waiting for the nyagak project. I think the next MPs should take this up very seriously, and this should be a key point in their manisfesto. There should be means of holding the MPs accountable and or responsible before their term of office expires if this project (nyakak) or a possibility for connection to the nation grid does not take place. I also think this issue should be taken up by all other stakeholders in the westnile districts. For instance the district political leaders and technocrates. Why cant the political and adminstrattive leaders stand togther to demand for a quick action? the leaders of westnile districts together should put pressure on government to demand for power. I think we need to look at our region as whole and see the negative implication of unreliable power supply to many of the inhabitants, instead of looking at our comfort zones. There is this a saying "no situation is permanent". It may be that a few people may afford to pay for the power, however, lets look at the bigger picture. The people who are working in the agriculture sector, require medical services, these people form the biggest majority of our regions and provide the region with food, let alone the number of young westnilers they have under their care who require other services. Without adequate services in the hospital resulting from among other issues, poor power insfrastructures has an impact on our lives. let alone the schools, and other centres that need power. a few days ago there was a debate on why the education levels in the region is going down. i think one reason is that, we are living in the past. schools in the central region have power all the time, what about our schools?? lets not wait for 2015 to act, lets act now! thanks for the discussions Jennifer From: Ezama Ruffino To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 17:28:40 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S Christine Your question is clear. I seem to have read from Eng Ajedra the question as to why our elected MPs from WN could not connect WN to the national grid than construct Nyagak Dam whose work they are "hurrying slowly". What made them fail? What is your "engineer-able objective" which will make you succeed this time round. If Eng Afi is reading we are awaiting his input too as Counsel Alaka asked God bless ruffino ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Not a Manifesto for me
Members, My friends politics is the science of governing people and the resources they have. Whether attending funerals, weddings, presiding over mini courts or joining communal diging/tilting of the farm by an MP provided it is the means for him/her to achieve the ends a politician will do it. In my view let us assess our leaders from an angle of whether they can deliver other than drawing the line of fire for them. Take for example if an MP attended a funeral in your home (God for bid) or your weding it will go down well with almost everybody in attendance. This is because man in life desires honour if not at all to be associated with it. To have a big fish in our amidst in any of our occassions is what we desire. Believe me or not, you will never confront an MP at funeral in your home or wedding to ask why aren't you in parliament debating a bill being passed into law. Never. You will even be over joyed when your occassion is graced by the biggest fish leave alone the LC IIIs, Mayors, LCVs or area MPs of this world. Secondly my friends, Manifestos are made on paper. We have often seen and heard of many and Many have been shelved right after a victory party. So it is hard to convince the person in me over what is an excellent political manifesto because it remains an invitation to treat. After the treat expect the unthinkable. Take note! These aspiring leaders are with us and they have been with us that is enough for me to judge whoever can deliver. This is exclusively my thought take it or leave it. Akile Sunday Igu Rocks. From: Christine Munduru To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 11:05:23 AM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE Dear Lina, I am very grateful for the first time on this forum for hearing a lady's voice in discussing development issues atleast from the time I joined. I did hear some ladies talk on this forum but not geared towards development issues like you have done. I always wonder what has happened to our ladies, do they lack access to internet or something is wrong. ladies, please let us be proactive otherwise the world will forget us. Thanks for apreciating science cafe and I will send for you a personal email with some details to get more information. I agree with you that it is not enough for our politicians to tell us that they have all our concerns in their manifestos, what does that mean to us as westnilers, manifestos are not service delivery means, they are just ideas on a paper. It is also not enough to say that I will adress a.b,c issues, tell us how you will adress the issues and we need very practical solutions here. Remembering that an MP is supposed to debate legislative issues in parliament which many times they dont do. you find them busy attending funerals, wedding etc in the villages to make themselves popular in order to entrench themselves in power instead of debating policy issues in parliament. Bad policies definatley translate into poor development or non at all. We should not return these MPs who never attend sessions, those who do attend,let us analyze the quality of their debate in parliament. Some of them always get media outside sessions to report on them pretending to be doing work be acitve in parliament. What ability do these MPs have to adress the issues they are claiming to adress since they are not district heads, mayors, LCIIIs etc, what means will they use to achieve development, what practical solutions do they have to the issues being raised, how will they work with the district heads, mayors and LCIII who control resources in their constituencies. We need brief and precise answers here on this forum, please do not refer us to your manisfestos which we do not have copies of and we shall not be there in your campaigns but we shall vote and even influence votes. Our brothers, Lee and Eng. Aridru and others who have not yet said anything here, do us this favor of responding to the questions being raised on this forum. I also agree with Aliga that we need a committee for civic education, it is not yet too late. The president of this forum did ask our opinion on this and it is a concesus so we need a way forward. Thanks Christine On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Lina Ogwal wrote: My dear brothers and sisters, > >I have been a silent reader and follower of this forum for a long, long >time. I >had just enrolled as some negative comments made their way on this forum, that >consequently send some discouraging waves through me. And I believe many >people >felt the same. Bravo to those who withstood the temptation of deregistering >themselves, as a couple of people threatened to do so. > >I would like to break my silence, by giving thanks to our God for guiding and >continues to guide this forum through challenging times, and individuals with >expertise for not giving up on West Nileaffairs. > >I wa
Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
Christine Your question is clear. I seem to have read from Eng Ajedra the question as to why our elected MPs from WN could not connect WN to the national grid than construct Nyagak Dam whose work they are "hurrying slowly". What made them fail? What is your "engineer-able objective" which will make you succeed this time round. If Eng Afi is reading we are awaiting his input too as Counsel Alaka asked God bless ruffino ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
Dear Eng. Ajedra, Thanks for the elaborate explanation. I like the bit about electricity. So how are you going to sell this brilliant idea to government so that they avoid wasting time and money on Nyagaki and avail power to westnile. let me come again on the issue of manifesto, their seems to be misunderstanding. What I was saying is that it is good to have a written manifesto so that we can track your progress but you should explain to us how this will translate into practical solutions to the concerns that we are raising. I also didnt get the copy of the manifesto so it will be difficult for me to know what you are talking about. Yes MPs are supposed to debate policy issues in parliament while at the same time engaging in development at local level. It should not be one or the other. We want to know how you will balance the two. Now that you are an experienced engineer, better for us, what practical solutions do have to solve the issue of clean water in Arua. Thanks Christine On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:11 PM, gard ajedra wrote: > Dear My Sister Christine, > > Agreed, MPs are supposed to debate legislation. However, don't forget that > an MP is also supposed lobby for development projects in his or her > constituency. How s/he does it another topic for discussion. > > Manifestos are important because at the apprpriate time, the electorate can > then evaluate the performance of their MP. Some of us are result oriented, > *if one can not deliver what one promises in the manifesto, what is the > essence of being in the parliament?* > > If one produces a manifesto (which would have been based on consultations > with the electorate) then the author should know how to implement it. If > for the sake of argument the manifesto contains 10 items of concern to > the electorate, and only 4 of those items have been implemented (let alone > how to measure the success), then the MP scores 40% period. > > In earlier submission, I had indicated that the cost of a power ransmission > line per km is very much less that the cost of a tarred road per km. > *Therefore, > if one does the engineering cost analysis for the cost of the powerline > from Amuru to Nebi and present it government*, one would discover that it > would have been better and cheaper to connect West Nile to the National Grid > than to construct Nyagaki Dam!! Why have our elected MPs from West Nile not > done it??? > > In conclusion, therefore, there are scientific ways of measuring success of > a policy/pertent issues in a manifesto [and I would not want to indulge in > it here]. Surfice to say that manifestos are very important to those who > seek elective office for purposes of future acccountability. > > Regards, > > Eng. Dr. Ajedra G Aridru. > > > > --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, Christine Munduru * wrote: > > > From: Christine Munduru > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" > Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 1:05 AM > > Dear Lina, > I am very grateful for the first time on this forum for hearing a lady's > voice in discussing development issues atleast from the time I joined. I did > hear some ladies talk on this forum but not geared towards development > issues like you have done. I always wonder what has happened to our ladies, > do they lack access to internet or something is wrong. ladies, please let us > be proactive otherwise the world will forget us. Thanks for apreciating > science cafe and I will send for you a personal email with some details to > get more information. > > I agree with you that it is not enough for our politicians to tell us that > they have all our concerns in their manifestos, what does that mean to us as > westnilers, manifestos are not service delivery means, they are just ideas > on a paper. It is also not enough to say that I will adress a.b,c issues, > tell us how you will adress the issues and we need very practical solutions > here. > Remembering that an MP is supposed to debate legislative issues in > parliament which many times they dont do. you find them busy attending > funerals, wedding etc in the villages to make themselves popular in order to > entrench themselves in power instead of debating policy issues in > parliament. Bad policies definatley translate into poor development or non > at all. We should not return these MPs who never attend sessions, those who > do attend,let us analyze the quality of their debate in parliament. Some of > them always get media outside sessions to report on them pretending to be > doing work be acitve in parliament. > > What ability do these MPs have to adress the issues they are claiming to > adress since they are not district heads, mayors, LCIIIs etc, what means > will they use to achieve development, what practical solutions do they have > to the issues being raised, how will they work with the district heads, > mayors and LCIII who control resources in their constituencies. > > We need brief and precise answ
Re: [WestNileNet] Okusia Jeniffer
Hello Jenny Thanks for jumping onto a wagon on move. We are happy you are here. After listening to these debates your voice to that of the other great ladies on the forum is welcome. God bless r ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Power for West Nile
Dear My learned Friend, Please read my response entitled Good Hustle- Another Perspective to Christine.s Thanks. --- On Mon, 10/18/10, alaka caleb wrote: From: alaka caleb Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Proposals for What should be the Election issues in West Nile To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:28 AM Aggrey Adrale, Thank you for the issues raised. Can we discuss the issue of Electricity. Dr. Aridru, what is your take on Aggreys suggestion of being connected to the National Grid. Eng. Afi can you also give us your view On 10/18/10, felix andama wrote: > Dear friends, > > I would like to commend you for the discussions that have been going on on > this > forum. I would like to make some quick comments on some of the issues being > discussed. > 1.Dropping or dropped standards of Education > > This requires a critical review and addressing issues from within West Nile > that have affected the education standards in primary and secondary schools > as > well as in the tertiary institutions. Take a look at the attitudes of > parents, > pupils, students, communities, teachers and school managements towards > education > in West Nile now. Most of the attitudes can not promote educational > performance > in any way rather than compromising it. > > 2.Electricity: > > As people from West Nile we get to satisfied with little so easily and too > quickly. I would like to agree with Aggrey Adrale that we need get > connected to > the National Power Grid and the promised power generation from within the > region > should be connected to the National Grid. Lets think strategically on this > and > influence the concerned accordingly. > > 3.Keeping touch with base in West Nil: > > This has not been an issue of discussion but I would like to appeal to all > of us > who are on this forum to keep in touch with our base in West Nile. It pays > to go > back home to West Nile where possible on a regular basis and engage > our communities and leaders on these issues of concern. Most of the > community > members in West Nile and leaders are not on this Forum. Many of us reside > and > work outside West Nile. Our physical presence there can add some value and > adds > a face to the concerns being raised by those from West Nile and friends of > West > Nile. > > Mr. Alaka has circulated proposed Strategic Plan, down load it and make your > contribution to the review process. > > Lets keep this fire burning and remain focused on the development of West > Nile > in all aspects. > > Best regards, > > Felix-- > Andama Felix > CONSULTANT - Public Administration and Management > Uganda Management Institute > Plot 44-52, Jinja Road > P. O Box 20131 > Kampala - Uganda > Cell Phone: +256772697621 > email: fand...@umi.ac.ug > Website: www.umi.ac.ug > > > > > > From: aggrey adrale > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile > Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:23 PM > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Proposals for What > should > be the Election issues in West Nile > > > Dear Caleb and Fellow West Niler, > > My take is on two key issues; electrical energy and education. > > Indeed for long our debate has not missed the above two priorities in West > Nile. > However on the issue of electricity and education I would like us and our > leaders to consider a few areas of concern. > > 1. For long our hope has been the power dam under perpetual construction in > Nyagak; will it be sustainable in the long run given the potential that > investments will flow into West Nile (already I know os some Kampala-based > factories that are interested in shifting their production lines to Arua and > other areas in West Nile. What if we advocacated broadly to be connected to > the > national power grid and Nyagak will then supply power to this grid? > Recently, I > have had a chance of visiting many districts in nothern Uganda and indeed > one > would bear with me that the usual retoric of "bulding Nyagak to increase > demand > for power so that West Nile qualifies to be connected to the national power > grid > later" does not hold any mass. The thermal power plant in Arua was built > under > the same pretex and within less than 10 years the demand has overshot the > 1.5MW > design capacity despite being the most expensive power in Uganda. What is > 3.5MW > after all given the known potential of West Nile as an investment hub? Are > places like Pader town, Kalongo, Agago, Lamwo, Abim any better economically > than > West Nile, yet they have recently been connected to the national power grid. > > We should not be obscured by the Nyagak dam, rather fight for a more > strategic > power supply for West Nile. In that regard we do not need politicians who > commit > the cheapest crimes of not knowing themselves as such when they articulate > their > demands they do not have the facts supporting th
Re: [WestNileNet] Re: What should be the Election issues in West Nile - The other side
Dear All, What Dr. Eng (Hon. to be) has shared is fine but may i know the data on how many from our region have always thought of partenering with the current government and how much have we achieved in their time bearing in mind that more than 70% of Arua representation has been for the current government and yet the manifesto is set for the whole country but implemented selectively. Thanx --- On Tue, 10/19/10, gard ajedra wrote: From: gard ajedra Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: What should be the Election issues in West Nile - The other side To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:31 AM Dear All, Certainly, it is heathy debate to have discussions form different angles. It is worthwhile to note that policies are set by the government (of the day) in power and not those outside government. That is not to say that opposition does not influence government ploicies. Firstly, 9 out 10 the government of the day implements what it set out in its manfesto at the time of elections. There are more chances of having more development projects implemented by partnering with government. Secondly, I for one does not believe that you achieve much by fighting for rights. For example, we have been fighting for power in West Nile for all this time but not much has changed and similarly other services our people deserve. The Vurra Arua Koboko is scheduled to done shortly not because our politicians have fought for it!! But because the government has realized there is economic sense in doing so. If you take a look at many constituenses where there is effective representation, projects and services are being delivered not by fighting by loobying through fellow law makers and may be old schoolmates, who have political clout or have influence in government. Having effective representation in my view is the best way to achieve results. One needs to understand that provision of services such as power is a government responsibility and not individuals, as may have been the case with what our beloved Bishop was trying to do. Reference in case is Kuluva Hospital hydropower, which is not fed to the national grid, was allowed to be developed and utilized at the Hospital and not elsewhere. Therefore, we need to re-think if fighting for our people is the way to go or other alternatives can work. We should start to think out side the box intead of looking arouind withih the same box of ideology. Regards, Eng. Dr. Ajedra Aridru --- On Mon, 10/18/10, banduga ismail wrote: From: banduga ismail Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Proposals for What should be the Election issues in West Nile To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 11:34 PM West Nilers, I found the submission by aggrey and others quite interesting and informative. Those who might not have known these facts better take them seriously from these submissions here. With due respect to all that has been said, I would like to say that West Nile needs politicans who are pro the people of West Nile: these who will not beg but fight for our legitimate rights as Ugandans. One of the politicians has mentioned on this forum that his phylosophy is to partner with government to bring about development. Great idea, but how, from what standpoint? I strongly believe the little we have seen changing or changed in the region is because of our clear message we always standby, not because there were politicians from the region partnering with government. You can think of any names from the region who have been in government and ask ourselves how that has translated into the poeples welfare. Some of these people (I could mention names here) as a matter of fact had MoUs duly signed with the government of the day. Were they not partnering with government? Right or wrong, didn't we hear that one of the bishops in the region had plans of building a power station but could not get the space to do so?There is something fundamentally wrong and many have alluded to it here indirectly. As said, instead of waiting for what may not come, we, our politicians should get down to community development, less on rhetoric. To me, the forum is a good start to initiate public action of the West Nile publics. Our politicians should focus more on this than mobilising our people to sign party songs and slogans they don't understand. In the community development process, public action is a type of public participation where development activities are initiated and controlled by citizens (in business terms refered to as private investment), with the intent of influencing government officials and others as opposed to public involvement and obligatory participation where activities are initiated and controlled by government. What we see today is more of the latter (Naads, nusaf, nurp, etc) than the former. We shoul
Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE - ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CHRISTINE'S
Dear My Sister Christine, Agreed, MPs are supposed to debate legislation. However, don't forget that an MP is also supposed lobby for development projects in his or her constituency. How s/he does it another topic for discussion. Manifestos are important because at the apprpriate time, the electorate can then evaluate the performance of their MP. Some of us are result oriented, if one can not deliver what one promises in the manifesto, what is the essence of being in the parliament? If one produces a manifesto (which would have been based on consultations with the electorate) then the author should know how to implement it. If for the sake of argument the manifesto contains 10 items of concern to the electorate, and only 4 of those items have been implemented (let alone how to measure the success), then the MP scores 40% period. In earlier submission, I had indicated that the cost of a power ransmission line per km is very much less that the cost of a tarred road per km. Therefore, if one does the engineering cost analysis for the cost of the powerline from Amuru to Nebi and present it government, one would discover that it would have been better and cheaper to connect West Nile to the National Grid than to construct Nyagaki Dam!! Why have our elected MPs from West Nile not done it??? In conclusion, therefore, there are scientific ways of measuring success of a policy/pertent issues in a manifesto [and I would not want to indulge in it here]. Surfice to say that manifestos are very important to those who seek elective office for purposes of future acccountability. Regards, Eng. Dr. Ajedra G Aridru. --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Christine Munduru wrote: From: Christine Munduru Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] GOOD HUSTLE To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 1:05 AM Dear Lina, I am very grateful for the first time on this forum for hearing a lady's voice in discussing development issues atleast from the time I joined. I did hear some ladies talk on this forum but not geared towards development issues like you have done. I always wonder what has happened to our ladies, do they lack access to internet or something is wrong. ladies, please let us be proactive otherwise the world will forget us. Thanks for apreciating science cafe and I will send for you a personal email with some details to get more information. I agree with you that it is not enough for our politicians to tell us that they have all our concerns in their manifestos, what does that mean to us as westnilers, manifestos are not service delivery means, they are just ideas on a paper. It is also not enough to say that I will adress a.b,c issues, tell us how you will adress the issues and we need very practical solutions here. Remembering that an MP is supposed to debate legislative issues in parliament which many times they dont do. you find them busy attending funerals, wedding etc in the villages to make themselves popular in order to entrench themselves in power instead of debating policy issues in parliament. Bad policies definatley translate into poor development or non at all. We should not return these MPs who never attend sessions, those who do attend,let us analyze the quality of their debate in parliament. Some of them always get media outside sessions to report on them pretending to be doing work be acitve in parliament. What ability do these MPs have to adress the issues they are claiming to adress since they are not district heads, mayors, LCIIIs etc, what means will they use to achieve development, what practical solutions do they have to the issues being raised, how will they work with the district heads, mayors and LCIII who control resources in their constituencies. We need brief and precise answers here on this forum, please do not refer us to your manisfestos which we do not have copies of and we shall not be there in your campaigns but we shall vote and even influence votes. Our brothers, Lee and Eng. Aridru and others who have not yet said anything here, do us this favor of responding to the questions being raised on this forum. I also agree with Aliga that we need a committee for civic education, it is not yet too late. The president of this forum did ask our opinion on this and it is a concesus so we need a way forward. Thanks Christine On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Lina Ogwal wrote: My dear brothers and sisters, I have been a silent reader and follower of this forum for a long, long time. I had just enrolled as some negative comments made their way on this forum, that consequently send some discouraging waves through me. And I believe many people felt the same. Bravo to those who withstood the temptation of deregistering themselves, as a couple of people threatened to do so. I would like to break my silence, by giving thanks to our God for guiding and continues to guide this forum th
Re: [WestNileNet] Re: What should be the Election issues in West Nile - The other side
Dear All, Certainly, it is heathy debate to have discussions form different angles. It is worthwhile to note that policies are set by the government (of the day) in power and not those outside government. That is not to say that opposition does not influence government ploicies. Firstly, 9 out 10 the government of the day implements what it set out in its manfesto at the time of elections. There are more chances of having more development projects implemented by partnering with government. Secondly, I for one does not believe that you achieve much by fighting for rights. For example, we have been fighting for power in West Nile for all this time but not much has changed and similarly other services our people deserve. The Vurra Arua Koboko is scheduled to done shortly not because our politicians have fought for it!! But because the government has realized there is economic sense in doing so. If you take a look at many constituenses where there is effective representation, projects and services are being delivered not by fighting by loobying through fellow law makers and may be old schoolmates, who have political clout or have influence in government. Having effective representation in my view is the best way to achieve results. One needs to understand that provision of services such as power is a government responsibility and not individuals, as may have been the case with what our beloved Bishop was trying to do. Reference in case is Kuluva Hospital hydropower, which is not fed to the national grid, was allowed to be developed and utilized at the Hospital and not elsewhere. Therefore, we need to re-think if fighting for our people is the way to go or other alternatives can work. We should start to think out side the box intead of looking arouind withih the same box of ideology. Regards, Eng. Dr. Ajedra Aridru --- On Mon, 10/18/10, banduga ismail wrote: From: banduga ismail Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Proposals for What should be the Election issues in West Nile To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 11:34 PM West Nilers, I found the submission by aggrey and others quite interesting and informative. Those who might not have known these facts better take them seriously from these submissions here. With due respect to all that has been said, I would like to say that West Nile needs politicans who are pro the people of West Nile: these who will not beg but fight for our legitimate rights as Ugandans. One of the politicians has mentioned on this forum that his phylosophy is to partner with government to bring about development. Great idea, but how, from what standpoint? I strongly believe the little we have seen changing or changed in the region is because of our clear message we always standby, not because there were politicians from the region partnering with government. You can think of any names from the region who have been in government and ask ourselves how that has translated into the poeples welfare. Some of these people (I could mention names here) as a matter of fact had MoUs duly signed with the government of the day. Were they not partnering with government? Right or wrong, didn't we hear that one of the bishops in the region had plans of building a power station but could not get the space to do so?There is something fundamentally wrong and many have alluded to it here indirectly. As said, instead of waiting for what may not come, we, our politicians should get down to community development, less on rhetoric. To me, the forum is a good start to initiate public action of the West Nile publics. Our politicians should focus more on this than mobilising our people to sign party songs and slogans they don't understand. In the community development process, public action is a type of public participation where development activities are initiated and controlled by citizens (in business terms refered to as private investment), with the intent of influencing government officials and others as opposed to public involvement and obligatory participation where activities are initiated and controlled by government. What we see today is more of the latter (Naads, nusaf, nurp, etc) than the former. We should influence government to address our development concerns, not partner. The two types of politicians, one who wants to partner and the other who wants to influence have fundamental differences. In my view, West Nile needs more of influencers than partners. Ismail - From: aggrey adrale To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Sent: Mon, 18 October, 2010 12:01:23 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Proposals for What should be the Election issues in West Nile Dear Caleb and Fellow West Niler, My take is on two key issues; electrical energy and education. Indeed for l
Re: [WestNileNet] ENGINEER AJEDRA S VICTORY IN ARUA
Mr Tabani patrick, Thank you for sharing that personal opinion and as so it remains your own view as per your individual judgement. However on this forum we are non-political but share issues affecting our region which can be brought up by any MP from any party. We want people not parties and in any case your political opinion or lineage should be kept to yourself not for this forum. Thank you. --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Dimba Tabani Patrick wrote: From: Dimba Tabani Patrick Subject: [WestNileNet] ENGINEER AJEDRA S VICTORY IN ARUA To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 3:13 AM BRAVO AJEDRA your manisfesto to work in partnership with the government of the day is the most excellent piece of information i have ever read.Press ahead with your lucrative pieces of ideas for development of Westnile as a whole.PAPER cannot move against a flowing river.This simple knowledge evades our people that is why OPPOSITION MPs fail to attract viable developmental projects.Opposing NRM has yielded nothing for certain CONSTITUENCIES.Let us sail with the main stream in order to develop in all aspects of DEVELOPMENT.I would be overjoyed to address you as HONOURABLE DR. ENGINEER AJEDRA there is absolutely nothing wrong.My learned comrade should reserve his opinion for Canadian juridiction FROM Patrick Tabani Dimba From: Charles Male To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:39:39 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Re: My [ENG. AJEDRA ARIDRU] Proposals for What should be the Election issues in West Nile Congratulations Engineer Doctor Ajedra Gabriel ARIDRU for your successful nomination as the flag bearer for the NRM in Arua Municipality. I am made to understand that many people who make it on the NRM ticket usually sail through the election process hence the level of unprecedented rigging / violence that took place during the elections in many places. Plus in the case of Arua Municipality, much like Yumbe District, the election is all but over since the government found it fit to grant the top Muslim leadership double cabin vehicles to facilitate their work (Kampala — President Yoweri Museveni has given double-cabin pick-up trucks to khadis in Yumbe and Arua districts, New Vision October 3, 2010 http://allafrica.com/stories/201010040101.html ) My plea to you Eng. Dr. Agedra is very mundane when you get to that August House to represent the people of Arua Municipality. Here is my request: Please drop the titles "Engineer, Doctor" when you add the title "honourable"! Since you will be representing a cross section of people, many of whom neither read nor write, you want your constituency members to approach you without feeling intimidated. I assume that you will not be a practicing engineers or professor hence no need to refer to prefix your names by your titles. We want our mothers, sisters, brothers, old, young, sick, healthy etc to be able to approach you and discuss their issues without being intimidated by your titles. It amazes me how we Africans in general and Ugandans in particular focus on out titles instead of work. We are more preoccupied with being called Dr, Professor, Engineer, so and so even when we are not actively in that profession that demands us to identify ourselves that way. I draw a big difference in our religious leaders as they are actively involved in the business of spiritual leadership. If it were for titles only, Africa / Uganda would be the most developed continent / country in the world for there is no shortage of people with those titles. It still amazes me to find out after after many years of leaving in the western world how simple politicians including cabinet ministers can be even if they have in previous careers been university professors or doctors or engineers. For example, two of the leaders of Canada's main opposition parties were university professors in Canada/ USA. Many more are medical doctors or have doctorates but they never ever address or ask themselves to be addressed as Prof, Dr, Engineer, etc. But one thing is clear, None of them calls themselves with those titles. Whereas they address themselves as "honourable" within the confines of Parliament, the only MPs who carry the title "hon" before their names are Cabinet Ministers. Please don't get mme wrong - I value and respect the achievements that our brothers and sisters have made in academic life. However, in my own humble opinion, it is time we focus on what we can do, how we can translate the knowledge that we have acquired and into something tangible for the common man and woman in the remotest part of the village. Good luck Charles On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:49 AM, gard ajedra wrote: Dear Ruffino, Thanks for your inquiry. As I had said in my previous contribution, my philosophy in politics is to partner with government in development programs, making it easier
Re: [WestNileNet] Dr. Geoffrey Buga
Charles, Sorry I forgot to give you the contact telephone number of Mr. Ezuma. It is 0772-438323. Aggrey --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Charles Male wrote: From: Charles Male Subject: [WestNileNet] Dr. Geoffrey Buga To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 5:51 Hello Kiggundu, Do you still have Dr. Buga is contact email? The last time I had contact with him was when he was Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Faculty of Health Sciences, Walter Sisulu University, in SA. I think he originates from either Madi Okollo, Vura or Ayivu. Dr. Buga (Geoffrey) was a consumate debator on Ugandanet and I am sure that if he could be a great addition to West Nile net. Anyone knows where the brother is? Charles -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Dr. Geoffrey Buga
Charles, Perhaps you could get Dr. Buga Geoffrey's contact from his brother Mr. Ezuma Pontius, who works with UWA in Bwindi Impenetrable Forest Park. If he is the Dr Buga I know, he hails from Ayivu, Riki Parish, Oluko Sub County. Aggrey --- On Tue, 19/10/10, Charles Male wrote: From: Charles Male Subject: [WestNileNet] Dr. Geoffrey Buga To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 5:51 Hello Kiggundu, Do you still have Dr. Buga is contact email? The last time I had contact with him was when he was Professor, Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Faculty of Health Sciences, Walter Sisulu University, in SA. I think he originates from either Madi Okollo, Vura or Ayivu. Dr. Buga (Geoffrey) was a consumate debator on Ugandanet and I am sure that if he could be a great addition to West Nile net. Anyone knows where the brother is? Charles -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
