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JJAvudria, Thank you for coming to terms with realities. I think it is a long and well known fact that an organization cannot rum without funds. However, here is a situation that the organization is 'running away' from funds. You may recall sometime back when I equated WNF to a plane that runs the risk of crushing or crash-landing if it doesn't touch base to re-fuel. I was simply suggesting a meeting to resolve issues and pave way for funding through membership and other sources. Many a member have suggested and been positive to meeting face-to-face to resolve a number of issues, including adopting the instruments establishing WNF, which cannot be transacted on air. In the absence of that there would be no legal foundation for West Nile Foundation other than the forum, which is just informative. Good you are on the interim executive, kindly reign in the rest of the interim executive members to make that simple call for a meeting. We have written lines and lines on the net over issues and non issues, why not 5 to10 words to call for the meeting. This is precisely where we are failing, we need to put pen to paper for the coalition of the willing to commit themselves to WNF, for this has been, is and shall ever remain the only way to breath real life into and establish a formidable organization. Kind regards, Aggrey Adrale --- On Thu, 7/4/11, JohnAJackson javud...@gmail.com wrote: From: JohnAJackson javud...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] WestNileNet Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 To: westnilenet@kym.net Cc: westnilenet-requ...@kym.net Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 3:22 Dear brothers and sisters, If we all believe in the issues we have been discussing for 2 years, and do believe that we have to do something to resolve some of these issues, it's absolutely a must that we have to organize ourselves better. No organization ca run without funds, more for for NGO's, membership is bread and butter for NGO survival. We were all excited with the formation of WNF. What is killing that enthusiasm? Now it is time to make it work. The acting executive can do very little or nothing without support from the community. We all owe it to ourselves to do a better job. Do we really feel embarrased or ashamed when we see other comunities organize themselves? Or do we expect other communities to come and organize us, or do we want to be last on the block? If there is anything we can do, I would recommend calling for face to face meeting in Kampala, those who support shs 50,000, let us approve it and move forward. I am sure there are many of us out there who are willing to chip in shs 50,000 for the shake of organizing ourselves. I do understand the Caleb's frustration. Let's keep the momemntum up. So far we have done a lot in the last two years. Let's continue with the same spirit. We could do more or better if we all remain passionate about the state of things in our region. No one can come and solve issues for us. I hope we are all serious fellows. The Do Nothing Attitude will never help us as a community. JJavudria On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:00 AM, westnilenet-requ...@kym.net wrote: Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to westnilenet@kym.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to westnilenet-requ...@kym.net You can reach the person managing the list at westnilenet-ow...@kym.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest... Today's Topics: 1. Conspirancy of silence (alaka caleb) 2. Re: Conspirancy of silence (Patrick Anguti) 3. Re: Conspirancy of silence (aggrey adrale) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:18:46 +0300 From: alaka caleb calebal...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Subject: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Message-ID: BANLkTikX33-jXr=cen1qtamdy0xf-hj...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear members, Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we actively involve our selves in
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Dear Caleb, I understand the frustration, but its always during our seemingly darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. Like they say, we cannot rise higher than our thought of ourselves. Once more, like Aggrey said,please dont throw in the towel. Kefa - Original Message From: alaka caleb calebal...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:18:46 AM Subject: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Dear members, Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian organizations, when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor the idea of our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money to host the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import a server from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their magnanimity and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we should have had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile Foundation and the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us were useful to our community without these organizations, We can still be useful without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the Foundation. Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old boys/girls organizations in our old schools were we are more comfortable, tribes and probably religion. Without payment of subscription fees, we have no right to belong to and hold an organization and its leadership accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has contributions by some members let him arrange to refund them. We resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and now other regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We lied to ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this rate we are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) relatives. For they were not as enlightened as we are. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
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Aggrey, Sam and Achile are spot on. When if i may ask did WNF CEC or general meetings take place??? The last time i attended a WNF related meeting was December last year while organizing West Nile Family Day Out. And you will bear witness that there are persons who contribute ideas and participate actively on the WNF mailing system but have never heard of when the last meeting took place. We need meetings be it for CEC or General to reach consensus that can never be resolved in the electronic page; less that we shall always be on a blame game. I rest my case. Godfrey Mundua On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Achile Fendru fend...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to register my disagreement in the boldest terms with what the good learned counselor has stated and suggested in here. If the going gets tuff, throwing in the towel is not the solution. First of all, I never saw the vehement opposition on the idea of WNF that the counselor is talking about on this forum. On the contrary my take was that it was well received with excitement, enthusiasm and joy. The only skirmishes I saw was about the what, where, how and to who to pay. Besides, if there were or are any voices of dissent, we should try to understand why, see if there is any validity and genuine justification to it and try to see if they have any suggestions that can be incorporated to make the foundation better. Remember every new good and noble idea/innovation/invention historically has always met with stiff skeptism, challenges and sometimes lethal opposition. Those who succeed are not the ones when kicked and knocked down remain down there, but rather those who can be able to get up after the kick, dust themselves off and keep on moving forward. I will appeal to Mr. Alaka to reconsider his suggested action and consult widely with some of the able members in the forum or on the ground who can help steer the foundation to its successful objective. We need this and we need you Mr. Alaka to be part of this. West Nile region has benefited a lot from your wisdom, hardwork and unselfish contributions in the various activities. Now is not the time to let go. On a lighter note, having been born and raised in Lugazi, I am a proud product of the Kasanvu (Sugarcane Harvester). Believe me when I say that under difficulties many of them were able to educate their kids and those of their relatives. I am a case in point. I would not wish to over generalize and paint all of them with the same brush as being inferior in their thinking. Thank you. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:18 AM, alaka caleb calebal...@gmail.com wrote: Dear members, Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian organizations, when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor the idea of our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money to host the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import a server from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their magnanimity and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we should have had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile Foundation and the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us were useful to our community without these organizations, We can still be useful without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the Foundation. Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old boys/girls organizations in our old schools were we are more comfortable, tribes and probably religion. Without payment of subscription fees, we have no right to belong to and hold an organization and its leadership accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has contributions by some members let him arrange to refund them. We resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and now other regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We lied to ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this rate we are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) relatives. For they were not as enlightened as we are. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is
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I greet you all good people of West Nile, this is my first contribution on the net not that i am dis-interested but have been closely internalising issues/exchange of ideas but the latest from the chairman has stirred me into activity. A couple of observations may restore hope and help counsel my brother Caleb and others who may harbour the same sentiments; Firstly, an idea is born of an individual and just like bush fire, it slowly spreads to all.West Nile foundation is a brilliant idea but has the idea permeated the target audience to warrant the response the chairman and others want tosee at this stage? the answer to this seems evident in most of the contributions on the net. Allow me say this, that most of the enthusiasts of the WNF are the brothers with whom we share the same passion, every sunday for close to 5 yrs now,coming together and play soccer to keep fit. Don't get me wrong here am not denigrating that as a springboard to the birth of the idea, rather to express the need for more work to be done in bringing others to appriciate the need for fraternity. My thinking is that,Caleb wants the roof done when the foundation is still shaky this may not serve as well in future. Let the team at the helm of WNF at the moment trot to all the sectarian associations and touch base with the exec's and hammer out the need for WNF and concommitant activities. I also suggest that WNF deliberately targets the so called golden generation as these are more receptive to new ideas and let us enumerate the ideas of WNF very clearly. I am also a keen believer in the principle of 20-80 i.e that the 20% who believe and are committed to the idea can push on while the 80% still make up thier mind to join the party across Karuma bridge, that is human nature any way. Caleb and co take heart, if Museveni of 1980 had not gone ahead with the 27, he would never have been what he is now-keep the faith, fight for what you believe and keep calm lest you join the rest whose brilliant ideas did not see the light of day because they gave up too soon. Actually you are doing well take for instance, the west nile nite its criticisms not withstanding; the science cafe; the interface with our political leaders; and of course not forgetting this medium of interaction-westnilenet-pat yourselves on the back. Rome was not built in a day the saying goes. This is part one, wait for part two soon. I stand to be corrected. Bidong Ben From: diana ondoga diaaneond...@yahoo.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, 6 April, 2011 17:36:39 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Hi, West Nile Foundation is a wonderful idea and in response to the trailing mail,I would like to suggest something. There are many of us who are members of the WestNileNet but do not know the A(basically the genesis) of the West Nile Foundation because we did not all join the WestNilenet at the same time and everyday new people are joining and there is no reference about the organization. I think it would be nice for a while to differentiate the two in such a way that the idea of the West Nile Foundation should be sold to members of the WestNilenet and possibly a registration form be designed and availed, where interested members can fill this out and forward it the WNF team which can decide criteria for qualification. It would be better to have members willingly join the WNF in my opinion and where necessary vetted..(I stand to be corrected if in fact being a member of the WestNileNet automatically makes you a member of WNF) A select team from the WNF either democratically or in a way that the foundation decides can be developed to lead the Foundation and then members of the WestNilenet can be updated where need be on matters arising from the foundation be and any new members who are interested will be required to fill out a form. We are several individuals with different interests and its better to work with only those people who embrace the idea of WNF willingly without necessarily co-opting everyone so that energy is invested on fertile ground for the idea (Parable of the Sower Luke 8:4-8.) regards, Diana our lives are as a result of our decisions and thoughts and only our own decisions and thoughts can change every situation we are in for better or for worse. From: Ejibua Sam ejib...@gmail.com To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 1:04:35 PM Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Hello Caleb, As much as some of the issues you have raised are true in as far as our community is concerned, there are some behind the scenes activities that have contributed to the complacent attitude people have expressed through their silence and lack of interest. From the word go, there was request for a meeting to
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