Re: [WestNileNet] Learning the Lugbara Language - A bloggers 2 cents-a good read!

2013-04-27 Thread Asaf Adebua
A VERY LONG TICK TO YOU MAANDERA1

On 4/26/13, Maandera ibmaand...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm. Before reading this article, I had read another blog about 4 years
 ago of an American also living in Arua and struggling to learn Lugbara.
 That one was less dramatic than this one. But I'd also heard of people
 saying Lugbara is a difficult language to learn. This had actually gotten
 me thinking: Can't you try to make learning Lugbara easier? I made an
 outline and soon foxed out, not with After all the grapes are sour but
 with a barrage of: After all that is a relative statement. All languages
 are difficult to learn. Try a click language and tell me it is easy. Try
 the French which is spoken through the nose. . . etc, etc

 Well, this blog got me updating my draft again based on some of the issues
 pointed out in it. I am not yet finished. What got me particularly thinking
 was how to best address the challenge of that apt comparison with Chinese -
 due to the tonality of the language and the fact that we have several
 dialects, which makes it a very rich and admittedly confusing language.
 Allow me another foxing: Who says English or Dutch is not confusing?


 As an English language teacher myself, I got loads of examples to which I
 have no explanation or justification apart from saying, Sorry, but
 exceptions confirm the rule! Why do the English for example say, the
 singular form of the verb *to-be* is *is* and yet when you meet one
 person (that is singular, for sure) you as How *are* you? as if there is
 more than one person you are talking to? And the English have the audacity
 to say that is Correct English! Don't tell me the word *wound* in the
 following sentence has one and only one meaning: The nurse *wound* the
 bandage around the *wound* of the *wounded* boy. And why should the plural
 of *box* be bo*xes* and the one of ox be ox*en* and not ox*es*? And why
 should a *driv**er* be a person, yet *cooker* is a thing for cooking and
 the person is a *Cook* and what the *cook* does is to *cook*? They also
 confuse us! But, that's the beauty and uniqueness of languages anyhow. The
 more reason why people learn languages.


 On a serious note: As many people have said, the article indeed made me see
 some things differently. For example, that Lugbara is a visual language.
 Hmmm. House-stomach! True, indeed. Visual and descriptive. That should make
 it even easier to learn. Common language teachers, let's do something to
 make this thing more palatable for those who want to get a different peek
 into our culture - through the language.

 The time keeping, I agree is something that is kind of different and
 often works against us. Not only the Lugbara but Ugandans. Did you read
 that article of the Teso youth protesting their MPs appearing at 6.30pm for
 a meeting that was scheduled for 3pm. My foot. We still have something to
 learn from the positive aspects of other cultures, which may enrich the
 positives in ours.


 Overall, it was some good food for thought and rib-breaking.

 Thank you George.








 On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Santorino Data
 boymuked...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Great piece of writing indeed.
 This made my morning and now I understand why I spent 6 years in Arua and
 still struggle to speak the language - confusion just that needs very
 meticulous attention to detail and context even though I was from across
 the Lugbara border in Kakwa land


 *Dr. Data Santorino
 **Lecturer Department of Pediatrics and Child Health
 Mbarara University of Science and Technology
 Uganda.*

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 of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:21 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Learning the Lugbara Language - A bloggers 2
 cents-a good read!

 This is a very interesting piece. It is always nice to see things from an
 out-siders perspective and make sense of things we are usually oblivious
 to, house-mouth, za-mva, et all!

 The piece does bring out some things that worry anthropologist too,
 cultures are gradually getting eroded traditions have been changing here
 as the pressure of our Western culture pervades and invades. as well, it
 high lights some issues that continue to plague us, such as time keeping,
 which has itself not been eroded by the same western culture.

 Thanks for sharing this, it did make my day that more interesting, got me
 thinking. One of these days, I'll beat my vernacular teacher a phone

 Anyole

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 *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:12:31 AM
 *Subject:* [WestNileNet] Learning the Lugbara Language - A bloggers 2
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 A new year, a new language, more
 

Re: [WestNileNet] WestNileNet Digest, Vol 56, Issue 44

2013-04-27 Thread Charles Male
Just a slight correction... Although the Kuku border Moyo district,
they are in the same group of people as Nyangwara (west of Juba), Bari
(Juba), Mondari ( north of Juba), Pojulu (Lainya area), Kakwa (from
Yei to Koboko and Congo), Karimojong, Kalenjin of Kenya, Iteso, Lango
(the lango lost the language and now speak luo). The Kuku say Madi
(who are in the east bank the nile in Sudan crossed over and took over
their lands that is why there is constant friction in the border areas
as kuku are claiming large portions of Moyo district.

Amba George Drametu ... you better start packing and going back to
join the Madi in East bank -- the kuku and their cousins are coming:-)




On 4/27/13, JohnAJackson javud...@gmail.com wrote:
 Many of you who did African history in O-Level will recall migration
 parterns from Central Africa and the Congo basin.  I have met Nigerians
 whose names sound like lugbara names. I have a friend called Dr. Adibabayo,
 spelled the same way. We call him Bayo.
 If you lived in Sudan or work there, you will discover tribes whose
 languages are exactly the same as languages in West Nile e.g. Kaliko and
 Muru speak same lugbara. Avukaya and Kuku speak like Madi. Most of Yei and
 Juba districts are occupied by Kakwa speakers.
 No doubts that anthropologists are right.  As people moved across the
 continents, languages change with inter marriages and intermingling.  Look
 at English language in UK, USA, Australia, Canada, they are all distinct.
 I would not doubt we have similar tribes in West Africa or Central African
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 Ezati...

 Your clan may be related to the Goburi clan in Koboko (Lobule
 subcounty) just like the Godia clan in Terego are the same clan as the
 Godria in Koboko, Congo and South Sudan.

 Charles

 On 4/26/13, Ezati Eric jili2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
  Wao...!! what a wonderful article, this information has brought out so
 many
  issues I was searching for the solutions.true, my clan is called
 Gobiri
  and in west Africa someone said there is also a tribe called Gobiri and
 the
  language is said to be like our own Lug'barathose who are there
 please
  tell us more of this and it makes me to understand why some tribes get
 it a
  problem to pronounce 'Lug'bara' the way it should be among many other
  words...
 
  Ezati Eric
 
 
 
  From: Santorino Data boymuked...@yahoo.com
 To: Anyole J anyo...@yahoo.ca; George Afi Obitre-Gama
  gobi...@yahoo.com; A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile
  westnilenet@kym.net; A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile
  westnilenet@kym.net
 Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013, 6:56
 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Learning the Lugbara Language - A bloggers 2
  cents-a good read!
 
 
 
 Great piece of writing indeed.
 This made my morning and now I understand why I spent 6 years in Arua
  and
  still struggle to speak the language - confusion just that needs very
  meticulous attention to detail and context even though I was from
  across
  the Lugbara border in Kakwa land
 
 
 
 Dr. Data Santorino
 Lecturer Department of Pediatrics and Child Health
 Mbarara University of Science and Technology
 Uganda.
 
 
 
 
  From: Anyole J anyo...@yahoo.ca
 To: George Afi Obitre-Gama gobi...@yahoo.com; A Virtual Network for
  friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net; A Virtual Network for
 friends
  of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Learning the Lugbara Language - A bloggers 2
  cents-a good read!
 
 
 
 This is a very interesting piece. It is always nice to see things from
  an
  out-siders perspective and make sense of things we are usually
  oblivious
  to,