Re: [WestNileNet] Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 26, Issue 40
Vasco, Thank you for appreciating and confirming my assertion that those interested in intellectual debates will find this article fascinating. I believe to understand your faith better, it is good to be aware of such debates. I agree with you on your take on the moral and ethical lessons for politicians. Ben On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Vasco Oguzua vogu...@gmail.com wrote: John, I think the article Bernard Bonton posted was not for any discussion whosoever might have thought. It was merely a scholar's literary review which I believe Bonton found interesting and was just sharing it on the forum with any member who may be interested in reading some of the various perspectives of that review. In that article the write never even took sides, but only provided what he researched from the various pesrpectives, philosophical, religious, political, historical, aithest, and what ever view was expressed by various writers about if Jesus is God. I think that article, some will find it as a good intellectual reading, as I did. So I do not think the article is or should and will interfere with the discussion on the theme of Elections and Voter Education. I believe whoever is documenting discussions on Elections and voter education is objective enough to filter what is relevant to Elections and voter education. Infact reflecting on the article, one will find that there is a lesson for us and our politicians to learn on ethical and moral behaviour, equality, service to one another, and telling lies to get power, self enrichment, honesty, etc which are all characteristics of moral character. Bernard, I thought that was a good article to read and the author was well balanced in the views he reviewed though he was not conclusive with his own verdict on the topic, which I guess was due to the complexity of the topiv, Is Jesus God. Thanks, Vasco Oguzua. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:34 AM, JohnAJackson javud...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, Fr. Ruffino has posted discussion theme on Elections and voter educaction for 2 weeks. I think commending on this issue is more important as the issues in elections affect us in one way or another directly or indirectly. To have organized forum discussions, document points for future reference, we would appreciate a focused discussion on on pertinent issues of significance. If you have an announcement or some other important information to share, please feel free to do so. If your issue requires discussion, or you expect commends from others, please wait until the current moderator requests for new issue(s) for discussion. Posting anything for discussion at anytime defeats the purpose of trying to moderate discussions on this forum. I think we should treat this forum like a real meeting. If you have nothing to say, please say nothing, we will assume you second other peoples' ideas or you are neutral, therefore, have no opinion. JJAvudria On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:58 AM, westnilenet-requ...@kym.net wrote: Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to westnile...@kym.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to westnilenet-requ...@kym.net You can reach the person managing the list at westnilenet-ow...@kym.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Is Jesus God? (Kiggundu Mukasa) 2. Re: Is Jesus God? (Bernard Bonton Obaa) 3. Re: Is Jesus God? (Kiggundu Mukasa) 4. RE: Is Jesus God? (Charles Dra-ecabo) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:08:16 +0300 From: Kiggundu Mukasa kiggu...@kym.net Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Is Jesus God? To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net Message-ID: 88c50a4f-dee3-4191-97b0-bae1ebb4e...@kym.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ben, Firstly, I do not want to get into a religious war but feel I have to say this. If you do not believe in God (the one of the Big 3 Christianity, Islam and Judaism) Then that is your right and your personal affair and I am sure I and many others will pray for you But to what ends does trying to encourage atheism help? Do we get a more moral society (I think you can look at the West and see the homosexual push to see that we don't) Do we get a society with less child-sacrifice witchdoctors? Do we get less corrupt politicians and civil servants? Less thieves? Do we get more people who help the unfortunate? Do we get more people who care for others? Do we get more forgiveness? How exactly does atheism help the society and the individual? Lastly, something all atheists/freethinkers/godless refuse to do. Prove God does not exist Atheists claim
Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings
Dear Colleagues, This is not the first time and it certainly will not be the last time that our local government will return money to the central government. I am not too sure but I seem to remember that about 10 billion of Northern Uganda Social Action Fund (NUSAF) money was returned some time back. The question is why does this happen on regular basis? We don't seem to learn from past mistakes. We know very well the limitations imposed by the bureaucracy set by the central government in release of funds and procurement. Why can't our bureaucrats and politicians plan in a way that the limitations are catered for? It may be incompetence, corruption and greed. Why do they continue with business as usual, yet the requisite services are not delivered? Take the case of NUSAF. These are small grants meant to help locals in northern Uganda start productive ventures that are economically profitable, socially inclusive and ecologically healthy. How many of our people actually know the procedure for accessing those grants. I understand many of the proposals don't get approved because they don't satisfy the guidelines. What do those in authority do to ensure next time people write appropriate proposals so that the funds can reach the people they are meant to? Now that another NUSUF money is around the corner, are we prepared to help our people access these funds? Ben On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Immaculate Bona Maandera ibmaand...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christine and members, I have not followed discussions here very closely. However, I got curious about the WN-uni. I suppose those of you closeby are in contact with the persons steering the uni. Otherwise, it might be useful to give make comments from this link as well -- if it works -- http://www.wnu.ac.ug/contacts.html -- still said to be under construction for quite some time now. Since they have placed it there with a please, maybe they do need more heads to join them. Maandera On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM, christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear all, This comes back to accountability of our leaders/governments to the citizens which I spoke about some time back. I did say that while we struggle as WNF to cause development in West Nile, we must hold our leaders/governments accountable to their responsibilities and members disagreed with me. Can you now see how local governments in Arua are failing us? How many people lack safe water in Arua, how many good murram roads do we have in Arua. Just take the road to Ediofe as a nearby example, what would be the reason to return such money in these situations. Now if WNF was to look for funds for some of these developments and the donors hear money for such things being returned, who would take us serious? These are some of the issues that WNF should start engaging in. I hear the University is in this years budget (not sure), we are not hearing what is going on, I hope the money wont be returned also. Thanks Christine -- *From:* Robert Ejiku ejikurob...@gmail.com *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net *Sent:* Wed, June 16, 2010 12:05:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Arua fails to spend 1.7 B shillings Caleb, Its truly annoying but did he give reasons why. I know of moments when Bushenyi has found itself in similar situations perhaps because of what they now call absorption capacity that John Nasasira's referred to when asked why the hefty 1 trillion for roads was not utilized. But Kanungu complained of bureaucracy and late releases especially where the PPDA guidelines to procure goods, services and civil works applies. One proposal to solve this problem was to look into the guidelines and reduce on unnecessary red tape at the Ministry of Finance (Azabo). Now I am sure our own in Government who are well versed with these systems may want to educate us the laymen. But should it be sheer incompetence on the part of our program implementers, then the idea of creating as many districts as there are counties might now gain credence. Over to you fellows and all the best. Ejiku On 6/16/10, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Arua Local Government is to return close to Shillings 2,000,000,000/= (two billion) to the Central Government after the authorities failed to utilise the funds. The money was meant for service delivery during the 2009/10 Financial year. The Sectors that failed to use the money are works and water departments (1.1bn), Education shs 322 Million and peace recovery and development program (276M). The unspent monies were meant for construction of community roads, drilling of bore holes, construction of schools and maintenance of feeder roads that is according to the secretary finance Arua District Local Government one Sam Wadri Nyakua. This scenario is so annoying. We are breaking our backs to ensure that our region copes up with the rest in
Re: [WestNileNet] Request from a member of West Nile Community
Mr. President, Development is a process that requires inputs from diverse stakeholders. We need strategic alliances and partnerships to tackle the complex set factors that impede development in our region. We warmly welcome this senior and influential person to join the forum and share with us his ideas, plans and ability to attract or provide funding. However, I would be apprehensive if he wants to remain anonymous and gets a budget from us. What does he want to do with our budget? We fear image laundering i.e. using WNF to get money for self and other personal opportunities. There is nothing to hide from this forum. We are apolitical. Please encourage him to join us. Thank you, Ben On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, a senior citizen of West Nile requested for the strategic plan of West Nile Foundation and some legal documents. The Person was so impressed and has requested for the budget of the Foundation. I informed this person that ours was apolitical and a non partisan organisation solely formed by people who shared a common conviction of transforming West Nile. This Person is so influential in Government. I felt it prudent to consult the whole membership about this. The question is should we forward our budget to this person or not?. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A
Dear Christine, I like your courage to speak up your mind. It is good to have an outspoken lady like you on this forum which is dominated by men. I have two small problems with your latest posting. The first is the not-so-nice language (e.g. you have a skewed mind). The second relates to the fact that you have chosen to attack character (e.g. no action of yours has worked) but not ideas. It would be more civilized if we kept our cool and just focused our disagreements on ideas not the persons behind the ideas. We need to be tolerant to opposing views even if such views offend us. In other words, why don't we engage in intellectual debates instead of personal attacks? This kind of vile language and ping pong pisses off many people, myself inclusive. If you feel strongly about something, you can send a private email to whoever you are aggrieved with. That way, we won't know you lost your cool. Thanks, Ben On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:47 AM, christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear Akile, you are right to be mesmarised because *there is no action of yours which has also worked*. But my understanding is that* many of you do not understand the arguments here*, so it is of no importance to continue. If *you have a skewed mind* for what ever reason, *you fail to objectively understand* that a coin has tow sides. For now let us believe like you that a coin has only one side and we rest this topic. Christine -- *From:* Sunday Akile akile...@yahoo.com *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net *Sent:* Mon, May 3, 2010 6:47:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A Christine, I am mesmarised by this consistent approach to this sort of debate orchestrated by Lee and ably being sustained by you and others. It is unfortunate that most our own people share the stand that; *Once you sale eggs in a market, then you should never begin a fight lest you lose at least one if not the fight as well.* I imagined that this view has long been held because of the kind of our markets. Being in a sorry state.I magine poor facilities, items for sale being placed either on the grass or simply the soil is cleaned for the display.But a lot has changed now. New and better markets are built and they can be built Arua, Adjumani, Moyo, Koboko, Yumbe, Nebi or *whatever small one that is lingering in the minds. *Even now days eggs are sold or carried in trays which makes it easy to navigate with them. Which even a notoriopus trader of eggs can confortably move alongside with a fight. Thus the irony that a fight should never be started by a vendor of eggs should never keeps us dreaming of the finishing line of the race yet we have not even put on the spikes to start the race.University or what ever The idea of the University at our door step is a super idea! but that idea and the successful bargain for it can only be through our ownselfs.Not at the alter or even the pulpit i believe our Rev.fathers, Imams and pastors or any other faithful will concur with me over this.Not the TODWONGs, BYARUHANGAs and PATAKIs of this world. But simply taking the bull by the horns! The stronger your bargain without the fear that you will loose your eggs the success you will see. The Universities, Big hospitals worthy of referal status and many more will all come like the admirable tarmac road that runs through the park to Arua save for Arua-Koboko-Moyo-Adjumani-Gulu, and Arua-Yumbe which is yet to be realised but not through fear that the eggs will brake!. Lee, and Christine i find your work is well researched.There is cause to like it because every research embrassing society world over has never remained the same. Lee, Christine and all those with the same mind i find no cause for any panic. Share your Research with us; Cos, i need it and i know many others out there need it. And believe me whether pro or anti all alike will benefit if they put it to good use. Akile Sunday Igu Rocks (*Practicing Advocate with* *M/s Akile, Olok Advocates* *Kampala)* -- *From:* christine munduru cmund...@yahoo.com *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile westnilenet@kym.net *Sent:* Mon, May 3, 2010 4:27:23 PM *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Bushenyi vs West Nile Part A If I am right, milk is preserved fresh by using sustainable source of power. Was this also provided by the Bushenyi farmers? Will West Nile forum provide power for our people? How many of those cows have been given to people free or at subsidized prices in these regions we are proud of. How many of these have been given to West Nilers? Atleast recently I watch some of these cows being given to a group of women in some of those areas. I also agree that our people are generally lazy. Let us not deceive ourselves that without the good will of the government, we can do everything. We have a part to play and
Re: [WestNileNet] New mwmber.
Hi Kiggs, Could you add Fred Yikii (fred...@yahoo.co.uk) to our list. Thanks, Ben On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Samuel Feta fetas1...@hotmail.com wrote: -- Hi Kiggs, kindly add the following to this net group; ayikor...@yahoo.com Thanks. -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] New member
Hello Kiggs, May you please subscribe Fred Yikii (fyi...@forest.mak.ac.ug ) to our forum. Thank you, Bernard On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Andruma, Richard R andru...@stanbic.comwrote: Hi Kigs! Kindly add Ayikomundu Joel (*ayikom...@yahoo.co.uk)* to our forum Rgds. *From:* westnilenet-boun...@kym.net [mailto:westnilenet-boun...@kym.net] *On Behalf Of *Kiggundu *Sent:* 29/10/2009 16:27 *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] New member Done On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:03 PM, DRAMADRI JOSEPH wrote: Kigs Kindly add Ronnie Onzia (onzi...@yahoo.com) to the net. Dramadri Joseph --- On *Thu, 29/10/09, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com* wrote: ___ ** ** *Standard Bank email disclaimer and confidentiality note* Please go to http://www.standardbank.co.za/site/homepage/emaildisclaimer.html to read our email disclaimer and confidentiality note. Kindly email disclai...@standardbank.co.za (no content or subject line necessary) if you cannot view that page and we will email our email disclaimer and confidentiality note to you. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] Re: Public University in West Nile
Dear Vasco, I have read closely your arguement against establishment of a public university in Westnile. You have made a compelling case for infrastructure development as a top development priority for the region. In many of your previous postings, you have made great policy proposals for development of the region. Unfortunately, you are undoing all the previous good arguements by saying establishing a university is a misplaced priority for addressing the real development issues of the region. You have argued in favor of power, airport, a sewer system and a stable communication network. Why do you find it problematic if we have a public university and still address the issues you have listed? These are not mutually exclusive issues. You have adviced that our focus should instead be on the dilapidated educational infrasture at lower levels. This line of arguement is self-defeating because when you improve our primary and secondary schools, they produce students who would like to access university education. Through teaching, research and outreach activities, public universities improve overall educational systems in a region, including primary and secondary schools. Also, public universities have abilities, independent of government, to attract resources to a region. A public university has very many other associated development benefits that seem to escape your thinking. I suggest that you take some time to educate yourself on the role of public universities in regional development. You will probably discover that your arguement against establishing a public university as a top priority is actually anti-development of the region. I am really disappointed that you think a focus on a public university is misleading. One of the main aims of WNF is is raise educational standards in the region by producing more masters and PhDs in the region. Given this aim, do you really believe having a public university in the region is a misplaced priority? Thank you for being very active on this forum. Ben On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Vasco Oguzua ogu...@hotmail.com wrote: Reading from the various submissions about the Public University there is a sense that the operation of this given University will have the greatest impact and help develop the West Nile region more than ensuring West Nile has stable power supply, a good supply of clean water and sewerage system, Arua Airport is developed to international status, a stable communication network (all of these are infrastructure developments that are vital for the development of a region). I know I may be a lone dissenter, but I still submit that the idea of rushing for a university is a misplaced priority for the development of West Nile as a region. Many have mentioned the impact of Gulu university and Mbarara University as examples of how the respective areas where these Universities are found have developed. One thing they have not mentioned in their submission is that these two areas have been with relatively stable and sufficient electricity supply for more than 30 years and they are in the National Grid. Has the West nile region ever been in the National Grid. Take a view of the news which is in the papers: http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/855174/-/whyave/-/index.html Is West Nile not a part of the country that it has been excluded in the Nation rigid of Fibre Optics? Has the President be the one to give us or do us another favour of allowing Arua to be included in the National Grid of Fibre Optics. Infrastructure (roads, energy, water, airport, communications network) are what will provide more jobs, improve the economy and improve living conditions of the people in West Nile not a University. We should rather address the dilapidated conditions in our Primary and Secondary schools with such money and perhaps build more Vocational Technical schools which will train hands on skills for our young men and women. I think we really need to put in perspective the development priorities of West Nile Region as a whole and strategize on priorities we set rather than getting excited about what is given. The issue of organizing workshops to discuss development priority issues in West Nile therefore becomes a must, and a cross-section of the population in the region need to be invited for such a workshop because the general view of the people who we may be talking for advocating development for need to be corroborated into the decision process of the elite and professionals. May be that should be where we should begin rather than delve into a University which I am sure the local people on the ground have no knowledge of or are not informed about. The WNF as a civic organization should take the lead in organizing such workshops and people of various walks and interests should be invited and allowed to openly discuss these issues without fear and favour. Thanks, Vasco Oguzua --
Re: [WestNileNet] A must read. Message from the President West Nile Foundation
Colleagues, These are great ideas that are potentially transformative. I thank the team that has assembled these issues and presented them elegantly. The activities are indeed ambitious..which is great. I like the target for education,150 PhDs in 10 years! A PhD program takes any where between 3 and 7 years and is quite resource intensive. To achieve this target, we need massive enrollment in the next 3-4 years. That brings in the issue of financing. How shall we fund all the suggested interventions? Perhaps the less developed idea in the present document is sources of funding. Investments in say a school for the foundation and agricultural projects will bring returns in the long run, but what about the start up costs? The activities are all essential for the development of the region. Given their scale, we may need to prioritize, beginning with strengthening activities that are already underway such as those in the education sector. We could start by building a strong research, advocay and consultancy team that would help us focus on activities that have the greatest benefit to the region. Such a team would also provide leadership in resource mobilization through such activities as writing grant seeking proposals, lobbying development partners (donors), etc. Once again, thank you for the great job so far. Best regards, Ben On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, kindly get time and read this message. Your contributions and discussions will change the way we think and do things. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
Re: [WestNileNet] A must read. Message from the President West Nile Foundation
Colleagues, These are great ideas that are potentially transformative. I thank the team that has assembled these issues and presented them elegantly. The activities are indeed ambitious..which is great. I like the target for education,150 PhDs in 10 years! A PhD program takes any where between 3 and 7 years and is quite resource intensive. To achieve this target, we need massive enrollment in the next 3-4 years. That brings in the issue of financing. How shall we fund all the suggested interventions? Perhaps the less developed idea in the present document is sources of funding. Investments in say a school for the foundation and agricultural projects will bring returns in the long run, but what about the start up costs? The activities are all essential for the development of the region. Given their scale, we may need to prioritize, beginning with strengthening activities that are already underway such as those in the education sector. We could start by building a strong research, advocay and consultancy team that would help us focus on activities that have the greatest benefit to the region. Such a team would also provide leadership in resource mobilization through such activities as writing grant seeking proposals, lobbying development partners (donors), etc. Once again, thank you for the great job so far. Best regards, Ben On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Caleb Alaka calebal...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, kindly get time and read this message. Your contributions and discussions will change the way we think and do things. ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ ___ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ___
