Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
"Gisle Vanem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> And anyway, aren't Winsock functions supposed to set errno?  If they
>> don't, how does Wget report "connection refused", to name but one
>> example?  Wget relies on errno/strerror pretty heavily, and if that
>> were non-functional in such an obvious way, I'm sure someone would
>> have complained by now.
>
> Winsock (with MingW/MSVC/Watcom/DMC) does *not* set errno. How Wget
> on Windows could say "connection refused" I don't know. Sure it
> wasn't a CygWin version that said that?

I have no idea, I haven't tried it yet under Windows.  I just assumed
that, if it were broken, someone would have reported it by now.  I
could easily have been wrong...

> If you mean gettext should translate strerror() strings,

I didn't mean that.  libc should translate strerror() strings.  If it
doesn't do that, we simply don't care.  I misunderstood your statement
about strerror only returning sys_errlist entries to refer to Unix
strerror.

I guess we should stick to English messages after all.  The gettext
mechanism that Wget uses is probably almost impossible to map to the
Windows localization model, which means that something like LANG=de
wget would not work as intended.  (It would print German messages,
*except* for errors which would on my box be printed in Croatian.)



Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Gisle Vanem
"Hrvoje Niksic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Doesn't the host lookup code use herrmsg()?

I was thinking mostly of 'errno' in conjuction with connect().
 
> And anyway, aren't Winsock functions supposed to set errno?  If they
> don't, how does Wget report "connection refused", to name but one
> example?  Wget relies on errno/strerror pretty heavily, and if that
> were non-functional in such an obvious way, I'm sure someone would
> have complained by now.

Winsock (with MingW/MSVC/Watcom/DMC) does *not* set errno. How 
Wget on Windows could say "connection refused" I don't know. Sure it 
wasn't a CygWin version that said that?

> > But the problem is that sys_errlist[] always returns English texts,
> 
> That's not true.  strerror() is more than just an index into
> sys_errlist -- don't be confused by what you see in cmpt.c, that's
> just for ancient systems without strerror.  In non-English locales
> with translated error messages, Wget prints the translated ones.
> Which is how it should be, really.

MSVC's (and hence MingW''s) strerror() is that simple. MS seems
to think some ANSI functions are deprecated; use the core API
instead. E.g. I've never been able to get anything but localised time-
formats from setlocale (LC_ALL,"norwegian"). It doesn't make any 
difference on strerror() (Yet I use Norwegian Win-XP).

If you mean gettext should translate strerror() strings, how can it know
what all the Win compilers will return? (Watcom/DMC doesn't link to
MSCVRT.DLL as MSVC/MingW do so that would make 3 sets of
lists).

> I'd like to go the other way with consistency: use gettext in Windows
> builds!

Agree, but then few users are bothered with of gettext. The .po files 
also have a tendendcy to lag behind. The important thing is that Wget 
report a suitable error (not "Unknown error") when it can. Hence my 
proposed setting of 'errno' and 'win_strerror()' function.

--gv



Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
"Gisle Vanem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Hrvoje Niksic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>> Note that David's Wget seems to have printed "unknown error", not
>> "Host not found".  Is that an artifact of his version of system
>> libraries, or is Wget doing something wrong?
>
> That's because wget incorrectly uses strerror() for Winsock
> errors or uses 'errno' when that's not set.

Doesn't the host lookup code use herrmsg()?

And anyway, aren't Winsock functions supposed to set errno?  If they
don't, how does Wget report "connection refused", to name but one
example?  Wget relies on errno/strerror pretty heavily, and if that
were non-functional in such an obvious way, I'm sure someone would
have complained by now.

> The correct thing would be 
> to set 'errno' to last Winsock error and make a compatible function 
> that returns correct string for both sys-errors and WS errors. 
> E.g. we put this in mswindows.h:
>   #define strerror(err) win_strerror (err)
>   extern const char*win_strerror (int err);

That's fine, but I'd rather not do that unless I absolutely have to.

> But the problem is that sys_errlist[] always returns English texts,

That's not true.  strerror() is more than just an index into
sys_errlist -- don't be confused by what you see in cmpt.c, that's
just for ancient systems without strerror.  In non-English locales
with translated error messages, Wget prints the translated ones.
Which is how it should be, really.

> but Windows's FormatMessage() returns in native language. So to be
> consistent

I'd like to go the other way with consistency: use gettext in Windows
builds!

> I suggest we return English also for Winsock errors (easier when we
> receive a bug-report from a user without the proper wget.gmo file.
> Who ever uses NLS anyway?).

Well, as Francois Pinard once put it, computers speak entirely too
much English.  While I personally prefer English interfaces, I like
giving the users the choice to make their applications speak in their
language.

But translations shouldn't be imposed on users who don't want them.
I'd say, *if* the user has set up Wget to use her language, also
provide translated error messages (if possible).  Otherwise, use
English, as always.

If a user submits a bug report in a foreign language that we can't
decipher, we'll kindly ask her to resubmit the report with LANG unset
-- or however you do that kind of thing in Windows.  I don't believe
it will happen often.



Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Gisle Vanem
"Hrvoje Niksic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Note that David's Wget seems to have printed "unknown error", not
> "Host not found".  Is that an artifact of his version of system
> libraries, or is Wget doing something wrong?

That's because wget incorrectly uses strerror() for Winsock
errors or uses 'errno' when that's not set. The correct thing would be 
to set 'errno' to last Winsock error and make a compatible function 
that returns correct string for both sys-errors and WS errors. 
E.g. we put this in mswindows.h:
  #define strerror(err) win_strerror (err)
  extern const char*win_strerror (int err);  

But the problem is that sys_errlist[] always returns English texts, but
Windows's FormatMessage() returns in native language. So to be 
consistent, I suggest we return English also for Winsock errors (easier 
when we receive a bug-report from a user without the proper wget.gmo file.
Who ever uses NLS anyway?).

I could commit a patch if we agree on this.

--gv



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2003-10-15 Thread James, Brandon A.

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Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Gisle Vanem
"Hrvoje Niksic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Note that David's Wget seems to have printed "unknown error", not
> "Host not found".  Is that an artifact of his version of system
> libraries, or is Wget doing something wrong?

I don't know how/when Windows could print anything else 
what's already in herrmsg(): HOST_NOT_FOUND, NO_RECOVERY
NO_DATA, NO_ADDRESS or TRY_AGAIN. 
Should maybe print the error-number otherwise.

--gv



Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
"Gisle Vanem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip
>
> wget cannot find the host. Turn on -d option and observe:
>
> Location: http://www.yourworstenemy.com?tgpid=008d&refid=393627 [following]
> Closing fd 1952
> --13:38:35--  http://www.yourworstenemy.com/?tgpid=008d&refid=393627
>=> `tmp2/www.yourworstenemy.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&refid=393627'
> Resolving www.yourworstenemy.com... seconds 0.00, failed: Host not found.

Note that David's Wget seems to have printed "unknown error", not
"Host not found".  Is that an artifact of his version of system
libraries, or is Wget doing something wrong?


RE: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Herold Heiko
Seems more a DNS issue of that domain to me, at least here and now. That
page redirects to www.yourworstenemy.com which doesn't resolve:

whois www.yourworstenemy.com
Registrant:
HUMMEL, GREG (YOURWORSTENEMY-DOM)
...
  Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.BEST.COM 128.121.101.11
   NS2.BEST.COM 161.58.9.11
   NS3.BEST.COM 128.121.101.19

dig @ns1.best.com www.yourworstenemy.com A

; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> @ns1.best.com www.yourworstenemy.com A
; (1 server found)
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 55757
;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 0, Addit: 0
;; QUESTIONS:
;;  www.yourworstenemy.com, type = A, class = IN

;; Total query time: 1001 msec
;; FROM: ns to SERVER: ns1.best.com  128.121.101.11
;; WHEN: Wed Oct 15 14:46:06 2003
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 40  rcvd: 40

in other words, no answer. If you prefer:

c:\>nslookup
..
> server ns1.best.com
Server predefinito:  ns1.best.com
Address:  128.121.101.11

> www.yourworstenemy.com.
Server:  ns1.best.com
Address:  128.121.101.11

*** ns1.best.com non trova www.yourworstenemy.com.: Server failed

Heiko

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> -Original Message-
> From: Hrvoje Niksic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:22 PM
> To: David Drobny
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know what the problem is here.  Perhaps some of
> the Windows people can take over this one?
> 


Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Gisle Vanem
> Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

wget cannot find the host. Turn on -d option and observe:

Location: http://www.yourworstenemy.com?tgpid=008d&refid=393627 [following]
Closing fd 1952
--13:38:35--  http://www.yourworstenemy.com/?tgpid=008d&refid=393627
   => `tmp2/www.yourworstenemy.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&refid=393627'
Resolving www.yourworstenemy.com... seconds 0.00, failed: Host not found.

--gv





Re: Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread Hrvoje Niksic
Unfortunately, I don't know what the problem is here.  Perhaps some of
the Windows people can take over this one?


Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

2003-10-15 Thread David Drobny
Error in wget-1.9-b5.zip

Na co dávat důraz při zkušební jízdě? 
http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=62696%26url=http://www.auto-plus.cz/faq.php<>
--17:46:21--  http://www.digitalplayground.com/freepage.php?tgpid=008d&refid=393627
   => `/tmp2/www.digitalplayground.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&refid=393627'
Resolving www.digitalplayground.com... 64.38.205.100
Connecting to www.digitalplayground.com[64.38.205.100]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://www.yourworstenemy.com?tgpid=008d&refid=393627 [following]
--17:46:23--  http://www.yourworstenemy.com/?tgpid=008d&refid=393627
   => `/tmp2/www.yourworstenemy.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&refid=393627'
Resolving www.yourworstenemy.com... failed: Unknown error.

FINISHED --17:46:36--
Downloaded: 0 bytes in 0 files
Converted 0 files in 0.00 seconds.


Re: wget and ipv6 (1.6 beta5) serious bugs

2003-10-15 Thread Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
On Wednesday 15 of October 2003 12:11, Thomas Lussnig wrote:

> Ok this is clear, but than why become the aplication an binary IPv6
> enabled one
> if the PC have no IPv6 support ?
Because I'm using packages provided by Linux distribution which needs ipv6 
because some users are using it.

> I thought the configure script checked
> if the pc
> have IPv6 support. and yes both of the sugested workarounds would do it.
Checking at configure time if host on which I'm compiling does support 
socket(AF_INET6, ...) is stupid. It should only check if it's able to use 
getaddrinfo(), genameinfo() and so on while the code should be written in 
family independent way.

I always can compile on one host and use it on a other. Also in future there 
will be way to unload ipv6 module from Linux kernel. What then?

> But there are two problems with them.
>
> 1. If you try to create an IPv6 socket only to check the IPv6 support i
> think this is
> like try and error that is not one of the best choice.
Yes, best choice is to write app in family independent way.

> 2. DNS can support IPv6 even if the OS is not IPv6 aware. So the use of
> the DNS
> and try thorugh is also try and error, wich is acceptable since it is
> defined that you
> can try the next Adress if one does not work. But it does not check the
> return value.
What I wrote was pseudo code not real code - only to show the idea. Of course 
errors should be checked and if error && res->ai_next != NULL then try 
ai_next.

> So it retry each time if one version work or not.
There is also AI_ADDRCONFIG option which causes that getaddrinfo() returns 
only these families which are supported by the system.

> 3. The major problem is that on such IPv4 only system. Even the parser
> should complain
> about an unsupported Adress in the url if there an IPv6 is specified.
No. On such system connection to ipv6 host is not possible and that is what 
should be in error message. ,,Familly not supported'' and try ai->next then.

The keyword for ipv6 things is ,,family independent'' rather than ,,ipv6 
ready''.

> Cu Thomas

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