Re: [whatwg] new tag and possible new aria role

2017-11-12 Thread Michael A. Peters 
Was just informed that using aria-hidden solves the problem of content 
being there that shouldn't be seen in a screen reader until agreed, so 
that issue has a solution too.


I guess none of this really is meaningful to this list - sorry for the 
noise.


On 11/12/2017 04:18 AM, Michael A. Peters wrote:

Yes but since I always have the div first in HTML the user is likely to
always be aware of it, so skipping it in a screen reader is really
little different than just pressing the agree button - they have been
informed of the type of content.

On 11/12/2017 04:09 AM, Johannes Spangenberg wrote:

There is another problem with Modals on webpages. When there is a modal
created through HTML and CSS, the user can still select items in the
background by pressing tab. It seems that there is no good solution to
prevent it.


Am 12.11.2017 um 09:59 schrieb Michael A. Peters:

Thank you! That does seem like it is exactly what I need.

On 11/12/2017 12:11 AM, Yay295 wrote:

I think the alertdialog role fits here.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Techniques/Using_the_alertdialog_role



On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Michael A. Peters

wrote:


On webites that either are age restricted and/or have content that
may be
offensive to some people, often (but not as often as I'd like) there
is a
warning splashscreen that the server puts in the page if the user
has not
already agreed to see such content.

One way to do this is with a div that has absolute positioning and a
z-index that covers the content until the user clicks enter or
whatever,
then it does an ajax call to lett the server the user has verified
they
want to see the content and removes the div.

I would suggest a tagName "splashscreen" for this purpose. It would
have
the same properties as a div only it would have semantic meaning so
that
people using screen readers would know it is important.

An aria landmark of splashscreen would also properly distinguish it
from
complementary which is what I currently use for it (I would use
banner but
only one banner landmark per page is allowed).

Just a thought, I won't defend the thought but if it seems
reasonable to
the powers that be, I think it is worth it.

These splash screens do serve a different purpose than any other
semantic
tag.

Re: [whatwg] new tag and possible new aria role

2017-11-12 Thread Michael A. Peters 
Yes but since I always have the div first in HTML the user is likely to 
always be aware of it, so skipping it in a screen reader is really 
little different than just pressing the agree button - they have been 
informed of the type of content.


On 11/12/2017 04:09 AM, Johannes Spangenberg wrote:

There is another problem with Modals on webpages. When there is a modal
created through HTML and CSS, the user can still select items in the
background by pressing tab. It seems that there is no good solution to
prevent it.


Am 12.11.2017 um 09:59 schrieb Michael A. Peters:

Thank you! That does seem like it is exactly what I need.

On 11/12/2017 12:11 AM, Yay295 wrote:

I think the alertdialog role fits here.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Techniques/Using_the_alertdialog_role


On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Michael A. Peters

wrote:


On webites that either are age restricted and/or have content that
may be
offensive to some people, often (but not as often as I'd like) there
is a
warning splashscreen that the server puts in the page if the user
has not
already agreed to see such content.

One way to do this is with a div that has absolute positioning and a
z-index that covers the content until the user clicks enter or
whatever,
then it does an ajax call to lett the server the user has verified they
want to see the content and removes the div.

I would suggest a tagName "splashscreen" for this purpose. It would
have
the same properties as a div only it would have semantic meaning so
that
people using screen readers would know it is important.

An aria landmark of splashscreen would also properly distinguish it
from
complementary which is what I currently use for it (I would use
banner but
only one banner landmark per page is allowed).

Just a thought, I won't defend the thought but if it seems
reasonable to
the powers that be, I think it is worth it.

These splash screens do serve a different purpose than any other
semantic
tag.

Re: [whatwg] new tag and possible new aria role

2017-11-12 Thread Johannes Spangenberg 
There is another problem with Modals on webpages. When there is a modal 
created through HTML and CSS, the user can still select items in the 
background by pressing tab. It seems that there is no good solution to 
prevent it.


Am 12.11.2017 um 09:59 schrieb Michael A. Peters:
> Thank you! That does seem like it is exactly what I need.
>
> On 11/12/2017 12:11 AM, Yay295 wrote:
>> I think the alertdialog role fits here.
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Techniques/Using_the_alertdialog_role
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Michael A. Peters 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On webites that either are age restricted and/or have content that 
>>> may be
>>> offensive to some people, often (but not as often as I'd like) there 
>>> is a
>>> warning splashscreen that the server puts in the page if the user 
>>> has not
>>> already agreed to see such content.
>>>
>>> One way to do this is with a div that has absolute positioning and a
>>> z-index that covers the content until the user clicks enter or 
>>> whatever,
>>> then it does an ajax call to lett the server the user has verified they
>>> want to see the content and removes the div.
>>>
>>> I would suggest a tagName "splashscreen" for this purpose. It would 
>>> have
>>> the same properties as a div only it would have semantic meaning so 
>>> that
>>> people using screen readers would know it is important.
>>>
>>> An aria landmark of splashscreen would also properly distinguish it 
>>> from
>>> complementary which is what I currently use for it (I would use 
>>> banner but
>>> only one banner landmark per page is allowed).
>>>
>>> Just a thought, I won't defend the thought but if it seems 
>>> reasonable to
>>> the powers that be, I think it is worth it.
>>>
>>> These splash screens do serve a different purpose than any other 
>>> semantic
>>> tag.
>>>
>

Re: [whatwg] new tag and possible new aria role

2017-11-12 Thread Michael A. Peters 

Thank you! That does seem like it is exactly what I need.

On 11/12/2017 12:11 AM, Yay295 wrote:

I think the alertdialog role fits here.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Techniques/Using_the_alertdialog_role

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Michael A. Peters 
wrote:


On webites that either are age restricted and/or have content that may be
offensive to some people, often (but not as often as I'd like) there is a
warning splashscreen that the server puts in the page if the user has not
already agreed to see such content.

One way to do this is with a div that has absolute positioning and a
z-index that covers the content until the user clicks enter or whatever,
then it does an ajax call to lett the server the user has verified they
want to see the content and removes the div.

I would suggest a tagName "splashscreen" for this purpose. It would have
the same properties as a div only it would have semantic meaning so that
people using screen readers would know it is important.

An aria landmark of splashscreen would also properly distinguish it from
complementary which is what I currently use for it (I would use banner but
only one banner landmark per page is allowed).

Just a thought, I won't defend the thought but if it seems reasonable to
the powers that be, I think it is worth it.

These splash screens do serve a different purpose than any other semantic
tag.

Re: [whatwg] new tag and possible new aria role

2017-11-12 Thread Yay295 
I think the alertdialog role fits here.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Techniques/Using_the_alertdialog_role

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Michael A. Peters 
wrote:

> On webites that either are age restricted and/or have content that may be
> offensive to some people, often (but not as often as I'd like) there is a
> warning splashscreen that the server puts in the page if the user has not
> already agreed to see such content.
>
> One way to do this is with a div that has absolute positioning and a
> z-index that covers the content until the user clicks enter or whatever,
> then it does an ajax call to lett the server the user has verified they
> want to see the content and removes the div.
>
> I would suggest a tagName "splashscreen" for this purpose. It would have
> the same properties as a div only it would have semantic meaning so that
> people using screen readers would know it is important.
>
> An aria landmark of splashscreen would also properly distinguish it from
> complementary which is what I currently use for it (I would use banner but
> only one banner landmark per page is allowed).
>
> Just a thought, I won't defend the thought but if it seems reasonable to
> the powers that be, I think it is worth it.
>
> These splash screens do serve a different purpose than any other semantic
> tag.
>

[whatwg] new tag and possible new aria role

2017-11-12 Thread Michael A. Peters 
On webites that either are age restricted and/or have content that may 
be offensive to some people, often (but not as often as I'd like) there 
is a warning splashscreen that the server puts in the page if the user 
has not already agreed to see such content.


One way to do this is with a div that has absolute positioning and a 
z-index that covers the content until the user clicks enter or whatever, 
then it does an ajax call to lett the server the user has verified they 
want to see the content and removes the div.


I would suggest a tagName "splashscreen" for this purpose. It would have 
the same properties as a div only it would have semantic meaning so that 
people using screen readers would know it is important.


An aria landmark of splashscreen would also properly distinguish it from 
complementary which is what I currently use for it (I would use banner 
but only one banner landmark per page is allowed).


Just a thought, I won't defend the thought but if it seems reasonable to 
the powers that be, I think it is worth it.


These splash screens do serve a different purpose than any other 
semantic tag.

Re: [whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Brian Kardell 
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Karl Dubost  wrote:

>
> Le 2 avr. 2016 à 04:04, Daniel Murphy  a écrit :
> > we wouldn't want to waste our expensive
> > smell synthesis technology on the likes of webcrawlers and other robots
> who
> > wouldn't benefit.
>
>
> Yup. User agent sniffing definitely stinks.
>
> --
> Karl Dubost 
> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
>
>
I get a scents we should be worried about network congestion.

-- 
Brian Kardell :: @briankardell :: hitchjs.com

Re: [whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Karl Dubost 

Le 2 avr. 2016 à 04:04, Daniel Murphy  a écrit :
> we wouldn't want to waste our expensive
> smell synthesis technology on the likes of webcrawlers and other robots who
> wouldn't benefit.


Yup. User agent sniffing definitely stinks.

-- 
Karl Dubost 
http://www.la-grange.net/karl/

Re: [whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Daniel Murphy 
We need the detection api because we wouldn't want to waste our expensive
smell synthesis technology on the likes of webcrawlers and other robots who
wouldn't benefit.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:01 PM Daniel Murphy  wrote:

> Don't forget, we also need:
>
> *SmellEvent*
>
>- "onsmellchanged"
>- "onsmellstart"
>- "onsmellend"
>- "ongoodsmell"
>- "onbadsmell"
>
> And the new detection api:
> window.doesUserHaveNose() : Promise
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:14 AM Delfi Ramirez 
> wrote:
>
>> Garrett et al:
>>
>> I really appreciate your delicate sense of humour.  Not sure if all the
>> people in the list does the same.
>>
>> We all know  a computer-- opossite to we human beings - is unable to
>> interpret correctly, unconciently,  the information  pheromones and
>> smells have. I am speaking now like that old student of Biology Sciences
>> who is not anymore.
>>
>> But you have hit the nail with your delicate sense of humour. Really.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Delfi Ramirez
>>
>> My digital signature [1]
>>
>> +34 633 589231
>>  del...@segonquart.net [2]
>>
>> twitter: delfinramirez
>>
>>  IRC: segonquart Skype: segonquart [3]
>>
>> http://segonquart.net
>>
>> http://delfiramirez.info
>>  [4]
>>
>> On 2016-04-01 18:09, Garrett Smith wrote:
>>
>> > There has been good progress in HTML5 for  and .
>> >
>> > But the  tag has been missing -- why?
>> >
>> > Well no longer, now thanks to a new game-changing proposal:
>> > 
>> >
>> > But it occurred to me: This could be huge paradigm shift in towards
>> Internet Odorous Things.
>> >
>> > boolean `navigator.isSmellEnabled`
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > --
>> > Garrett
>> > Guitar Videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY_uK9hur86KEuiG8s7yvWw
>> > @xkit
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> --
>> [1] http://delfiramirez.info/public/dr_public_key.asc
>> [2] mail:%20del...@segonquart.net
>> [3] skype:segonquart
>> [4] http://delfiramirez.info
>>
>

Re: [whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Daniel Murphy 
Don't forget, we also need:

*SmellEvent*

   - "onsmellchanged"
   - "onsmellstart"
   - "onsmellend"
   - "ongoodsmell"
   - "onbadsmell"

And the new detection api:
window.doesUserHaveNose() : Promise


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:14 AM Delfi Ramirez  wrote:

> Garrett et al:
>
> I really appreciate your delicate sense of humour.  Not sure if all the
> people in the list does the same.
>
> We all know  a computer-- opossite to we human beings - is unable to
> interpret correctly, unconciently,  the information  pheromones and
> smells have. I am speaking now like that old student of Biology Sciences
> who is not anymore.
>
> But you have hit the nail with your delicate sense of humour. Really.
>
> Kind regards
>
> ---
>
> Delfi Ramirez
>
> My digital signature [1]
>
> +34 633 589231
>  del...@segonquart.net [2]
>
> twitter: delfinramirez
>
>  IRC: segonquart Skype: segonquart [3]
>
> http://segonquart.net
>
> http://delfiramirez.info
>  [4]
>
> On 2016-04-01 18:09, Garrett Smith wrote:
>
> > There has been good progress in HTML5 for  and .
> >
> > But the  tag has been missing -- why?
> >
> > Well no longer, now thanks to a new game-changing proposal:
> > 
> >
> > But it occurred to me: This could be huge paradigm shift in towards
> Internet Odorous Things.
> >
> > boolean `navigator.isSmellEnabled`
> >
> > Thank you,
> > --
> > Garrett
> > Guitar Videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY_uK9hur86KEuiG8s7yvWw
> > @xkit
>
>
> Links:
> --
> [1] http://delfiramirez.info/public/dr_public_key.asc
> [2] mail:%20del...@segonquart.net
> [3] skype:segonquart
> [4] http://delfiramirez.info
>

Re: [whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Garrett Smith 
Just a lighthearted April Fools, and that's it. 

Sorry if it made anyone upset.

Sent from my bathroom

Attachment: poo.sm

> On Apr 1, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Delfi Ramirez  wrote:
> 
> Garrett et al:
> 
> I really appreciate your delicate sense of humour.  Not sure if all the 
> people in the list does the same.
> 
> We all know  a computer-- opossite to we human beings - is unable to 
> interpret correctly, unconciently,  the information  pheromones and smells 
> have. I am speaking now like that old student of Biology Sciences who is not 
> anymore.
> 
> But you have hit the nail with your delicate sense of humour. Really.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> ---
> Delfi Ramirez
> My digital signature
> 
> +34 633 589231
>  del...@segonquart.net 
> twitter: delfinramirez
>  IRC: segonquart Skype: segonquart
> http://segonquart.net
> http://delfiramirez.info
>  
> 
>> On 2016-04-01 18:09, Garrett Smith wrote:
>> 
>> There has been good progress in HTML5 for  and .
>> 
>> But the  tag has been missing — why?
>> 
>> Well no longer, now thanks to a new game-changing proposal:
>> 
>> 
>> But it occurred to me: This could be huge paradigm shift in towards Internet 
>> Odorous Things.
>> 
>> boolean `navigator.isSmellEnabled`
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> -- 
>> Garrett
>> Guitar Videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY_uK9hur86KEuiG8s7yvWw
>> @xkit

Re: [whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Delfi Ramirez 
Garrett et al: 

I really appreciate your delicate sense of humour.  Not sure if all the
people in the list does the same. 

We all know  a computer-- opossite to we human beings - is unable to
interpret correctly, unconciently,  the information  pheromones and
smells have. I am speaking now like that old student of Biology Sciences
who is not anymore. 

But you have hit the nail with your delicate sense of humour. Really. 

Kind regards

---

Delfi Ramirez

My digital signature [1]

+34 633 589231
 del...@segonquart.net [2] 

twitter: delfinramirez

 IRC: segonquart Skype: segonquart [3]

http://segonquart.net

http://delfiramirez.info
 [4]

On 2016-04-01 18:09, Garrett Smith wrote:

> There has been good progress in HTML5 for  and .
> 
> But the  tag has been missing -- why?
> 
> Well no longer, now thanks to a new game-changing proposal:
> 
> 
> But it occurred to me: This could be huge paradigm shift in towards Internet 
> Odorous Things.
> 
> boolean `navigator.isSmellEnabled`
> 
> Thank you,
> -- 
> Garrett
> Guitar Videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY_uK9hur86KEuiG8s7yvWw
> @xkit
 

Links:
--
[1] http://delfiramirez.info/public/dr_public_key.asc
[2] mail:%20del...@segonquart.net
[3] skype:segonquart
[4] http://delfiramirez.info

[whatwg] New tag

2016-04-01 Thread Garrett Smith 
There has been good progress in HTML5 for  and .

But the  tag has been missing — why?

Well no longer, now thanks to a new game-changing proposal:


But it occurred to me: This could be huge paradigm shift in towards Internet 
Odorous Things.

boolean `navigator.isSmellEnabled`

Thank you,
-- 
Garrett
Guitar Videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY_uK9hur86KEuiG8s7yvWw
@xkit