Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Do either of you have a minimum font size preference set? Yes, I have a 16 point minimum font size set; and removing that moved the boxes out of the way. It also made the text in the boxes so small as to be noticeably more difficult to read. The spec text is still comfortably legible though. (Many other sites aren't so legible of course.) -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote on 8/10/2009 1:26 PM: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Do either of you have a minimum font size preference set? Yes, I have a 16 point minimum font size set; and removing that moved the boxes out of the way. It also made the text in the boxes so small as to be noticeably more difficult to read. The spec text is still comfortably legible though. (Many other sites aren't so legible of course.) As an alternative, in FF and IE (and probably other UAs), you can use ctrl-plus and ctrl-minus to grow and shrink the page content. - Bil
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
Am Montag, den 10.08.2009, 13:38 -0500 schrieb Bil Corry: As an alternative, in FF and IE (and probably other UAs), you can use ctrl-plus and ctrl-minus to grow and shrink the page content. Or, the stylesheet could just properly depend on the fontsize, eg. by using EM units. -- Nils Dagsson Moskopp http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Smylers wrote: I experienced this recently with a minimum font size set (in Firefox). I tracked it down to something like this (sorry, that was on another computer, so this is from memory): * The main content's left margin, in which the boxes have to fit, is specified relative to the main content's text size. * The boxes' font size is specified as a proportion of the main content's font size. * The boxes' width is specified relative to the boxes' font size. And because of the previous two points this is relative to the main content's left margin, so is always less than that margin regardless of the main font size. * But with a minimum font size set in the UI, the actual box font size can end up larger than that computed above. The boxes' width are then correspondingly bigger, and may now be wider than the main content's left margin. I prototyped a fix for this, which went something like: Instead of setting the smaller font on the boxes, set it on all their children (.box * -- or whatever the class name is). This still makes the text smaller. But that leaves the width of the box being specified relative to the main content font -- the same as the margin it needs to fit in. As such it's trivial to pick a size that always fits. I hadn't yet submitted this because I first planned to try it in more browsers. In particular I'm concerned that the child selector isn't support in some IE versions. I applied the above suggestions. On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Justin Lebar wrote: Unbeknownst to me, I had a minimum font size of 12pt set. FWIW, I don't remember setting this, so it may have been a default. On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: Yes, I have a 16 point minimum font size set; and removing that moved the boxes out of the way. It also made the text in the boxes so small as to be noticeably more difficult to read. The spec text is still comfortably legible though. (Many other sites aren't so legible of course.) Hopefully the boxes no longer overlap the text. On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Or, the stylesheet could just properly depend on the fontsize, eg. by using EM units. It actually did (and still does), the problem was that it was going below the minimum font-size threshold. HTH, -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: I suspect I'm missing something obvious but is there a way to turn off the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft spec? They seem to cover some of the text I'd like to read. If they cover up any of the text, that is a bug. What browser are you using? Firefox 3.0.11, Linux. I haven't been able to reproduce this. Does your setup have any particular configuration options that I'm not overriding properly? e.g. do you have an unusual default font size, or something like that? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
Same issue on Firefox 3.5.1 Mac at various font sizes. :-( -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: Same issue on Firefox 3.5.1 Mac at various font sizes. :-( On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Justin Lebar wrote: Happens to me on Ubuntu 9.04 with FF 3.5.2. Screenshot at [1] http://stanford.edu/~jlebar/moz/screen1.png Do either of you have a minimum font size preference set? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
Ian Hickson writes: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft spec? They seem to cover some of the text I'd like to read. If they cover up any of the text, that is a bug. I experienced this recently with a minimum font size set (in Firefox). I tracked it down to something like this (sorry, that was on another computer, so this is from memory): * The main content's left margin, in which the boxes have to fit, is specified relative to the main content's text size. * The boxes' font size is specified as a proportion of the main content's font size. * The boxes' width is specified relative to the boxes' font size. And because of the previous two points this is relative to the main content's left margin, so is always less than that margin regardless of the main font size. * But with a minimum font size set in the UI, the actual box font size can end up larger than that computed above. The boxes' width are then correspondingly bigger, and may now be wider than the main content's left margin. I prototyped a fix for this, which went something like: Instead of setting the smaller font on the boxes, set it on all their children (.box * -- or whatever the class name is). This still makes the text smaller. But that leaves the width of the box being specified relative to the main content font -- the same as the margin it needs to fit in. As such it's trivial to pick a size that always fits. I hadn't yet submitted this because I first planned to try it in more browsers. In particular I'm concerned that the child selector isn't support in some IE versions. Hope that helps. Smylers
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
Unbeknownst to me, I had a minimum font size of 12pt set. FWIW, I don't remember setting this, so it may have been a default. -Justin On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: Same issue on Firefox 3.5.1 Mac at various font sizes. :-( On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Justin Lebar wrote: Happens to me on Ubuntu 9.04 with FF 3.5.2. Screenshot at [1] http://stanford.edu/~jlebar/moz/screen1.png Do either of you have a minimum font size preference set? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--,'``. fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
[whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
I suspect I'm missing something obvious but is there a way to turn off the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft spec? They seem to cover some of the text I'd like to read. -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: I suspect I'm missing something obvious but is there a way to turn off the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft spec? They seem to cover some of the text I'd like to read. If they cover up any of the text, that is a bug. What browser are you using? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Reading spec without boxes
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: I suspect I'm missing something obvious but is there a way to turn off the little status boxes in the left margins on the draft spec? They seem to cover some of the text I'd like to read. If they cover up any of the text, that is a bug. What browser are you using? Firefox 3.0.11, Linux. -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org
