Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-26 Thread Aux 
width="*" in tables means that this cell will take all possible width. 
There is no AFAIK such attr in CSS.


Brenton Strine wrote:

I don't think that code works. I can't get it to. At
least, if it does, it is extremely fragile and breaks if
everything else isn't set exactly right.

Is there an equivelant of the "*" in CSS? I don't think
there is.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:35 AM
To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new
element/attribute

This code works fine. The only thing is to move * width
into CSS.



   
  blablabla
  . . .
   
    



Brenton Strine wrote:
  

Consider this case:

You have a table one row high with two cells. It's


width is 100%.
  

You want the width of the left cell to be only as big

as the content, 
  

and you want the right cell to take up all the rest of


the space.
  

However, the amount of content in both the right and

the left cell 
  

changes, so you can't give a percent or a pixel width.

In that situation, you could either 1) intentionally

give the right 
  

cell an incorrect width of 100%, or 2) put a whole lot

of invisible 
  

text in it, so that the cell always expands enough to

make the left 
  

cell only the minimum size needed.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Brenton Strine
Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new


element/attribute
  

This sounds very much like something that should be

done in CSS, not 
  

HTML. But can you explain what you mean by "expand ...

as if it were 
  

full of text"? If something is already a given size,

then filling it 
  

with text should not make it expand.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Brenton Strine wrote:
  


Hello,

I am new here, so please let me know if I am doing
  
anything out of 
  

order.

I would like to make a suggestion for soemthing I want

  

to
  


see in HTML5.

I call it the inflate tag. .

The purpose of this tag is to expand that which

  

contains
  


it as if it were full of text. I have seen many

  

websites
  


where the designers were forced to put long strings of
  
hidden text 
  

into a cell in order to make it expand correctly. Thus
  
text browsers 
  

find strange segments

  

like
  


this:

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
  

w
  

  

w
  


w w w w w w w w

Of course, developers already have the ability to

  

specify
  


the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons
  
of other stuff. 
  

But there are times, particularly in fluid design,
  
when you can't get 
  

the div to work the way you want without text to
  

expand it.
  

This could even be an attribute rather than a tag:
width="inflate".

Brenton

Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-26 Thread Aux 

This code works fine. The only thing is to move * width into CSS.


   
  
 blablabla
 . . .
  
   
   


Brenton Strine wrote:

Consider this case:

You have a table one row high with two cells. It's width
is 100%.

You want the width of the left cell to be only as big as
the content, and you want the right cell to take up all
the rest of the space.

However, the amount of content in both the right and the
left cell changes, so you can't give a percent or a pixel
width. 


In that situation, you could either 1) intentionally give
the right cell an incorrect width of 100%, or 2) put a
whole lot of invisible text in it, so that the cell
always expands enough to make the left cell only the
minimum size needed.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:44 PM

To: Brenton Strine
Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new
element/attribute

This sounds very much like something that should be done
in CSS, not HTML. But can you explain what you mean by
"expand ... as if it were full of text"? If something is
already a given size, then filling it with text should
not make it expand.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Brenton Strine wrote:
  

Hello,

I am new here, so please let me know if I am doing
anything out of order.

I would like to make a suggestion for soemthing I want


to
  

see in HTML5.

I call it the inflate tag. .

The purpose of this tag is to expand that which


contains
  

it as if it were full of text. I have seen many


websites
  

where the designers were forced to put long strings of
hidden text into a cell in order to make it expand
correctly. Thus text browsers find strange segments


like
  

this:

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w


w
  
w w w w w w w w 


Of course, developers already have the ability to


specify
  

the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons of
other stuff. But there are times, particularly in fluid
design, when you can't get the div to work the way you
want without text to expand it.

This could even be an attribute rather than a tag:
width="inflate".

Brenton

Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-25 Thread gary turner 

Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:23:37 +0200, Brenton Strine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



The purpose of this tag is to expand that which contains
it as if it were full of text. I have seen many websites
where the designers were forced to put long strings of
hidden text into a cell in order to make it expand
correctly. Thus text browsers find strange segments like
this:

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w

Of course, developers already have the ability to specify
the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons of
other stuff. But there are times, particularly in fluid
design, when you can't get the div to work the way you
want without text to expand it.


Whenever it's impossible to use CSS to specify the width, it's CSS that 
should be fixed, not HTML.



That functionality is well supported x-browser with css.

cheers,

gary

Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-25 Thread Brenton Strine 
Consider this case:

You have a table one row high with two cells. It's width
is 100%.

You want the width of the left cell to be only as big as
the content, and you want the right cell to take up all
the rest of the space.

However, the amount of content in both the right and the
left cell changes, so you can't give a percent or a pixel
width. 

In that situation, you could either 1) intentionally give
the right cell an incorrect width of 100%, or 2) put a
whole lot of invisible text in it, so that the cell
always expands enough to make the left cell only the
minimum size needed.

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Brenton Strine
Cc: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new
element/attribute

This sounds very much like something that should be done
in CSS, not HTML. But can you explain what you mean by
"expand ... as if it were full of text"? If something is
already a given size, then filling it with text should
not make it expand.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Brenton Strine wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new here, so please let me know if I am doing
> anything out of order.
> 
> I would like to make a suggestion for soemthing I want
to
> see in HTML5.
> 
> I call it the inflate tag. .
> 
> The purpose of this tag is to expand that which
contains
> it as if it were full of text. I have seen many
websites
> where the designers were forced to put long strings of
> hidden text into a cell in order to make it expand
> correctly. Thus text browsers find strange segments
like
> this:
> 
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w
> w w w w w w w w 
> 
> Of course, developers already have the ability to
specify
> the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons of
> other stuff. But there are times, particularly in fluid
> design, when you can't get the div to work the way you
> want without text to expand it.
> 
> This could even be an attribute rather than a tag:
> width="inflate".
> 
> Brenton
>

Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-25 Thread Alexey Feldgendler 
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:23:37 +0200, Brenton Strine  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



The purpose of this tag is to expand that which contains
it as if it were full of text. I have seen many websites
where the designers were forced to put long strings of
hidden text into a cell in order to make it expand
correctly. Thus text browsers find strange segments like
this:

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w

Of course, developers already have the ability to specify
the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons of
other stuff. But there are times, particularly in fluid
design, when you can't get the div to work the way you
want without text to expand it.


Whenever it's impossible to use CSS to specify the width, it's CSS that  
should be fixed, not HTML.



--
Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com

Re: [whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-25 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis 
This sounds very much like something that should be done in CSS, not 
HTML. But can you explain what you mean by "expand ... as if it were 
full of text"? If something is already a given size, then filling it 
with text should not make it expand.


--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Brenton Strine wrote:

Hello,

I am new here, so please let me know if I am doing
anything out of order.

I would like to make a suggestion for soemthing I want to
see in HTML5.

I call it the inflate tag. .

The purpose of this tag is to expand that which contains
it as if it were full of text. I have seen many websites
where the designers were forced to put long strings of
hidden text into a cell in order to make it expand
correctly. Thus text browsers find strange segments like
this:

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w 


Of course, developers already have the ability to specify
the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons of
other stuff. But there are times, particularly in fluid
design, when you can't get the div to work the way you
want without text to expand it.

This could even be an attribute rather than a tag:
width="inflate".

Brenton

[whatwg] Suggestion for new element/attribute

2007-04-25 Thread Brenton Strine 
Hello,

I am new here, so please let me know if I am doing
anything out of order.

I would like to make a suggestion for soemthing I want to
see in HTML5.

I call it the inflate tag. .

The purpose of this tag is to expand that which contains
it as if it were full of text. I have seen many websites
where the designers were forced to put long strings of
hidden text into a cell in order to make it expand
correctly. Thus text browsers find strange segments like
this:

w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w
w w w w w w w w 

Of course, developers already have the ability to specify
the width in terms of pixels, ems, percent, and tons of
other stuff. But there are times, particularly in fluid
design, when you can't get the div to work the way you
want without text to expand it.

This could even be an attribute rather than a tag:
width="inflate".

Brenton