Re: [whatwg] Time and Date (was: Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5)
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Colin Lieberman wrote:
> Matthew Raymond wrote:
> >
> > I support the element for the opposite reason, in fact. I don't
> > want to see authors styling the date format. I'd rather see the date
> > format localized or customized to a user preference. If the author
> > wants it in a specific format, they can use CSS to style the element
> > in such a way as to show its contents:
> >
> > HTML:
> > | (*)???;YY;D???(*)
> >
> > CSS (using css3-content):
> > | time { content: contents; }
>
> I agree to a point. Time and date should be machine readable in markup,
> but I don't know if UAs should *default* to user preference over-riding
> the author's chosen format.
>
> My argument here is cultural or sociological - If, in 10 years, kids
> grew up only ever seeing dates presented in one format, they wouldn't
> learn about how dates work elsewhere. This seems like a small thing, but
> I think the flavor of dealing with varieties of date formats is just one
> way that we get to participate in a really cool, big world full of lots
> of different people.
I think it is highly unlikely that would be so successful as to
hide all other date formats from users. Would we only be so lucky!
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[whatwg] Time and Date (was: Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5)
Matthew Raymond wrote:
I support the element for the opposite reason, in fact. I
don't want to see authors styling the date format. I'd rather see the
date format localized or customized to a user preference. If the author
wants it in a specific format, they can use CSS to style the element in
such a way as to show its contents:
HTML:
| (*)???;YY;D???(*)
CSS (using css3-content):
| time { content: contents; }
I agree to a point. Time and date should be machine readable in markup,
but I don't know if UAs should *default* to user preference over-riding
the author's chosen format.
My argument here is cultural or sociological - If, in 10 years, kids
grew up only ever seeing dates presented in one format, they wouldn't
learn about how dates work elsewhere. This seems like a small thing, but
I think the flavor of dealing with varieties of date formats is just one
way that we get to participate in a really cool, big world full of lots
of different people.
Yes - dates should be standardized for machines. This allows AT to help
folks with (for example) learning disabilities.
No - people should not only be served one flavor of date format unless
they need it.
Just my two cents,
Colin Lieberman
