Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren

On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:45:43 -0700, Ian Melven imel...@mozilla.com wrote:
- although the HTML5 spec deprecates the frame tag, there's been a  
couple of people
asking if frame will support @sandbox - thoughts and opinions here  
welcome, although
this may be 'off topic' if the list is purely concerned with the HTML5  
spec, please just let me know if so.


It seems wrong to me to add new features to obsoleted features. If there  
are good reasons for using frame, maybe it should be made conforming. If  
there are no such reasons, there are no reasons either for adding new  
features to it.



--
Anne van Kesteren
http://annevankesteren.nl/


Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-09 Thread Boris Zbarsky

On 11/9/11 9:25 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

It seems wrong to me to add new features to obsoleted features. If there
are good reasons for using frame, maybe it should be made conforming.
If there are no such reasons, there are no reasons either for adding new
features to it.


Well, there's implementation and conceptual simplicity.  Saying that 
@sandbox works for all browsing contexts is a lot simpler than saying it 
works for a particular white- or black-list of tag names.


-Boris



Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren

On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:52:43 -0800, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote:

On 11/9/11 9:25 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

It seems wrong to me to add new features to obsoleted features. If there
are good reasons for using frame, maybe it should be made conforming.
If there are no such reasons, there are no reasons either for adding new
features to it.


Well, there's implementation and conceptual simplicity.  Saying that  
@sandbox works for all browsing contexts is a lot simpler than saying it  
works for a particular white- or black-list of tag names.


Given the way object sometimes creates a browsing context and sometimes  
not (e.g. for images) I think we already lost that kind of simplicity.


And seamless/height/width do not make sense for frame and  
HTMLFrameElement has various features that HTMLIFrameElement does not.



--
Anne van Kesteren
http://annevankesteren.nl/


Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-08 Thread Ian Melven

- Original Message -
From: Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com
To: Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc
Cc: Ian Melven imel...@mozilla.com, whatwg@lists.whatwg.org
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 10:50:22 PM
Subject: Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote:
 - there's also a similar question about whether the object tag will 
 (should) support
 @sandbox when using the form object type=text/html 
 data=something.html (which
 is in the HTML5 spec) - thoughts and opinions also welcome here.

 That's probably a win too.

 Do people actually do this enough that it's worth spending time on?

 My concern here is that it might be confusing that @sandbox works for
 object when it contains a HTML page, but not when it contains a
 plugin.

 That's a good point.  Maybe it would be best on frame but not on object.

i think with the semantics of @sandbox on iframe and plugins, the 
interpretation
of @sandbox in general on object could not help but be confusing - adding a 
case where
it works for HTML doesn't seem to help here. 

so after this discussion, i agree: yes on frame no on object 

thanks
ian



[whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-07 Thread Ian Melven

Hi,

while implementing the IFRAME sandbox attribute, a couple of questions have 
come up :

- although the HTML5 spec deprecates the frame tag, there's been a couple of 
people
asking if frame will support @sandbox - thoughts and opinions here welcome, 
although
this may be 'off topic' if the list is purely concerned with the HTML5 spec, 
please
just let me know if so. 

- there's also a similar question about whether the object tag will (should) 
support
@sandbox when using the form object type=text/html data=something.html 
(which
is in the HTML5 spec) - thoughts and opinions also welcome here. 

thanks !
ian


Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-07 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Ian Melven imel...@mozilla.com wrote:
 while implementing the IFRAME sandbox attribute, a couple of questions have 
 come up :

 - although the HTML5 spec deprecates the frame tag, there's been a couple 
 of people
 asking if frame will support @sandbox - thoughts and opinions here welcome, 
 although
 this may be 'off topic' if the list is purely concerned with the HTML5 spec, 
 please
 just let me know if so.

That seems like a win.  There's very little implementation effort
needed to support that.

 - there's also a similar question about whether the object tag will 
 (should) support
 @sandbox when using the form object type=text/html data=something.html 
 (which
 is in the HTML5 spec) - thoughts and opinions also welcome here.

That's probably a win too.

Adam


Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote:
 - there's also a similar question about whether the object tag will 
 (should) support
 @sandbox when using the form object type=text/html data=something.html 
 (which
 is in the HTML5 spec) - thoughts and opinions also welcome here.

 That's probably a win too.

Do people actually do this enough that it's worth spending time on?

My concern here is that it might be confusing that @sandbox works for
object when it contains a HTML page, but not when it contains a
plugin.

/ Jonas


Re: [whatwg] iframe sandbox, object tag

2011-11-07 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote:
 - there's also a similar question about whether the object tag will 
 (should) support
 @sandbox when using the form object type=text/html 
 data=something.html (which
 is in the HTML5 spec) - thoughts and opinions also welcome here.

 That's probably a win too.

 Do people actually do this enough that it's worth spending time on?

 My concern here is that it might be confusing that @sandbox works for
 object when it contains a HTML page, but not when it contains a
 plugin.

That's a good point.  Maybe it would be best on frame but not on object.

Adam