[Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have Dreamweaver 8. It has been a while since I have been using Dreamweaver so I almost forgot what a superb program it still is. - ( I hope it is not against Wicket ethics to discuss commercial tool$. ) I would like to ask if anyone else is on this list is using Dreamweaver to develop and communicate gui designs to users? If so, has anyone customized and / or extended Dreamweaver to develop and validate Wicket html? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-Wicket-user--Dreamweaver-tf3070690.html#a8535117 Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
[Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have Dreamweaver 8. It has been a while since I have been using Dreamweaver so I almost forgot what a superb program it still is. - ( I hope it is not against Wicket ethics to discuss commercial tool$. ) I would like to ask if anyone else is on this list is using Dreamweaver to develop and communicate gui designs to users? If so, has anyone customized and / or extended Dreamweaver to develop and validate Wicket html? kind regards, nilo de roock -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-Wicket-user--Dreamweaver-tf3070691.html#a8535118 Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
Yeah, Wicket made it possible for us to use dreamweaver again for componentized webpages. Based from my experience, I can't find any usecase to make a Dreamweaver extensions for Wicket. On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have Dreamweaver 8. It has been a while since I have been using Dreamweaver so I almost forgot what a superb program it still is. - ( I hope it is not against Wicket ethics to discuss commercial tool$. ) I would like to ask if anyone else is on this list is using Dreamweaver to develop and communicate gui designs to users? If so, has anyone customized and / or extended Dreamweaver to develop and validate Wicket html? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-Wicket-user--Dreamweaver-tf3070690.html#a8535117 Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
I was just checking if someone has been doing some DW work. It seems no one has. Just thinking out loud whether I should develop something myself ... ( ... ) I agree that a Dreamweaver extension for Wicket may seem useless or overkill if you are a Java developer. Developers prefer vi over DW, I suppose. But then ( Java ) developers usually don't excel in designing websites ( have a look at http://www.csszengarden.com/ to see what designers can do without even touching html, let alone if you give them the freedom to change html as well ). The explanation is probably that designers are better in communicating with end-users than developers are. I strongly propose seperating design ( including coding html and css ) and technical work from architectural design to coding Java. But I am getting off-topic, to the point: a Dreanweaver extension for Wicket. I am thinking of... ( in order of increasing complexity ) #1 The tool should communicate clearly which components the Wicket framework has to offer, what they do and how they should be used. #2 The tool should take care of coding wicket:id attributes everywhere, either real-time or as a sort of pre-compile before handing over to the Java team. #3 The tool should validate code and naming style. #4 There should be an option to temporarily replace data components with dummy data. #5 A utility to "wicket-ize" existing sites. It should be possible to automatically generate the .html part of an existing ( data driven ) website. I am always open to other ideas... I am currently studying Wicket / Databinder as a follow-up of a selection project. The product of my study will be a small site including a set of ( customized ) how to's for developing wicket pages. I'll try to develop a Dreamweaver extension as well covering #1, #2 and if time permits #3 and / or #4. I have to dive into DW but if I remember well there is similar stuff for PHP templating so it shouldn't be too hard. I'll let you know when I have to something which I can show. - nilo de roock Otan wrote: > > Yeah, Wicket made it possible for us to use dreamweaver again for > componentized webpages. Based from my experience, I can't find any usecase > to make a Dreamweaver extensions for Wicket. > > On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have >> Dreamweaver >> 8. It has been a while since I have been using Dreamweaver so I almost >> forgot what a superb program it still is. - ( I hope it is not against >> Wicket ethics to discuss commercial tool$. ) >> >> I would like to ask if anyone else is on this list is using Dreamweaver >> to >> develop and communicate gui designs to users? >> >> If so, has anyone customized and / or extended Dreamweaver to develop and >> validate Wicket html? >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/-Wicket-user--Dreamweaver-tf3070690.html#a8535117 >> Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share >> your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> Wicket-user mailing list >> Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user >> > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Wicket-user mailing list > Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-Wicket-user--Dreamweaver-tf3070690.html#a8559297 Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
Just like what I said, "I can't find any usecase to make a Dreamweaver extensions for Wicket." Who from your team do you expect will use Dreamweaver? The page authors, right? Page authors who are working with the markup concerns only the wicket:id attribute and some wicket tags. Databinder or something? Wicket is not JSF or JSP. The good thing about wicket is that it's so easy to insert wicket components into the markup by putting only the "wicket:id" and some few wicket tags into the wicket markups that make it so Dreamweaver-friendly and page authors-friendly. Just my 2 centavos. On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was just checking if someone has been doing some DW work. It seems no one has. Just thinking out loud whether I should develop something myself ... ( ... ) I agree that a Dreamweaver extension for Wicket may seem useless or overkill if you are a Java developer. Developers prefer vi over DW, I suppose. But then ( Java ) developers usually don't excel in designing websites ( have a look at http://www.csszengarden.com/ to see what designers can do without even touching html, let alone if you give them the freedom to change html as well ). The explanation is probably that designers are better in communicating with end-users than developers are. I strongly propose seperating design ( including coding html and css ) and technical work from architectural design to coding Java. But I am getting off-topic, to the point: a Dreanweaver extension for Wicket. I am thinking of... ( in order of increasing complexity ) #1 The tool should communicate clearly which components the Wicket framework has to offer, what they do and how they should be used. #2 The tool should take care of coding wicket:id attributes everywhere, either real-time or as a sort of pre-compile before handing over to the Java team. #3 The tool should validate code and naming style. #4 There should be an option to temporarily replace data components with dummy data. #5 A utility to "wicket-ize" existing sites. It should be possible to automatically generate the .html part of an existing ( data driven ) website. I am always open to other ideas... I am currently studying Wicket / Databinder as a follow-up of a selection project. The product of my study will be a small site including a set of ( customized ) how to's for developing wicket pages. I'll try to develop a Dreamweaver extension as well covering #1, #2 and if time permits #3 and / or #4. I have to dive into DW but if I remember well there is similar stuff for PHP templating so it shouldn't be too hard. I'll let you know when I have to something which I can show. - nilo de roock Otan wrote: > > Yeah, Wicket made it possible for us to use dreamweaver again for > componentized webpages. Based from my experience, I can't find any usecase > to make a Dreamweaver extensions for Wicket. > > On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have >> Dreamweaver >> 8. It has been a while since I have been using Dreamweaver so I almost >> forgot what a superb program it still is. - ( I hope it is not against >> Wicket ethics to discuss commercial tool$. ) >> >> I would like to ask if anyone else is on this list is using Dreamweaver >> to >> develop and communicate gui designs to users? >> >> If so, has anyone customized and / or extended Dreamweaver to develop and >> validate Wicket html? >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/-Wicket-user--Dreamweaver-tf3070690.html#a8535117 >> Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share >> your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> Wicket-user mailing list >> Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user >> > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourcefor
Re: [Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
Hi Otan, "... The good thing about wicket is that it's so easy to insert wicket components into the markup by putting only the "wicket:id" and some few wicket tags into the wicket markups that make it so Dreamweaver-friendly and page authors-friendly. ..." Exactly, it's -that- simple! And I have a use case so developing an extension won't be difficult. Anybody working on generating most of the wicket code from the html as far as you know? Kind regards, nilo Otan wrote: > > Just like what I said, "I can't find any usecase to make a Dreamweaver > extensions for Wicket." > > Who from your team do you expect will use Dreamweaver? The page authors, > right? Page authors who are working with the markup concerns only the > wicket:id attribute and some wicket tags. Databinder or something? Wicket > is > not JSF or JSP. The good thing about wicket is that it's so easy to insert > wicket components into the markup by putting only the "wicket:id" and some > few wicket tags into the wicket markups that make it so > Dreamweaver-friendly > and page authors-friendly. > > Just my 2 centavos. > > On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> I was just checking if someone has been doing some DW work. It seems no >> one >> has. >> >> Just thinking out loud whether I should develop something myself ... >> >> ( ... ) >> >> I agree that a Dreamweaver extension for Wicket may seem useless or >> overkill >> if you are a Java developer. Developers prefer vi over DW, I suppose. But >> then ( Java ) developers usually don't excel in designing websites ( have >> a >> look at http://www.csszengarden.com/ to see what designers can do without >> even touching html, let alone if you give them the freedom to change html >> as >> well ). The explanation is probably that designers are better in >> communicating with end-users than developers are. >> >> I strongly propose seperating design ( including coding html and css ) >> and >> technical work from architectural design to coding Java. But I am >> getting >> off-topic, to the point: a Dreanweaver extension for Wicket. >> >> I am thinking of... ( in order of increasing complexity ) >> >> #1 The tool should communicate clearly which components the Wicket >> framework >> has to offer, what they do and how they should be used. >> >> #2 The tool should take care of coding wicket:id attributes everywhere, >> either real-time or as a sort of pre-compile before handing over to the >> Java >> team. >> >> #3 The tool should validate code and naming style. >> >> #4 There should be an option to temporarily replace data components with >> dummy data. >> >> #5 A utility to "wicket-ize" existing sites. It should be possible to >> automatically generate the .html part of an existing ( data driven ) >> website. >> >> I am always open to other ideas... >> >> I am currently studying Wicket / Databinder as a follow-up of a selection >> project. The product of my study will be a small site including a set of >> ( >> customized ) how to's for developing wicket pages. I'll try to develop a >> Dreamweaver extension as well covering #1, #2 and if time permits #3 and >> / >> or #4. I have to dive into DW but if I remember well there is similar >> stuff >> for PHP templating so it shouldn't be too hard. >> >> I'll let you know when I have to something which I can show. >> - nilo de roock >> >> >> >> Otan wrote: >> > >> > Yeah, Wicket made it possible for us to use dreamweaver again for >> > componentized webpages. Based from my experience, I can't find any >> usecase >> > to make a Dreamweaver extensions for Wicket. >> > >> > On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have >> >> Dreamweaver >> >> 8. It has been a while since I have been using Dreamweaver so I almost >> >> forgot what a superb program it still is. - ( I hope it is not against >> >> Wicket ethics to discuss commercial tool$. ) >> >> >> >> I would like to ask if anyone else is on this list is using >> Dreamweaver >> >> to >> >> develop and communicate gui designs to users? >> >> >> >> If so, has anyone customized and / or extended Dreamweaver to d
Re: [Wicket-user] Dreamweaver
"Anybody working on generating most of the wicket code from the html as far as you know?" The wicket-oriented Java code contains the presentation logic. A big advantage of Wicket is keeping presentation logic _out_ of the HTML. (HTML is not object oriented, so presentation logic embedded in the HTML -- whether in the form of tag-nestings or scripts -- is difficult to reuse.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nilo.de.roock Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:30 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Dreamweaver Hi Otan, "... The good thing about wicket is that it's so easy to insert wicket components into the markup by putting only the "wicket:id" and some few wicket tags into the wicket markups that make it so Dreamweaver-friendly and page authors-friendly. ..." Exactly, it's -that- simple! And I have a use case so developing an extension won't be difficult. Anybody working on generating most of the wicket code from the html as far as you know? Kind regards, nilo Otan wrote: > > Just like what I said, "I can't find any usecase to make a Dreamweaver > extensions for Wicket." > > Who from your team do you expect will use Dreamweaver? The page > authors, right? Page authors who are working with the markup concerns > only the wicket:id attribute and some wicket tags. Databinder or > something? Wicket is not JSF or JSP. The good thing about wicket is > that it's so easy to insert wicket components into the markup by > putting only the "wicket:id" and some few wicket tags into the wicket > markups that make it so Dreamweaver-friendly and page > authors-friendly. > > Just my 2 centavos. > > On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> I was just checking if someone has been doing some DW work. It seems >> no one has. >> >> Just thinking out loud whether I should develop something myself ... >> >> ( ... ) >> >> I agree that a Dreamweaver extension for Wicket may seem useless or >> overkill if you are a Java developer. Developers prefer vi over DW, I >> suppose. But then ( Java ) developers usually don't excel in >> designing websites ( have a look at http://www.csszengarden.com/ to >> see what designers can do without even touching html, let alone if >> you give them the freedom to change html as well ). The explanation >> is probably that designers are better in communicating with end-users >> than developers are. >> >> I strongly propose seperating design ( including coding html and css >> ) and technical work from architectural design to coding Java. But I >> am getting off-topic, to the point: a Dreanweaver extension for >> Wicket. >> >> I am thinking of... ( in order of increasing complexity ) >> >> #1 The tool should communicate clearly which components the Wicket >> framework has to offer, what they do and how they should be used. >> >> #2 The tool should take care of coding wicket:id attributes >> everywhere, either real-time or as a sort of pre-compile before >> handing over to the Java team. >> >> #3 The tool should validate code and naming style. >> >> #4 There should be an option to temporarily replace data components >> with dummy data. >> >> #5 A utility to "wicket-ize" existing sites. It should be possible to >> automatically generate the .html part of an existing ( data driven ) >> website. >> >> I am always open to other ideas... >> >> I am currently studying Wicket / Databinder as a follow-up of a >> selection project. The product of my study will be a small site >> including a set of ( customized ) how to's for developing wicket >> pages. I'll try to develop a Dreamweaver extension as well covering >> #1, #2 and if time permits #3 and / or #4. I have to dive into DW but >> if I remember well there is similar stuff for PHP templating so it >> shouldn't be too hard. >> >> I'll let you know when I have to something which I can show. >> - nilo de roock >> >> >> >> Otan wrote: >> > >> > Yeah, Wicket made it possible for us to use dreamweaver again for >> > componentized webpages. Based from my experience, I can't find any >> usecase >> > to make a Dreamweaver extensions for Wicket. >> > >> > On 24/01/07, nilo.de.roock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Wicket makes coding fun again! I don't have a Mac but I do have >> >&g
