Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Maurice Marrink
Ok, thanks for your input guys, no hard feelings :)
There are indeed workarounds, i just thought it would be an elegant
solution if wicket supported it. But i guess you are right, there are
too many caveats.

Maurice

On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think its time for you to build something that uses aop and get it out of
> > your system :)
>
> Get it out of my system? I'm not exactly recommending AOP as I think
> other solutions would be better.
>
> after(Component c) returning: this(c) && execution(Component.new(..)) 
> {
> System.out.println("constructed component with model " + 
> c.getModel());
> }
>
> Something like that works. I'm sure there's lots of ifs and buts, but
> the point is that it is a possible way out.
>
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> i think its time for you to build something that uses aop and get it out of
> your system :)

Get it out of my system? I'm not exactly recommending AOP as I think
other solutions would be better.

after(Component c) returning: this(c) && execution(Component.new(..)) {
System.out.println("constructed component with model " + 
c.getModel());
}

Something like that works. I'm sure there's lots of ifs and buts, but
the point is that it is a possible way out.

Eelco

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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Sounds to me like you have alternative ways to implement this, for
> instance, construct what's on your page according to what can be
> displayed, throw an auth exception in the page itself (doesn't sound
> like you were doing this generically to start with?) or use an
> intermediate page that functions like a switch. Also, if you really
> want to follow your approach and IComponentInstantiationListener is
> not rich enough, consider using AOP, which should give you all the
> freedom you wish for.


i think its time for you to build something that uses aop and get it out of
your system :)

-igor
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> True you can't do setModel(foo) and expect your instantiation check to
> work. Which imho is perfectly logical if you want to use your model in
> the instantiation check you need to pass it in the constructor.
>
> As for the example
> We have a search page for students, uppon clicking on one of those
> students, you go to a detail page for that student. that page also
> contains several tabs to go to other relevant pages for the student
> (like it's school grades). on these pages we made a quicksearch
> function with contains amongst other things 2 buttons to navigate
> forth and back between the searchresults of the search page, while
> keeping the same view. Suppose i have sufficient rights to see the
> detail pages of all students but only enough rights to see the grades
> of my own students.
>
> So if i make the search wide enough to get all students and then
> select one of my own, going to the grades. That's fine. But if i then
> navigate to another student i am not allowed to see the grades
> (creating a new instance of the grades page in the process) i need to
> know if the page in combination with the student is allowed, because
> the page itself is basically allowed.

Sounds to me like you have alternative ways to implement this, for
instance, construct what's on your page according to what can be
displayed, throw an auth exception in the page itself (doesn't sound
like you were doing this generically to start with?) or use an
intermediate page that functions like a switch. Also, if you really
want to follow your approach and IComponentInstantiationListener is
not rich enough, consider using AOP, which should give you all the
freedom you wish for.

Eelco

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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i am -1 on this

first of all there are already too many exception to this: it wont work if
its a wrap model, it wont work if its icomponentassignedmodel, blah blah
blah.

if i construct my component with new Component("id", foo) and foo is not
null then it is very clumsy that sometimes in the auth strategy it is all of
a sudden null and other times is not even though the exact same line is
executing. i bet a lot of people will be filing bug reports.

also i really wish we would limit passing around instances of not fully
constructed objects to users. we already do it in some places where it is
very strictly necessary, but we should not do this lightly.

i do not wish something like this introduced just to make maurice's life a
little easier, sorry maurice nothing personal.

-igor



On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't think I agree with that.
>
> MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work for
> starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to mention
> the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it would
> just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.
>
> But give us a good example of where using the model to determine an
> access restriction would actually be useful?
>
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Igor Vaynberg
what does your strategy do? it redirects right? you do that with throw new
RestartResponseException - you can do the same from your constructor once
you check your model. it isnt that much "later" that you would fail - only
the init of super hierarchy.

-igor


On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> However besides the benefit of being more efficient it also prevents a
> lot of nasty stuff like throwing custom exceptions / NPE in the page
> constructor or redirecting, which i now have to take into account
> because the page is fully constructed. When the strategy can tell me
> for certain if the page is allowed i would not have to do that.
>
> Maurice
>
> On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Right now i manually need to trigger
> > isActionAuthorized(Component.RENDER); after the component has been
> > fully initialized. I would like to abort as soon as possible.
> >
> > Maurice
> >
> > On 7/18/07, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > cant you test this with the render action check?
> > > that is always done also if the model is changed
> > >
> > > johan
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > True you can't do setModel(foo) and expect your instantiation check
> to
> > > > work. Which imho is perfectly logical if you want to use your model
> in
> > > > the instantiation check you need to pass it in the constructor.
> > > >
> > > > As for the example
> > > > We have a search page for students, uppon clicking on one of those
> > > > students, you go to a detail page for that student. that page also
> > > > contains several tabs to go to other relevant pages for the student
> > > > (like it's school grades). on these pages we made a quicksearch
> > > > function with contains amongst other things 2 buttons to navigate
> > > > forth and back between the searchresults of the search page, while
> > > > keeping the same view. Suppose i have sufficient rights to see the
> > > > detail pages of all students but only enough rights to see the
> grades
> > > > of my own students.
> > > >
> > > > So if i make the search wide enough to get all students and then
> > > > select one of my own, going to the grades. That's fine. But if i
> then
> > > > navigate to another student i am not allowed to see the grades
> > > > (creating a new instance of the grades page in the process) i need
> to
> > > > know if the page in combination with the student is allowed, because
> > > > the page itself is basically allowed.
> > > >
> > > > Maurice
> > > >
> > > > On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I don't think I agree with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work
> for
> > > > > starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to
> mention
> > > > > the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it
> would
> > > > > just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.
> > > > >
> > > > > But give us a good example of where using the model to determine
> an
> > > > > access restriction would actually be useful?
> > > > >
> > > > > Eelco
> > > > >
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Maurice Marrink
However besides the benefit of being more efficient it also prevents a
lot of nasty stuff like throwing custom exceptions / NPE in the page
constructor or redirecting, which i now have to take into account
because the page is fully constructed. When the strategy can tell me
for certain if the page is allowed i would not have to do that.

Maurice

On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right now i manually need to trigger
> isActionAuthorized(Component.RENDER); after the component has been
> fully initialized. I would like to abort as soon as possible.
>
> Maurice
>
> On 7/18/07, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > cant you test this with the render action check?
> > that is always done also if the model is changed
> >
> > johan
> >
> >
> > On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > True you can't do setModel(foo) and expect your instantiation check to
> > > work. Which imho is perfectly logical if you want to use your model in
> > > the instantiation check you need to pass it in the constructor.
> > >
> > > As for the example
> > > We have a search page for students, uppon clicking on one of those
> > > students, you go to a detail page for that student. that page also
> > > contains several tabs to go to other relevant pages for the student
> > > (like it's school grades). on these pages we made a quicksearch
> > > function with contains amongst other things 2 buttons to navigate
> > > forth and back between the searchresults of the search page, while
> > > keeping the same view. Suppose i have sufficient rights to see the
> > > detail pages of all students but only enough rights to see the grades
> > > of my own students.
> > >
> > > So if i make the search wide enough to get all students and then
> > > select one of my own, going to the grades. That's fine. But if i then
> > > navigate to another student i am not allowed to see the grades
> > > (creating a new instance of the grades page in the process) i need to
> > > know if the page in combination with the student is allowed, because
> > > the page itself is basically allowed.
> > >
> > > Maurice
> > >
> > > On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I don't think I agree with that.
> > > >
> > > > MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work for
> > > > starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to mention
> > > > the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it would
> > > > just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.
> > > >
> > > > But give us a good example of where using the model to determine an
> > > > access restriction would actually be useful?
> > > >
> > > > Eelco
> > > >
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Maurice Marrink
Right now i manually need to trigger
isActionAuthorized(Component.RENDER); after the component has been
fully initialized. I would like to abort as soon as possible.

Maurice

On 7/18/07, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> cant you test this with the render action check?
> that is always done also if the model is changed
>
> johan
>
>
> On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > True you can't do setModel(foo) and expect your instantiation check to
> > work. Which imho is perfectly logical if you want to use your model in
> > the instantiation check you need to pass it in the constructor.
> >
> > As for the example
> > We have a search page for students, uppon clicking on one of those
> > students, you go to a detail page for that student. that page also
> > contains several tabs to go to other relevant pages for the student
> > (like it's school grades). on these pages we made a quicksearch
> > function with contains amongst other things 2 buttons to navigate
> > forth and back between the searchresults of the search page, while
> > keeping the same view. Suppose i have sufficient rights to see the
> > detail pages of all students but only enough rights to see the grades
> > of my own students.
> >
> > So if i make the search wide enough to get all students and then
> > select one of my own, going to the grades. That's fine. But if i then
> > navigate to another student i am not allowed to see the grades
> > (creating a new instance of the grades page in the process) i need to
> > know if the page in combination with the student is allowed, because
> > the page itself is basically allowed.
> >
> > Maurice
> >
> > On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I don't think I agree with that.
> > >
> > > MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work for
> > > starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to mention
> > > the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it would
> > > just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.
> > >
> > > But give us a good example of where using the model to determine an
> > > access restriction would actually be useful?
> > >
> > > Eelco
> > >
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Johan Compagner
cant you test this with the render action check?
that is always done also if the model is changed

johan


On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> True you can't do setModel(foo) and expect your instantiation check to
> work. Which imho is perfectly logical if you want to use your model in
> the instantiation check you need to pass it in the constructor.
>
> As for the example
> We have a search page for students, uppon clicking on one of those
> students, you go to a detail page for that student. that page also
> contains several tabs to go to other relevant pages for the student
> (like it's school grades). on these pages we made a quicksearch
> function with contains amongst other things 2 buttons to navigate
> forth and back between the searchresults of the search page, while
> keeping the same view. Suppose i have sufficient rights to see the
> detail pages of all students but only enough rights to see the grades
> of my own students.
>
> So if i make the search wide enough to get all students and then
> select one of my own, going to the grades. That's fine. But if i then
> navigate to another student i am not allowed to see the grades
> (creating a new instance of the grades page in the process) i need to
> know if the page in combination with the student is allowed, because
> the page itself is basically allowed.
>
> Maurice
>
> On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't think I agree with that.
> >
> > MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work for
> > starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to mention
> > the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it would
> > just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.
> >
> > But give us a good example of where using the model to determine an
> > access restriction would actually be useful?
> >
> > Eelco
> >
> >
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Maurice Marrink
True you can't do setModel(foo) and expect your instantiation check to
work. Which imho is perfectly logical if you want to use your model in
the instantiation check you need to pass it in the constructor.

As for the example
We have a search page for students, uppon clicking on one of those
students, you go to a detail page for that student. that page also
contains several tabs to go to other relevant pages for the student
(like it's school grades). on these pages we made a quicksearch
function with contains amongst other things 2 buttons to navigate
forth and back between the searchresults of the search page, while
keeping the same view. Suppose i have sufficient rights to see the
detail pages of all students but only enough rights to see the grades
of my own students.

So if i make the search wide enough to get all students and then
select one of my own, going to the grades. That's fine. But if i then
navigate to another student i am not allowed to see the grades
(creating a new instance of the grades page in the process) i need to
know if the page in combination with the student is allowed, because
the page itself is basically allowed.

Maurice

On 7/18/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think I agree with that.
>
> MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work for
> starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to mention
> the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it would
> just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.
>
> But give us a good example of where using the model to determine an
> access restriction would actually be useful?
>
> Eelco
>
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I don't think I agree with that.

MyComponent c = new MyComponent(); c.setModel(foo) wouldn't work for
starters, and you can even set models mutliple times. Not to mention
the other problems you mentioned in this thread. And finally, it would
just invite people to go crazy with this functionality.

But give us a good example of where using the model to determine an
access restriction would actually be useful?

Eelco

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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Maurice Marrink
After having Johan explain to me that It is only the
IComponentAssignedModel that will cause serious problems and models
like CompoundPropertyModel will work just fine. And since we do not
use those.
I have no objection to this restriction.

Maurice

On 7/18/07, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i can see the value of having the model in the authorizationstrategy
> this is pretty handy. But the problem is with wrapmodels  because we
> just can't give those to the outside world withing a constructor of a
> component
> because we have a big warning in the wrapOnAssigment(Component) call
> that in that method you shouldn't really touch the component because it is
> not
> fully constructed yet. But we can't have it that the component is still not
> fully constructed
> in the getObject() call of the wrapped model.
>
> So i am +1 for such a change except that the model param will be null of not
> given and
> null if it is wrapped model.
>
> johan
>
>
> On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > In my project we often have the case where a user initially is allowed
> > to construct a certain component (pages mostly) but whether he really
> > can depends on the model of the page.
> > So my request / suggestion is to enhance IAuthorizationStrategy with
> > the following method isInstantiationAuthorized(Class, IModel). whether
> > this methods is made available next to
> > isInstantiationAuthorized(Class) or replaces it is not important.
> >
> > As far as i can see the following changes need to be made
> > -Application.notifyComponentInstantiationListeners needs to be
> > upgraded to receive the model to, or the component should not call
> > notify untill the model has been set on the component (which happens
> > on the next line)
> > -the default listener needs to pass the model to the strategy.
> >
> > For regular models this should not be a problem but IWrapModels might
> > have a problem when accessing anything else from the component but the
> > id. Not passing the wrappedmodel but the original model is imo not an
> > option because the main point of passing the model is to be able to
> > use the getObject method.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Maurice
> >
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Re: [Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Johan Compagner
i can see the value of having the model in the authorizationstrategy
this is pretty handy. But the problem is with wrapmodels  because we
just can't give those to the outside world withing a constructor of a
component
because we have a big warning in the wrapOnAssigment(Component) call
that in that method you shouldn't really touch the component because it is
not
fully constructed yet. But we can't have it that the component is still not
fully constructed
in the getObject() call of the wrapped model.

So i am +1 for such a change except that the model param will be null of not
given and
null if it is wrapped model.

johan


On 7/18/07, Maurice Marrink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> In my project we often have the case where a user initially is allowed
> to construct a certain component (pages mostly) but whether he really
> can depends on the model of the page.
> So my request / suggestion is to enhance IAuthorizationStrategy with
> the following method isInstantiationAuthorized(Class, IModel). whether
> this methods is made available next to
> isInstantiationAuthorized(Class) or replaces it is not important.
>
> As far as i can see the following changes need to be made
> -Application.notifyComponentInstantiationListeners needs to be
> upgraded to receive the model to, or the component should not call
> notify untill the model has been set on the component (which happens
> on the next line)
> -the default listener needs to pass the model to the strategy.
>
> For regular models this should not be a problem but IWrapModels might
> have a problem when accessing anything else from the component but the
> id. Not passing the wrappedmodel but the original model is imo not an
> option because the main point of passing the model is to be able to
> use the getObject method.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Maurice
>
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[Wicket-user] feature suggestion component instantiation

2007-07-18 Thread Maurice Marrink
Hi,
In my project we often have the case where a user initially is allowed
to construct a certain component (pages mostly) but whether he really
can depends on the model of the page.
So my request / suggestion is to enhance IAuthorizationStrategy with
the following method isInstantiationAuthorized(Class, IModel). whether
this methods is made available next to
isInstantiationAuthorized(Class) or replaces it is not important.

As far as i can see the following changes need to be made
-Application.notifyComponentInstantiationListeners needs to be
upgraded to receive the model to, or the component should not call
notify untill the model has been set on the component (which happens
on the next line)
-the default listener needs to pass the model to the strategy.

For regular models this should not be a problem but IWrapModels might
have a problem when accessing anything else from the component but the
id. Not passing the wrappedmodel but the original model is imo not an
option because the main point of passing the model is to be able to
use the getObject method.

What do you think?

Maurice

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